Coronavirus COVID-19

[Gil Dobie]

That's not a meme, that's a tweet, boomer.

Do the passports really have anything to do with covid numbers.

[kalm]

That's not a meme, that's a tweet, boomer.

Same diff.

[GannonFan]

That's not a meme, that's a tweet, boomer.

Do the passports really have anything to do with covid numbers.

They're supposed to. I thought the idea behind vaccination passports was to keep unvaccinated people out of certain venues, events, social gatherings, etc, where proximity to others over an extended period of time could lead to increased risk of not only just infection in general, but potentially worse outcomes as well.

[Gil Dobie]

Do the passports really have anything to do with covid numbers.

They're supposed to. I thought the idea behind vaccination passports was to keep unvaccinated people out of certain venues, events, social gatherings, etc, where proximity to others over an extended period of time could lead to increased risk of not only just infection in general, but potentially worse outcomes as well.

I think it has more to do with the number of active cases of covid and where the curve is on these active cases at each point in time. NY currently has over 400,000 active cases, Florida just over 100,000 active cases. I would expect the new daily average to be higher in NY than in Florida, passports or no passports.

[BDKJMU]

Another Biden vaccine mandate slapdown by the fed courts.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/judge- ... 021-11-29/

[GannonFan]

They're supposed to. I thought the idea behind vaccination passports was to keep unvaccinated people out of certain venues, events, social gatherings, etc, where proximity to others over an extended period of time could lead to increased risk of not only just infection in general, but potentially worse outcomes as well.

I think it has more to do with the number of active cases of covid and where the curve is on these active cases at each point in time. NY currently has over 400,000 active cases, Florida just over 100,000 active cases. I would expect the new daily average to be higher in NY than in Florida, passports or no passports.

You're not making any sense. Those vaccine passports where in place before the active cases got as high as they are, so the same point (i.e. in spite of vaccine passports COVID transmission continues at the same pace as they would without the vaccine passport policy) is still valid. You can't just draw an arbitrary line at some point in time and just ignore what came before it.

[GannonFan]

Another Biden vaccine mandate slapdown by the fed courts.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/judge- ... 021-11-29/

This one is now national where the one on Monday was just involving the states in that circuit court. The way the opinions read make it seem very unlikely Biden's current approach, on either medical staff or one workers in places with 100 or more all being required to be vaccinated, has any chance of being approved and implemented.

[LeadBolt]

It is interesting that the US, with more vaccinated people than other countries and lockdowns and mask mandates has more cases and deaths than other countries.

Also interesting is that it appears that over relatively like time periods there will be more Covid deaths under Biden than Trump, with more vaccinated people.

Robert F Kennedy Jr lays out an interesting argument in his book on Fauci (I haven’t finished it yet) on the effectiveness of HCL and or CL with zinc and arthirimicin in early stages treatment in other countries as being a difference maker and how Fauci submarined tests here by making them late stage trials.


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[Gil Dobie]

I think it has more to do with the number of active cases of covid and where the curve is on these active cases at each point in time. NY currently has over 400,000 active cases, Florida just over 100,000 active cases. I would expect the new daily average to be higher in NY than in Florida, passports or no passports.

You're not making any sense. Those vaccine passports where in place before the active cases got as high as they are, so the same point (i.e. in spite of vaccine passports COVID transmission continues at the same pace as they would without the vaccine passport policy) is still valid. You can't just draw an arbitrary line at some point in time and just ignore what came before it.

I am saying the Covid cases are cyclical. And the passports have very little affect on the numbers.

[SeattleGriz]

It is interesting that the US, with more vaccinated people than other countries and lockdowns and mask mandates has more cases and deaths than other countries.

Also interesting is that it appears that over relatively like time periods there will be more Covid deaths under Biden than Trump, with more vaccinated people.

Robert F Kennedy Jr lays out an interesting argument in his book on Fauci (I haven’t finished it yet) on the effectiveness of HCL and or CL with zinc and arthirimicin in early stages treatment in other countries as being a difference maker and how Fauci submarined tests here by making them late stage trials.


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I see two main factors contributing to our condition. The first is that we are a very sedentary and overweight population with multiple comorbidities. The second is our overall science illiteracy. While I understand not everyone cares for science, the lack of literacy has led many to rely completely on groups that make money for a living and don't really care about our well being. There is simply no ability for the majority of the people to evaluate statements commanding them to comply.

My father is a perfect example of my second factor. He thinks if he wears his mask, it will protect him from getting COVID. He is a total germaphobe, but has the poorest habits for someone so worried. Constantly touching his eyes, nose and mouth with filthy hands. He has no clue, but does EVERYTHING he has been scared into doing.

[GannonFan]

It is interesting that the US, with more vaccinated people than other countries and lockdowns and mask mandates has more cases and deaths than other countries.

Also interesting is that it appears that over relatively like time periods there will be more Covid deaths under Biden than Trump, with more vaccinated people.

Robert F Kennedy Jr lays out an interesting argument in his book on Fauci (I haven’t finished it yet) on the effectiveness of HCL and or CL with zinc and arthirimicin in early stages treatment in other countries as being a difference maker and how Fauci submarined tests here by making them late stage trials.


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I see two main factors contributing to our condition. The first is that we are a very sedentary and overweight population with multiple comorbidities. The second is our overall science illiteracy. While I understand not everyone cares for science, the lack of literacy has led many to rely completely on groups that make money for a living and don't really care about our well being. There is simply no ability for the majority of the people to evaluate statements commanding them to comply.

My father is a perfect example of my second factor. He thinks if he wears his mask, it will protect him from getting COVID. He is a total germaphobe, but has the poorest habits for someone so worried. Constantly touching his eyes, nose and mouth with filthy hands. He has no clue, but does EVERYTHING he has been scared into doing.

I think we may have also had a comparably old population too - that, more than anything else, has been an indicator of COVID mortalities. Even if you discount for the ones Cuomo sacrificed in NY.

[Ibanez]

I'm over COVID and masks mandates. At this point, you're either vaccinated or you aren't. You either don't understand or don't care enough about public health to take it seriously and/or you're listening to snake oil salesmen tell you can pray it away (and then look the other way when they die of COVID.) Let's get on with our lives and get back to normal.

If the government is going to mandate the vaccine then make it official like all the other government mandated vaccines we have had to deal with since the moment we were all born. It's time to fish or cut bait.

Either way - let's move on to more important things like the Supply Chain and Lindsey Lohan's upcoming nuptials.

[GannonFan]

I'm over COVID and masks mandates. At this point, you're either vaccinated or you aren't. You either don't understand or don't care enough about public health to take it seriously and/or you're listening to snake oil salesmen tell you can pray it away (and then look the other way when they die of COVID.) Let's get on with our lives and get back to normal.

If the government is going to mandate the vaccine then make it official like all the other government mandated vaccines we have had to deal with since the moment we were all born. It's time to fish or cut bait.

Either way - let's move on to more important things like the Supply Chain and Lindsey Lohan's upcoming nuptials.

I kinda feel this way too. Everyone's been given the choice if they wanted to vaccinate or not, so at this point, let's move on. As an aside, what government mandated vaccines are there, other than the ones that states (I believe it's a state action) have in place for schools inside their states? Do homeschool kids need to be vaccinated for all of those things? Never thought about it myself, but maybe that's why there are so many homeschoolers, their parents didn't want them to get one or several of the mandated vaccines?

[LeadBolt]

I'm over COVID and masks mandates. At this point, you're either vaccinated or you aren't. You either don't understand or don't care enough about public health to take it seriously and/or you're listening to snake oil salesmen tell you can pray it away (and then look the other way when they die of COVID.) Let's get on with our lives and get back to normal.

If the government is going to mandate the vaccine then make it official like all the other government mandated vaccines we have had to deal with since the moment we were all born. It's time to fish or cut bait.

Either way - let's move on to more important things like the Supply Chain and Lindsey Lohan's upcoming nuptials.

I kinda feel this way too. Everyone's been given the choice if they wanted to vaccinate or not, so at this point, let's move on. As an aside, what government mandated vaccines are there, other than the ones that states (I believe it's a state action) have in place for schools inside their states? Do homeschool kids need to be vaccinated for all of those things? Never thought about it myself, but maybe that's why there are so many homeschoolers, their parents didn't want them to get one or several of the mandated vaccines?

I agree on moving on, but the left is fixated on the total controlling of behavior of everyone, imho.

Individualism infuriates them.


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[Ibanez]

I'm over COVID and masks mandates. At this point, you're either vaccinated or you aren't. You either don't understand or don't care enough about public health to take it seriously and/or you're listening to snake oil salesmen tell you can pray it away (and then look the other way when they die of COVID.) Let's get on with our lives and get back to normal.

If the government is going to mandate the vaccine then make it official like all the other government mandated vaccines we have had to deal with since the moment we were all born. It's time to fish or cut bait.

Either way - let's move on to more important things like the Supply Chain and Lindsey Lohan's upcoming nuptials.

I kinda feel this way too. Everyone's been given the choice if they wanted to vaccinate or not, so at this point, let's move on. As an aside, what government mandated vaccines are there, other than the ones that states (I believe it's a state action) have in place for schools inside their states? Do homeschool kids need to be vaccinated for all of those things? Never thought about it myself, but maybe that's why there are so many homeschoolers, their parents didn't want them to get one or several of the mandated vaccines?

You've got it - there are already government mandated vaccines that we've been dealing with and, up until now, we laughed at the anti-vaxxers. Either add the COVID vaccine to the list or not. Either way - we've had almost 12 months of vaccines. If you haven't gotten it yet, then that's your journey. Good luck. But you're opening yourself up to pain via loss wages, access to benefits, services, etc.... Don't like it - take it up with the businesses requiring it and the government. I bought tix last night for a Foo Fighters concert and I'll have to show proof of vaccination. I can participate in society.


RE homeschooling: That's why we homeschooled last year (well, one reason. MrsCCU was pretty much set on homeschooling anyway). It worked out well and LilCCU went into the 1st grade reading at a 2nd grade level and pretty far ahead in terms of math abilities.

Anecdotally -
My family is very conservative. My pro-Trump, MAGA brothers are all for vaccine mandates. Which is surprising.

Spoiler: show

One works in healthcare sales, has a medical background and the other works in Defense. They see it as necessary to safeguard their families and themselves. They also trust science.

My brother in law is more middle of the road. He's a partner at an engineering firm and is stressed and livid at those people who either aren't vaccinated OR refuse to sign a waiver b/c it's costing the firm numerous government contracts PLUS it's hurting the company as a whole. I was with him over Thanksgiving and he's about to lose 50 people b/c they won't get vaxxed or sign a waiver accepting the risk (which still makes no sense).

[Ibanez]

I kinda feel this way too. Everyone's been given the choice if they wanted to vaccinate or not, so at this point, let's move on. As an aside, what government mandated vaccines are there, other than the ones that states (I believe it's a state action) have in place for schools inside their states? Do homeschool kids need to be vaccinated for all of those things? Never thought about it myself, but maybe that's why there are so many homeschoolers, their parents didn't want them to get one or several of the mandated vaccines?

I agree on moving on, but the left is fixated on the total controlling of behavior of everyone, imho.

Individualism infuriates them.


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Seriously? They both are. Show me the individualism in the GOP with the hero worship. I'll wait b/c it's not there.



Thinking the Right doesn't try to control the behavior of others is comical.

[SeattleGriz]

I'm over COVID and masks mandates. At this point, you're either vaccinated or you aren't. You either don't understand or don't care enough about public health to take it seriously and/or you're listening to snake oil salesmen tell you can pray it away (and then look the other way when they die of COVID.) Let's get on with our lives and get back to normal.

If the government is going to mandate the vaccine then make it official like all the other government mandated vaccines we have had to deal with since the moment we were all born. It's time to fish or cut bait.

Either way - let's move on to more important things like the Supply Chain and Lindsey Lohan's upcoming nuptials.

A little broad brushed and overly dramatic, but I agree there are a large majority of Americans with multiple comorbidities that should seriously think about getting vaccinated. One major issue is we only have the 3 NEW vaccines, while there are others that are more traditional out there we don't have access to. You want to increase uptake, then let the whole attenuated virus vaccines or even the non-genetic vaccines into America.

[UNI88]

I kinda feel this way too. Everyone's been given the choice if they wanted to vaccinate or not, so at this point, let's move on. As an aside, what government mandated vaccines are there, other than the ones that states (I believe it's a state action) have in place for schools inside their states? Do homeschool kids need to be vaccinated for all of those things? Never thought about it myself, but maybe that's why there are so many homeschoolers, their parents didn't want them to get one or several of the mandated vaccines?

You've got it - there are already government mandated vaccines that we've been dealing with and, up until now, we laughed at the anti-vaxxers. Either add the COVID vaccine to the list or not. Either way - we've had almost 12 months of vaccines. If you haven't gotten it yet, then that's your journey. Good luck. But you're opening yourself up to pain via loss wages, access to benefits, services, etc.... Don't like it - take it up with the businesses requiring it and the government. I bought tix last night for a Foo Fighters concert and I'll have to show proof of vaccination. I can participate in society.

RE homeschooling: That's why we homeschooled last year (well, one reason. MrsCCU was pretty much set on homeschooling anyway). It worked out well and LilCCU went into the 1st grade reading at a 2nd grade level and pretty far ahead in terms of math abilities.

Anecdotally -
My family is very conservative. My pro-Trump, MAGA brothers are all for vaccine mandates. Which is surprising.

Spoiler: show

One works in healthcare sales, has a medical background and the other works in Defense. They see it as necessary to safeguard their families and themselves. They also trust science.

My brother in law is more middle of the road. He's a partner at an engineering firm and is stressed and livid at those people who either aren't vaccinated OR refuse to sign a waiver b/c it's costing the firm numerous government contracts PLUS it's hurting the company as a whole. I was with him over Thanksgiving and he's about to lose 50 people b/c they won't get vaxxed or sign a waiver accepting the risk (which still makes no sense).

They won't get vaxxed and they won't sign a waiver stating that they accept the risks of working while unvaxxed? They're

[AZGrizFan]

I agree on moving on, but the left is fixated on the total controlling of behavior of everyone, imho.

Individualism infuriates them.


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Seriously? They both are. Show me the individualism in the GOP with the hero worship. I'll wait b/c it's not there.



Thinking the Right doesn't try to control the behavior of others is comical.

What’s comical is thinking that they’re in any way similar.

[UNI88]

Seriously? They both are. Show me the individualism in the GOP with the hero worship. I'll wait b/c it's not there.

Thinking the Right doesn't try to control the behavior of others is comical.

What’s comical is thinking that they’re in any way similar.

The extremes are mirror images of each other in a lot of ways.

Are you going to argue that MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, Gosar, etc. are better than AOChe, Omar, Pressley, Tlaib, Bowman, Bush, Waters, etc.?

MTG is pushing a MAGAt purity test that could cost the GOP votes in 2022 and 2024. Loyalty to the cause (Trump for her) is more important than winning elections. I don't know about you but she definitely reminds me of AOChe.

[SeattleGriz]

Is this a good time to discuss Original Antigenic Sin and Antibody Dependent Enhancement?

[SeattleGriz]

What’s comical is thinking that they’re in any way similar.

The extremes are mirror images of each other in a lot of ways.

Are you going to argue that MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, Gosar, etc. are better than AOChe, Omar, Pressley, Tlaib, Bowman, Bush, Waters, etc.?

MTG is pushing a MAGAt purity test that could cost the GOP votes in 2022 and 2024. Loyalty to the cause (Trump for her) is more important than winning elections. I don't know about you but she definitely reminds me of AOChe.

I don't pay much attention to the political pissing matches, but I see one side supporting a "we are all in this together" and another selecting individual groups for vilification.

[AZGrizFan]

What’s comical is thinking that they’re in any way similar.

The extremes are mirror images of each other in a lot of ways.

Are you going to argue that MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, Gosar, etc. are better than AOChe, Omar, Pressley, Tlaib, Bowman, Bush, Waters, etc.?

MTG is pushing a MAGAt purity test that could cost the GOP votes in 2022 and 2024. Loyalty to the cause (Trump for her) is more important than winning elections. I don't know about you but she definitely reminds me of AOChe.

He’s talking ‘left’ and ‘right’. You’re talking “extremes”. Those are two different groups, in my mind. Yes, both extremes are pushing purity tests. But in reality, so are mainstream democrats. Whereas, mainstream conservatives do not.

[UNI88]

The extremes are mirror images of each other in a lot of ways.

Are you going to argue that MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, Gosar, etc. are better than AOChe, Omar, Pressley, Tlaib, Bowman, Bush, Waters, etc.?

MTG is pushing a MAGAt purity test that could cost the GOP votes in 2022 and 2024. Loyalty to the cause (Trump for her) is more important than winning elections. I don't know about you but she definitely reminds me of AOChe.

I don't pay much attention to the political pissing matches, but I see one side supporting a "we are all in this together" and another selecting individual groups for vilification.

I don't see either side supporting a "we are all in this together" approach. Dissenting opinions are not tolerated by either extreme.

Are you going to tell me that Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Tim Rice, etc. weren't vilified? The right vilifies BLM while ignoring any legitimate grievances they might have just like the left vilifies law enforcement while ignoring the great number of positive things they accomplish.

They are mirror images of each other.

[UNI88]

The extremes are mirror images of each other in a lot of ways.

Are you going to argue that MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, Gosar, etc. are better than AOChe, Omar, Pressley, Tlaib, Bowman, Bush, Waters, etc.?

MTG is pushing a MAGAt purity test that could cost the GOP votes in 2022 and 2024. Loyalty to the cause (Trump for her) is more important than winning elections. I don't know about you but she definitely reminds me of AOChe.

He’s talking ‘left’ and ‘right’. You’re talking “extremes”. Those are two different groups, in my mind. Yes, both extremes are pushing purity tests. But in reality, so are mainstream democrats. Whereas, mainstream conservatives do not.

Tell me how Kevin McCarthy isn't enabling faux-conservative extremists like Pelosi enables illiberal extremists.