Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:09 am
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How many had Covid as well? Because recent studies have shown you’re more likely to get it from the virus than the vaccine.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:07 pm 1 in 35 had a myocardial injury from the Moderna vaccine.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epd ... /ejhf.2978
Been saying troponin tests were what needed to be done to assess vaccine induced heart damage.
This is the first I've seen where the women were more affected. Some speculate it's due to dose per kg.
Link please.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:00 pmHow many had Covid as well? Because recent studies have shown you’re more likely to get it from the virus than the vaccine.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:07 pm 1 in 35 had a myocardial injury from the Moderna vaccine.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epd ... /ejhf.2978
Been saying troponin tests were what needed to be done to assess vaccine induced heart damage.
This is the first I've seen where the women were more affected. Some speculate it's due to dose per kg.
I think RFK Jr got nailed for this recently.
I figured a preeminent virologist such as yourself would have that info at his finger tips.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:59 pmLink please.
I have not seen any studies in which they performed troponin tests that proved the virus was even close to the vaccine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/We identified 22 eligible studies consisting of 55.5 million vaccinated cohorts and 2.5 million in the infection cohort. The median age was 49 years (interquartile range (IQR): 38–56), and 49% (IQR: 43 to 52%) were men. Of patients diagnosed with myocarditis (in both vaccination and COVID-19 cohort) 1.07% were hospitalized and 0.015% died. The relative risk (RR) for myocarditis was more than seven times higher in the infection group than in the vaccination group [RR: 15 (95% CI: 11.09–19.81, infection group] and RR: 2 (95% CI: 1.44-2.65, vaccine group).
Microbiologist.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:29 pmI figured a preeminent virologist such as yourself would have that info at his finger tips.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:59 pm
Link please.
I have not seen any studies in which they performed troponin tests that proved the virus was even close to the vaccine.
This is a top layer analysis. It's not going to pick up what the troponin studies pick up. These should have been ran a long time ago to determine heart damage from either COVID or the vaccine, but for some reason in all the billions thrown around, couldn't get funding to simply add a troponin to the list of other tests picked up by the gubmint.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:30 pmhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/We identified 22 eligible studies consisting of 55.5 million vaccinated cohorts and 2.5 million in the infection cohort. The median age was 49 years (interquartile range (IQR): 38–56), and 49% (IQR: 43 to 52%) were men. Of patients diagnosed with myocarditis (in both vaccination and COVID-19 cohort) 1.07% were hospitalized and 0.015% died. The relative risk (RR) for myocarditis was more than seven times higher in the infection group than in the vaccination group [RR: 15 (95% CI: 11.09–19.81, infection group] and RR: 2 (95% CI: 1.44-2.65, vaccine group).
You’re a troponin!SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:32 pmThis is a top layer analysis. It's not going to pick up what the troponin studies pick up. These should have been ran a long time ago to determine heart damage from either COVID or the vaccine, but for some reason in all the billions thrown around, couldn't get funding to simply add a troponin to the list of other tests picked up by the gubmint.
The point being is that your study will never show that because they weren't looking. Those big studies put myocarditis rates at around 1 in 3-5,000. The Troponin study shows it's actually 1in 35 for the Moderna vaccine to have caused heart injuries detectable with blood test.
The Thai study they did with young boys put the rate at 1 in 300. That's way more 1 in 3-5,000.
kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:08 pmYou’re a troponin!SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:32 pm
This is a top layer analysis. It's not going to pick up what the troponin studies pick up. These should have been ran a long time ago to determine heart damage from either COVID or the vaccine, but for some reason in all the billions thrown around, couldn't get funding to simply add a troponin to the list of other tests picked up by the gubmint.
The point being is that your study will never show that because they weren't looking. Those big studies put myocarditis rates at around 1 in 3-5,000. The Troponin study shows it's actually 1in 35 for the Moderna vaccine to have caused heart injuries detectable with blood test.
The Thai study they did with young boys put the rate at 1 in 300. That's way more 1 in 3-5,000.
Some time back I did a thing where I picked a start date for the period where vaccine effects would start. I picked 2/18/2021. i based it on looking at the date of the first vaccination in the US, 12/14/2020, and adding 66 days. I allowed time to complete the initial series, time after initial series to full antibody production, incubation period for acquiring COVID-19 disease, and time after acquiring COVID-19 to death if death occurs. A lot of variation around all of those things except the time to get the initial series so a fuzzy estimate. But still, I think, a reasonable starting point to pick.Florida’s spike in deaths subsided that fall, as it did elsewhere. Overall, the state’s death rate during the pandemic, adjusted for age, ended up better than the national average. Some public health experts credit the state’s robust health system and strong performance in the pandemic’s first year or so.
But in Florida, unlike the nation as a whole — and states like New York and California that Mr. DeSantis likes to single out — most people who died from Covid died after vaccines became available to all adults, not before. As the governor’s political positions began to shift, so did his state’s death rate, for the worse.
From the linked study':SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:07 pm 1 in 35 had a myocardial injury from the Moderna vaccine.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epd ... /ejhf.2978
Been saying troponin tests were what needed to be done to assess vaccine induced heart damage.
This is the first I've seen where the women were more affected. Some speculate it's due to dose per kg.
Given the small extent of acute cardiomyocyte injury in our study, i.e. cTnT levels of about one-fourth of those observed in patients with spontaneous myopericarditis,10 and its transient nature, good long-term outcomes can be expected. COVID-19 associates with a substantially higher risk for myocarditis that mRNA vaccination33, and myocarditis related to COVID-19 infection has shown a higher mortality than myocarditis related to mRNA-vaccination.34,35 Thus, for the majority of individuals, the overall very favorable risk-benefit ratio of booster immunizations persists.
Bro. It's not a matter of how "bad" the authors of the study feel the cases are, it's the fact 1 in 35 are showing heart damage on a test they use to assess heart attack damage. 1 in 35 is absolutely unacceptable for a vaccine. You tell all those people "it's just a little heart damage" and see what response you get from them, the parents and their doctor.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:09 pmFrom the linked study':SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:07 pm 1 in 35 had a myocardial injury from the Moderna vaccine.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epd ... /ejhf.2978
Been saying troponin tests were what needed to be done to assess vaccine induced heart damage.
This is the first I've seen where the women were more affected. Some speculate it's due to dose per kg.
Given the small extent of acute cardiomyocyte injury in our study, i.e. cTnT levels of about one-fourth of those observed in patients with spontaneous myopericarditis,10 and its transient nature, good long-term outcomes can be expected. COVID-19 associates with a substantially higher risk for myocarditis that mRNA vaccination33, and myocarditis related to COVID-19 infection has shown a higher mortality than myocarditis related to mRNA-vaccination.34,35 Thus, for the majority of individuals, the overall very favorable risk-benefit ratio of booster immunizations persists.
I suspect that the authors of the paper are way more qualified to comment on what that level of damage means than you or i are and i don't think any reasonable person would interpret what they said about it as meaning they think it's "very serious." They described it as "mild and transient."SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:27 pmBro. It's not a matter of how "bad" the authors of the study feel the cases are, it's the fact 1 in 35 are showing heart damage on a test they use to assess heart attack damage. 1 in 35 is absolutely unacceptable for a vaccine. You tell all those people "it's just a little heart damage" and see what response you get from them, the parents and their doctor.
Also, remember we were told COVID was causing more heart damage than the vaccines. This absolutely blows that claim out of the water. Not even close. You can damn well bet that if COVID was causing heart damage at that rate, it would have been broadcast non stop and used to scare more people into taking the vaccine.
I can also guarantee that before COVID, a Cardiologist would claim anything that caused that level of damage as very serious.
Do no harm is part of the Hippocratic oath and especially applicable to vaccines. Vaccines are supposed to be extremely low in side effects, as they are used as preventative medicine. If a person, which was about 99% of the population, was not harmed by COVID, to see 1 in 35 injured by the vaccine is unacceptable.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:45 pm I also think it is a leap to think that finding the substance in the blood at whatever levels they found them at under the circumstances in which they found them means that something really serious happened because the same substance is used to detect likely heart attacks. Nobody in the study suffered any serious issues. Nothing of concern comparable to the concern that would be raised by a heart attack happened.
The fact that troponin is used to detect heart attacks does not mean that it indicated any serious problems in the context of that study. it didn't.
When you're also an olympic level athlete who trains Navy SEALS while juggling Putin's balls sometimes the small shit gets put on the back burner.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:29 pmI figured a preeminent virologist such as yourself would have that info at his finger tips.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:59 pm
Link please.
I have not seen any studies in which they performed troponin tests that proved the virus was even close to the vaccine.
Doogie Howser, MDSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:07 pmDo no harm is part of the Hippocratic oath and especially applicable to vaccines. Vaccines are supposed to be extremely low in side effects, as they are used as preventative medicine. If a person, which was about 99% of the population, was not harmed by COVID, to see 1 in 35 injured by the vaccine is unacceptable.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:45 pm I also think it is a leap to think that finding the substance in the blood at whatever levels they found them at under the circumstances in which they found them means that something really serious happened because the same substance is used to detect likely heart attacks. Nobody in the study suffered any serious issues. Nothing of concern comparable to the concern that would be raised by a heart attack happened.
The fact that troponin is used to detect heart attacks does not mean that it indicated any serious problems in the context of that study. it didn't.
The fact that you would say that Troponins, which leaked out of the heart muscle cells due to damage, is no big deal, speaks volumes. You do know that myocarditis can lead to atrial fibrillation, which can then lead to heart failure if you physically exert yourself too much while the heart tissue is inflamed, don't you?
You must also know that the people in the study that were diagnosed with myocarditis were then put under medical watch and told not to do anything strenuous until the heart healed. If it was no big deal, as you say, then why were they watched by the providers and told not to do anything strenuous?
You should stop digging that hole right about now.
It's called being informed bro. Isn't that hard to do, especially as I've been involved with the medical industry in one fashion or another since the 90's. As someone who trains at 91% and higher of max heart rate, I've also paid close attention to this topic.houndawg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:54 amDoogie Howser, MDSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:07 pm
Do no harm is part of the Hippocratic oath and especially applicable to vaccines. Vaccines are supposed to be extremely low in side effects, as they are used as preventative medicine. If a person, which was about 99% of the population, was not harmed by COVID, to see 1 in 35 injured by the vaccine is unacceptable.
The fact that you would say that Troponins, which leaked out of the heart muscle cells due to damage, is no big deal, speaks volumes. You do know that myocarditis can lead to atrial fibrillation, which can then lead to heart failure if you physically exert yourself too much while the heart tissue is inflamed, don't you?
You must also know that the people in the study that were diagnosed with myocarditis were then put under medical watch and told not to do anything strenuous until the heart healed. If it was no big deal, as you say, then why were they watched by the providers and told not to do anything strenuous?
You should stop digging that hole right about now.
How do you do it all..?
It's called being informed bro. Isn't that hard to do, especially as I've been involved with the medical industry in one fashion or another since the 90's. As someone who trains at 91% and higher of max heart rate, I've also paid close attention to this topic.houndawg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:54 amDoogie Howser, MDSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:07 pm
Do no harm is part of the Hippocratic oath and especially applicable to vaccines. Vaccines are supposed to be extremely low in side effects, as they are used as preventative medicine. If a person, which was about 99% of the population, was not harmed by COVID, to see 1 in 35 injured by the vaccine is unacceptable.
The fact that you would say that Troponins, which leaked out of the heart muscle cells due to damage, is no big deal, speaks volumes. You do know that myocarditis can lead to atrial fibrillation, which can then lead to heart failure if you physically exert yourself too much while the heart tissue is inflamed, don't you?
You must also know that the people in the study that were diagnosed with myocarditis were then put under medical watch and told not to do anything strenuous until the heart healed. If it was no big deal, as you say, then why were they watched by the providers and told not to do anything strenuous?
You should stop digging that hole right about now.
How do you do it all..?
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:33 amIt's called being informed bro. Isn't that hard to do, especially as I've been involved with the medical industry in one fashion or another since the 90's. As someone who trains at 91% and higher of max heart rate, I've also paid close attention to this topic.
Why don't you do yourself a favor and read up on Troponins and myocarditis. It's not a tough subject.
We won't get into the recent study in which two boys who got vaccine induced myocarditis recovered, then had it return nine months later. Too small a sample, but worrisome.
We‘re not talking about old farts here, but young and middle aged people.houndawg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:43 amSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:33 am
It's called being informed bro. Isn't that hard to do, especially as I've been involved with the medical industry in one fashion or another since the 90's. As someone who trains at 91% and higher of max heart rate, I've also paid close attention to this topic.
Why don't you do yourself a favor and read up on Troponins and myocarditis. It's not a tough subject.
We won't get into the recent study in which two boys who got vaccine induced myocarditis recovered, then had it return nine months later. Too small a sample, but worrisome.
Must be weaklings.
I had all the Moderna shots and boosters, never felt a thing.
Sounds like bullshit
You got a thing against women tough guy?houndawg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:43 amSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:33 am
It's called being informed bro. Isn't that hard to do, especially as I've been involved with the medical industry in one fashion or another since the 90's. As someone who trains at 91% and higher of max heart rate, I've also paid close attention to this topic.
Why don't you do yourself a favor and read up on Troponins and myocarditis. It's not a tough subject.
We won't get into the recent study in which two boys who got vaccine induced myocarditis recovered, then had it return nine months later. Too small a sample, but worrisome.
Must be weaklings.
I had all the Moderna shots and boosters, never felt a thing.
Sounds like bullshit