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∞∞∞ wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:00 pm
Winterborn wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:58 pm

I believe the ticket and the dress were donated.

But the irony is that AOC, a self-touted champion of the poor and an individual that believes in the idea that everybody should be on a monetarily equal playing field, attends an event that only the very rich can attend, in a dress that costs more than most people clear after taxes in 4+ months.

She used to event to support her "message" in a way that built up her as an individual more. She could of conducted a charity event (I am sure the Met would of been more than happy to accommodate the action due to the positive publicity) that auctioned off the event and a dress to the cause AOC has publicly supported (helping the poor). But she decided to follow in the very socialist and capitalistic tradition of looking out for number 1, herself.
Well it's kinda unfortunate that we need to have these rich people events when you know...we could raise taxes to better support our cultural institutions. In this specific case though, that's on New York City's politicians.
AOC is also a politician and should understand optics. How much do you want to bet that AOC had a problem with Melania's " I don't care" jacket? It's all about optics and going to a wealthy-only party where tickets are $35k and to actually sit at a table is $200k wearing a dress that says to tax the very people you are rubbing elbows with isn't about bravery and doesn't advance your cause to tax them. It takes away from your argument and positions you as a hypocrite. A decent PR person should've told her that if she wants to wear the dress....don't do it at glamour party for rich people.

Besides, we don't need to raise taxes. We pay enough already. We NEED to cut spending. We NEED to trim the budget and do away with wasteful spending. The IRS collected $3.5T last year.

$3B is wasted on vacated or under-used fed properties.
How much money would be saved if we tighten Medicare payments?
Both Presidents Obama and Trump wanted to reduce/eliminate the CDBG which could save about $3.5B/yr. Congress said no.
Quit making A1 Tanks - the Army doesn't want them but Congress won't stop production b/c it'll cost jobs.

We could save billions and billions each year but we won't. I get it - no Senator/Rep wants to vote to take $$ out of their constituents pockets so they'll vote for a wasteful program while at the same time complain about wasteful spending. We won't b/c we're short sighted and our politicians don't really care about what the next 20-40 years will look like since most of them will either be dead, dying or entering retirement with a fat pension and MILLIONS of $$$ made by their gov't contacts. Another thing...to actually SOLVE the problem will require effort, sacrifice, compromise by the parties and the population and that just isn't America. American's aren't going to voluntarily hurt themselves today to reap the benefits tomorrow.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:14 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:00 pm

Well it's kinda unfortunate that we need to have these rich people events when you know...we could raise taxes to better support our cultural institutions. In this specific case though, that's on New York City's politicians.
AOC is also a politician and should understand optics. How much do you want to bet that AOC had a problem with Melania's " I don't care" jacket? It's all about optics and going to a wealthy-only party where tickets are $35k and to actually sit at a table is $200k wearing a dress that says to tax the very people you are rubbing elbows with isn't about bravery and doesn't advance your cause to tax them. It takes away from your argument and positions you as a hypocrite. A decent PR person should've told her that if she wants to wear the dress....don't do it at glamour party for rich people.

Besides, we don't need to raise taxes. We pay enough already. We NEED to cut spending. We NEED to trim the budget and do away with wasteful spending. The IRS collected $3.5T last year.

$3B is wasted on vacated or under-used fed properties.
How much money would be saved if we tighten Medicare payments?
Both Presidents Obama and Trump wanted to reduce/eliminate the CDBG which could save about $3.5B/yr. Congress said no.
Quit making A1 Tanks - the Army doesn't want them but Congress won't stop production b/c it'll cost jobs.

We could save billions and billions each year but we won't. I get it - no Senator/Rep wants to vote to take $$ out of their constituents pockets so they'll vote for a wasteful program while at the same time complain about wasteful spending. We won't b/c we're short sighted and our politicians don't really care about what the next 20-40 years will look like since most of them will either be dead, dying or entering retirement with a fat pension and MILLIONS of $$$ made by their gov't contacts. Another thing...to actually SOLVE the problem will require effort, sacrifice, compromise by the parties and the population and that just isn't America. American's aren't going to voluntarily hurt themselves today to reap the benefits tomorrow.
Good post. :nod:
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:14 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:00 pm

Well it's kinda unfortunate that we need to have these rich people events when you know...we could raise taxes to better support our cultural institutions. In this specific case though, that's on New York City's politicians.
AOC is also a politician and should understand optics. How much do you want to bet that AOC had a problem with Melania's " I don't care" jacket? It's all about optics and going to a wealthy-only party where tickets are $35k and to actually sit at a table is $200k wearing a dress that says to tax the very people you are rubbing elbows with isn't about bravery and doesn't advance your cause to tax them. It takes away from your argument and positions you as a hypocrite. A decent PR person should've told her that if she wants to wear the dress....don't do it at glamour party for rich people.

Besides, we don't need to raise taxes. We pay enough already. We NEED to cut spending. We NEED to trim the budget and do away with wasteful spending. The IRS collected $3.5T last year.

$3B is wasted on vacated or under-used fed properties.
How much money would be saved if we tighten Medicare payments?
Both Presidents Obama and Trump wanted to reduce/eliminate the CDBG which could save about $3.5B/yr. Congress said no.
Quit making A1 Tanks - the Army doesn't want them but Congress won't stop production b/c it'll cost jobs.

We could save billions and billions each year but we won't. I get it - no Senator/Rep wants to vote to take $$ out of their constituents pockets so they'll vote for a wasteful program while at the same time complain about wasteful spending. We won't b/c we're short sighted and our politicians don't really care about what the next 20-40 years will look like since most of them will either be dead, dying or entering retirement with a fat pension and MILLIONS of $$$ made by their gov't contacts. Another thing...to actually SOLVE the problem will require effort, sacrifice, compromise by the parties and the population and that just isn't America. American's aren't going to voluntarily hurt themselves today to reap the benefits tomorrow.
I thought it was great optics, and a perfect place to send out a message and create some controversy. (I mean a group of men on a football forum are still bringing it up one week later). Obviously she knows her constituency and audience.

And we need to raise taxes AND cut spending.

"I don't care" jacket at a place of immense human suffering is not the same as a fundraiser for an important, cultural, and public institution which serves the general public. Her job is to support the Met and fundraisers are a part of it.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:24 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:14 am
AOC is also a politician and should understand optics. How much do you want to bet that AOC had a problem with Melania's " I don't care" jacket? It's all about optics and going to a wealthy-only party where tickets are $35k and to actually sit at a table is $200k wearing a dress that says to tax the very people you are rubbing elbows with isn't about bravery and doesn't advance your cause to tax them. It takes away from your argument and positions you as a hypocrite. A decent PR person should've told her that if she wants to wear the dress....don't do it at glamour party for rich people.

Besides, we don't need to raise taxes. We pay enough already. We NEED to cut spending. We NEED to trim the budget and do away with wasteful spending. The IRS collected $3.5T last year.

$3B is wasted on vacated or under-used fed properties.
How much money would be saved if we tighten Medicare payments?
Both Presidents Obama and Trump wanted to reduce/eliminate the CDBG which could save about $3.5B/yr. Congress said no.
Quit making A1 Tanks - the Army doesn't want them but Congress won't stop production b/c it'll cost jobs.

We could save billions and billions each year but we won't. I get it - no Senator/Rep wants to vote to take $$ out of their constituents pockets so they'll vote for a wasteful program while at the same time complain about wasteful spending. We won't b/c we're short sighted and our politicians don't really care about what the next 20-40 years will look like since most of them will either be dead, dying or entering retirement with a fat pension and MILLIONS of $$$ made by their gov't contacts. Another thing...to actually SOLVE the problem will require effort, sacrifice, compromise by the parties and the population and that just isn't America. American's aren't going to voluntarily hurt themselves today to reap the benefits tomorrow.
I thought it was great optics, and a perfect place to send out a message and create some controversy. (I mean a group of men on a football forum are still bringing it up one week later). Obviously she knows her constituency and audience.

And we need to raise taxes AND cut spending.
Why raise more money? We have enough. Let's cut the bill first, rebalance the allotment before we raise MORE money.
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Meanwhile, in Denmark…
On Sept. 10, Danish authorities lifted all pandemic restrictions and pronounced that covid-19 is no longer a “critical threat” in the country. Vaccination rates are high — 86 percent of all eligible citizens 12 and older have received at least one shot, and 95 percent of people 50 and older are fully vaccinated.

As part of Denmark’s largest behavioral covid-19 research project (the HOPE project), we surveyed more than 400,000 individuals in Denmark and seven other countries. Our findings suggest that citizens’ high and stable trust in their health authorities has been a crucial factor in Denmark’s success. This trust, shown in the figure below, encouraged high vaccination rates and the successful implementation of key policies such as mass testing and coronavirus passports.

Over 90 percent of Danes trust the national health authorities, our survey data revealed. By last fall, over 80 percent of the eligible population was willing to get an approved vaccine, compared to less than 50 percent in the United States. While starting with high levels of trust certainly helps, sustaining this trust could be a challenge, especially if authorities may be tempted to promote vaccines that prove less effective or more risky than others. Our research shows that in these situations, transparent communication about all features of vaccines — including the negative ones — is key to sustain trust, even if in the short run it reduces vaccine acceptance.

“If the health authorities advise people like me to get an approved vaccine against the coronavirus, I will follow their advice.” Figure shows proportion of respondents answering “completely agree” or “somewhat agree.” (N = 47,366)
This finding highlights that trust between citizens and the authorities ideally runs both ways, as authorities need to trust that citizens can weather bad news and still make responsible decisions. President Donald Trump later admitted to intentionally downplaying the coronavirus. In contrast, Danish authorities were — after a slow start — frank about the severity and the uncertainties of the crisis. They were also candid about the potential side effects of some vaccines and in March made the decision to suspend the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine. The health authorities argued that with the most vulnerable already vaccinated, and with the epidemic well under control, even the rare side-effects of AstraZeneca vaccine posed a larger threat to Danes than the virus itself.

Denmark initially paused the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine and later removed both the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines from the public vaccine program, donating 3 million spare vaccines to developing countries. This prompted a delay in the otherwise efficient vaccine rollout for several weeks.
In the meantime, a core part of the solution to keep the virus under control was mass testing. At the peak, in the spring of 2021, Denmark performed 4 million tests (75 per 100 citizens) a week. And Danish authorities promoted compliance with testing and other covid-19 guidelines as a moral obligation — to put it simply, as the right thing to do for each other, building upon the collective approach to beating the pandemic.
Moralized issues can backfire and lead to conflict, which can easily spiral into shaming and condemnation from both sides. Despite their high levels of support for the government’s covid-19 policies, Danes did not appear to resort to blaming and shaming to keep each other in line. In other words, most people followed the advice of the authorities and didn’t take it upon themselves to police others. Indeed, our data shows that the support for government policies was so high that most of those who voted against the governing parties in the last election still thought the government was taking the necessary steps to handle the coronavirus.
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Yeah, the data is still coming in but it seems like the ~85% vaccination rate is where things settle down with this particular virus. Not a lot of nations have reached that threshold, but 85%-90% is what we typically see for other viruses when it comes to herd immunity.

There's not enough data from Denmark or anywhere to say they've reached herd immunity, but things look good.

It's as if medicine rooted in science works. Maybe one day the US will get there...
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∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:00 am Yeah, the data is still coming in but it seems like the ~85% vaccination rate is where things settle down with this particular virus. Not a lot of nations have reached that threshold, but 85%-90% is what we typically see for other viruses when it comes to herd immunity.

There's not enough data from Denmark or anywhere to say they've reached herd immunity, but things look good.

It's as if medicine rooted in science works. Maybe one day the US will get there...
We’re probably already above 85% if you include natural immunity.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:16 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:00 am Yeah, the data is still coming in but it seems like the ~85% vaccination rate is where things settle down with this particular virus. Not a lot of nations have reached that threshold, but 85%-90% is what we typically see for other viruses when it comes to herd immunity.

There's not enough data from Denmark or anywhere to say they've reached herd immunity, but things look good.

It's as if medicine rooted in science works. Maybe one day the US will get there...
We’re probably already above 85% if you include natural immunity.
It's right around 82%, but as we see the vaccines are not preventing infection, that 82% is questionable.

Everyone is going to have to catch COVID before it gets under control.
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Emmys: Where are the mask? Oh, that’s right, good for thee, but not for me. Masks are for little people. And suckers.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:16 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:00 am Yeah, the data is still coming in but it seems like the ~85% vaccination rate is where things settle down with this particular virus. Not a lot of nations have reached that threshold, but 85%-90% is what we typically see for other viruses when it comes to herd immunity.

There's not enough data from Denmark or anywhere to say they've reached herd immunity, but things look good.

It's as if medicine rooted in science works. Maybe one day the US will get there...
We’re probably already above 85% if you include natural immunity.
~85% vaccination rate.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:21 am Emmys: Where are the mask? Oh, that’s right, good for thee, but not for me. Masks are for little people. And suckers.
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Life can be normalized when everyone is vaccinated. I don't understand how people don't get this already.

This is why vaccination mandates are being put in place.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:22 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:16 am
We’re probably already above 85% if you include natural immunity.
~85% vaccination rate.
Israel is right at that vaccination rate now and is having their highest per person infection rate right now.

The vaccines are not sterilizing.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:24 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:21 am Emmys: Where are the mask? Oh, that’s right, good for thee, but not for me. Masks are for little people. And suckers.
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Life can be normalized when everyone is vaccinated. I don't understand how people don't get this already.

This is why vaccination mandates are being put in place.
I’d rather just sit around and bitch about the gubmint.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:26 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:22 am

~85% vaccination rate.
Israel is right at that vaccination rate now and is having their highest per person infection rate right now.

The vaccines are not sterilizing.
They're sitting at less than 80% vaccination rate at this time.

Also the point is to minimize hospitalizations and bad effects of the virus...like we do with other viruses.

For what it's worth since it's relevant, I have no symptoms today. I had Covid symptoms for almost a month last time, and side effects for another few. I've had two days of minor symptoms this time. My antibody count is literally off the charts.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:32 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:26 am

Israel is right at that vaccination rate now and is having their highest per person infection rate right now.

The vaccines are not sterilizing.
They're sitting at less than 80% vaccination rate at this time.

Also the point is to minimize hospitalizations and bad effects of the virus...like we do with other viruses.

For what it's worth since it's relevant, I have no symptoms today. I had Covid symptoms for almost a month last time, and side effects for another few. I've had two days of minor symptoms this time. My antibody count is literally off the charts.
How hard is it to get an antibody count?
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kalm wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:41 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:32 am

They're sitting at less than 80% vaccination rate at this time.

Also the point is to minimize hospitalizations and bad effects of the virus...like we do with other viruses.

For what it's worth since it's relevant, I have no symptoms today. I had Covid symptoms for almost a month last time, and side effects for another few. I've had two days of minor symptoms this time. My antibody count is literally off the charts.
How hard is it to get an antibody count?
Personally, very easy. You can order one yourself, which is very rare. It's how I got mine. I ordered it and then some doctor I didn't know, gave it their blessing. Cost an extra $10.

I should say that if you want insurance to pay, a doctor needs to order.

In regards to calculating the population, blood draw centers are testing their blood supply and that is a good place to extrapolate the population's Ab's
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kalm wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:41 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:32 am
They're sitting at less than 80% vaccination rate at this time.

Also the point is to minimize hospitalizations and bad effects of the virus...like we do with other viruses.

For what it's worth since it's relevant, I have no symptoms today. I had Covid symptoms for almost a month last time, and side effects for another few. I've had two days of minor symptoms this time. My antibody count is literally off the charts.
How hard is it to get an antibody to count?
Very difficult, antibodies aren't good at math .. :kisswink:
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∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:32 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:26 am

Israel is right at that vaccination rate now and is having their highest per person infection rate right now.

The vaccines are not sterilizing.
They're sitting at less than 80% vaccination rate at this time.

Also the point is to minimize hospitalizations and bad effects of the virus...like we do with other viruses.

For what it's worth since it's relevant, I have no symptoms today. I had Covid symptoms for almost a month last time, and side effects for another few. I've had two days of minor symptoms this time. My antibody count is literally off the charts.
Did your vaccination prevent you from getting COVID? See my point? If you were vaccinated, got sick and displayed symptoms, you could have spread to someone else. You'll never reach herd immunity that way.

As of right now, natural immunity is the only sterilizing path forward.
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kalm wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:26 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:24 am

Life can be normalized when everyone is vaccinated. I don't understand how people don't get this already.

This is why vaccination mandates are being put in place.
I’d rather just sit around and bitch about the gubmint.
My county has consistently been in the top five counties in the country for vax numbers and we have masks required indoors everywhere.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:49 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:32 am

They're sitting at less than 80% vaccination rate at this time.

Also the point is to minimize hospitalizations and bad effects of the virus...like we do with other viruses.

For what it's worth since it's relevant, I have no symptoms today. I had Covid symptoms for almost a month last time, and side effects for another few. I've had two days of minor symptoms this time. My antibody count is literally off the charts.
Did your vaccination prevent you from getting COVID? See my point? If you were vaccinated, got sick and displayed symptoms, you could have spread to someone else. You'll never reach herd immunity that way.
It did not work, but that's not how herd immunity works!

Let's get a major point out of the way first: vaccines are not 100%. However, they are fantastic at preventing serious illness.

Second major point: We don't know what Covid-19 vaccination rate is needed for herd immunity, but it seems like ~85%. This isn't far off from other viruses. As BDK said, some are naturally immune; 85% vaccination rate plus whatever natural immunity probably gets us there.

Now back to herd immunity: it works by employing layers and layers of protection (like a good IT system). If the virus breaks through one layer (me in this example), it's got a high chance being snuffed out at the next layer. Multiply that scenario over hundreds and thousands of individuals and you've got a good chance at severely limiting how much the virus can spread and do damage. At that point you reach herd immunity and while infection exists, life is normalized to the point where the risk is acceptable.

Take it even further - if humanity has the will - but do that over an incredibly long period of time and you could contain and then completely wipe out a virus. Of course the virus will mutate, but being vaccinated can help prevent mutations from spreading.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:46 am
kalm wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:41 am

How hard is it to get an antibody to count?
Very difficult, antibodies aren't good at math .. :kisswink:
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∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:17 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:49 am

Did your vaccination prevent you from getting COVID? See my point? If you were vaccinated, got sick and displayed symptoms, you could have spread to someone else. You'll never reach herd immunity that way.
It did not work, but that's not how herd immunity works!

Let's get a major point out of the way first: vaccines are not 100%. However, they are fantastic at preventing serious illness.

Second major point: We don't know what Covid-19 vaccination rate is needed for herd immunity, but it seems like ~85%. This isn't far off from other viruses. As BDK said, some are naturally immune; 85% vaccination rate plus whatever natural immunity probably gets us there.

Now back to herd immunity: it works by employing layers and layers of protection (like a good IT system). If the virus breaks through one layer (me in this example), it's got a high chance being snuffed out at the next layer. Multiply that scenario over hundreds and thousands of individuals and you've got a good chance at severely limiting how much the virus can spread and do damage. At that point you reach herd immunity and while infection exists, life is normalized to the point where the risk is acceptable.

Take it even further - if humanity has the will - but do that over an incredibly long period of time and you could contain and then completely wipe out a virus. Of course the virus will mutate, but being vaccinated can help prevent mutations from spreading.
Here is the definition of herd immunity.

"Resistance to the spread of an infectious disease within a population that is based on pre-existing immunity of a high proportion of individuals as a result of previous infection or vaccination."

If your vaccine induced immunity did NOT stop you from getting COVID and becoming symptomatic, then how is that going to help "resistance" to spread? It won't and totally shoots your goal of 85% vaccination rate in the butt. This discussion is playing out in real time in Israel and the UK. Highest vaccination rates in the World and highest case counts since the start.

I'm totally fine with how the vaccines work, as they are preventing serious illness and death, which is what we want. Now hopefully those that have vaccine protection can catch COVID and develop a broader base of immunity without it really hammering them. Then we can start talking about a similar level of herd immunity like we have for the Flu. Just going to live with not eradicating COVID.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:24 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:14 am
AOC is also a politician and should understand optics. How much do you want to bet that AOC had a problem with Melania's " I don't care" jacket? It's all about optics and going to a wealthy-only party where tickets are $35k and to actually sit at a table is $200k wearing a dress that says to tax the very people you are rubbing elbows with isn't about bravery and doesn't advance your cause to tax them. It takes away from your argument and positions you as a hypocrite. A decent PR person should've told her that if she wants to wear the dress....don't do it at glamour party for rich people.

Besides, we don't need to raise taxes. We pay enough already. We NEED to cut spending. We NEED to trim the budget and do away with wasteful spending. The IRS collected $3.5T last year.

$3B is wasted on vacated or under-used fed properties.
How much money would be saved if we tighten Medicare payments?
Both Presidents Obama and Trump wanted to reduce/eliminate the CDBG which could save about $3.5B/yr. Congress said no.
Quit making A1 Tanks - the Army doesn't want them but Congress won't stop production b/c it'll cost jobs.

We could save billions and billions each year but we won't. I get it - no Senator/Rep wants to vote to take $$ out of their constituents pockets so they'll vote for a wasteful program while at the same time complain about wasteful spending. We won't b/c we're short sighted and our politicians don't really care about what the next 20-40 years will look like since most of them will either be dead, dying or entering retirement with a fat pension and MILLIONS of $$$ made by their gov't contacts. Another thing...to actually SOLVE the problem will require effort, sacrifice, compromise by the parties and the population and that just isn't America. American's aren't going to voluntarily hurt themselves today to reap the benefits tomorrow.
I thought it was great optics, and a perfect place to send out a message and create some controversy. (I mean a group of men on a football forum are still bringing it up one week later). Obviously she knows her constituency and audience.

And we need to raise taxes AND cut spending.

"I don't care" jacket at a place of immense human suffering is not the same as a fundraiser for an important, cultural, and public institution which serves the general public. Her job is to support the Met and fundraisers are a part of it.
Then why is she still trying to defend her stunt a week later? :?
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Antibody count? Is that like a list of every girl that rejects you? Holy moley! Off the charts is right!
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