The problem is nobody can make anything of the stat without knowing the average active case rate.
How are you going to know if the value is derived from more testing or if there is an actual increase in the percentage of active cases?
It's a meaningless stat. So as said, it's used for fear mongering.
There is no way to be more accurate than comparing actual counts. Number of test included in any calculation is meaningless unless you add in the number of people tested, being many people being test 2-3 times or more. If a person is tested 3 times and is positive once, does that count as 1 out of 3 people tested are positive? The average person on the street is not being tested unless they have symptoms or were near a person that tested positive. The other test are job related, and even that is based on being in the same area as a positive test. There are 10x more people recovered tested cases in Minnesota, than we have active tested cases. Each recovered person may have been tested twice.
Why can't they count people who have been tested previously? The test was taken and a person turned up negative, then they are not active.
Maybe I'm missing something, but active cases without knowing total tests means nothing.
It's like saying NDSU and UNI scored 38 points in a game. Well, who won? Doesn't matter, there were 38 points scored.
There is no way to be more accurate than comparing actual counts. Number of test included in any calculation is meaningless unless you add in the number of people tested, being many people being test 2-3 times or more. If a person is tested 3 times and is positive once, does that count as 1 out of 3 people tested are positive? The average person on the street is not being tested unless they have symptoms or were near a person that tested positive. The other test are job related, and even that is based on being in the same area as a positive test. There are 10x more people recovered tested cases in Minnesota, than we have active tested cases. Each recovered person may have been tested twice.
Why can't they count people who have been tested previously? The test was taken and a person turned up negative, then they are not active.
Maybe I'm missing something, but active cases without knowing total tests means nothing.
It's like saying NDSU and UNI scored 38 points in a game. Well, who won? Doesn't matter, there were 38 points scored.
I'm not saying they can't count them, I'm saying the NDSU vs UNI game should not count as 3 games when doing percentages. Test numbers do not tell you how many people were tested. They tell how many test were administered. A true percentage would be the number of people tested. Many people count as 1 or more positive test when they have covid and 1 negative test when they are recovered.
I'm not saying they can't count them, I'm saying the NDSU vs UNI game should not count as 3 games when doing percentages. Test numbers do not tell you how many people were tested. They tell how many test were administered. A true percentage would be the number of people tested. Many people count as 1 or more positive test when they have covid and 1 negative test when they are recovered.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:18 pm
by SDHornet
Meanwhile here in CA, new daily positives are almost down to pre-blm protest/riot numbers, and less than 1k of the nearly 13k deaths are under the age of 50.
Open everything back up already.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:37 am
by SeattleGriz
SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:18 pm
Meanwhile here in CA, new daily positives are almost down to pre-blm protest/riot numbers, and less than 1k of the nearly 13k deaths are under the age of 50.
Open everything back up already.
Dems biggest fear. COVID was going to die down early enough to take mail in voting off the table.
Taken out of context to confirm the Covid - is no big deal - mindset.
Of course Covid is more dangerous with pre-existing conditions.
Read the Forbes article for more information.
Cripes dude. I read your article and it in no way changes what I said or my post stated.
In fact it only affirmed what I have said multiple times on this thread. It's not my issue if you keep looking at everything like it's a conspiracy.
The conspiracy theory supported and intended by the meme is Covid ain’t that bad. That’s how everyone who runs with it is thinking (Nice to see we’re still on the “it’s the flu” thing all these months later.).
Hospitals manipulating death certificates to increase funding is also a conspiracy theory. Evidence?
“Pssst...the more Covid related deaths, the greater the funding.” 6% related solely to Covid doesn’t get you much funding.
Regardless, it was taken out of context and there are ample sources out there now thoroughly debunking it.
Cripes dude. I read your article and it in no way changes what I said or my post stated.
In fact it only affirmed what I have said multiple times on this thread. It's not my issue if you keep looking at everything like it's a conspiracy.
The conspiracy theory supported and intended by the meme is Covid ain’t that bad. That’s how everyone who runs with it is thinking (Nice to see we’re still on the “it’s the flu” thing all these months later.).
Hospitals manipulating death certificates to increase funding is also a conspiracy theory. Evidence?
“Pssst...the more Covid related deaths, the greater the funding.” 6% related solely to Covid doesn’t get you much funding.
Regardless, it was taken out of context and there are ample sources out there now thoroughly debunking it.
The only thing being taken out of context is the 6% and that is due to reading comprehension. The CDC statement clearly states that outside of the 6%, comorbidities play a large factor.
All this "debunking" is people actually stating what was clearly said. There was no conspiracy.
As to incentivizing hospitals and clinics, that has clearly happened, but was expected. COVID coding allows for testing to be more fully covered. How do you think COVID testing gets covered?
I should have been more clear on this aspect though. Coding doesn't change death rates, just insurance payments.
The conspiracy theory supported and intended by the meme is Covid ain’t that bad. That’s how everyone who runs with it is thinking (Nice to see we’re still on the “it’s the flu” thing all these months later.).
Hospitals manipulating death certificates to increase funding is also a conspiracy theory. Evidence?
“Pssst...the more Covid related deaths, the greater the funding.” 6% related solely to Covid doesn’t get you much funding.
Regardless, it was taken out of context and there are ample sources out there now thoroughly debunking it.
The only thing being taken out of context is the 6% and that is due to reading comprehension. The CDC statement clearly states that outside of the 6%, comorbidities play a large factor.
All this "debunking" is people actually stating what was clearly said. There was no conspiracy.
As to incentivizing hospitals and clinics, that has clearly happened, but was expected. COVID coding allows for testing to be more fully covered. How do you think COVID testing gets covered?
I should have been more clear on this aspect though. Coding doesn't change death rates, just insurance payments.
So these people with comorbidities would have died on the same timeline away?
The only thing being taken out of context is the 6% and that is due to reading comprehension. The CDC statement clearly states that outside of the 6%, comorbidities play a large factor.
All this "debunking" is people actually stating what was clearly said. There was no conspiracy.
As to incentivizing hospitals and clinics, that has clearly happened, but was expected. COVID coding allows for testing to be more fully covered. How do you think COVID testing gets covered?
I should have been more clear on this aspect though. Coding doesn't change death rates, just insurance payments.
So these people with comorbidities would have died on the same timeline away?
That's not what I'm saying, nor did the CDC statement say that.
The lesson to take home is that if you are young and don't have any comorbidities, chances are very high that COVID won't be much of an issue for you.
You might have missed my post way back when I commented on what this pandemic would have been like back in 2009. I brought that up because America sure hasn't gotten in better shape healthwise since then.
That comment was aimed at how comorbidities play a large factor. I can't say with certainty, but it should be a given that COVID accelerated their deaths.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:42 pm
by Gil Dobie
Grandson is starting all day, 5 days a week kindergarten. We are helping the parents out by bringing him to school and picking him up. Temps and masks to enter the building, so that helps, but can you keep a mask on a 5 year-old for an entire day of classes. We are happy for him, he will be around his classmates and not home schooling. Selling the lake home 50 miles away was the best thing we could have done. No Leaves this fall either Flaggy.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:00 pm
by AZGrizFan
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:42 pm
Grandson is starting all day, 5 days a week kindergarten. We are helping the parents out by bringing him to school and picking him up. Temps and masks to enter the building, so that helps, but can you keep a mask on a 5 year-old for an entire day of classes. We are happy for him, he will be around his classmates and not home schooling. Selling the lake home 50 miles away was the best thing we could have done. No Leaves this fall either Flaggy.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:39 am
by Gil Dobie
10,000 will be allowed in the Fargodome for the UCA game. Mask and temp to enter.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:41 am
by kalm
Some potential good news...
Cool tech story and suggests how Covid takes over the body. The bradykinin hypotheses.
If you haven’t already been taking Vitamin D, this confirms that we should all be loading up. Even if you’re getting sunlight.
SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:18 pm
Meanwhile here in CA, new daily positives are almost down to pre-blm protest/riot numbers, and less than 1k of the nearly 13k deaths are under the age of 50.
Open everything back up already.
I'm sure they will open up for the polls in November.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:10 am
by 89Hen
kalm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:41 am
If you haven’t already been taking Vitamin D, this confirms that we should all be loading up. Even if you’re getting sunlight.
It's the only supplement I take. Last bloodwork showed I was deficient.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:43 am
by CAA Flagship
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:42 pm
Grandson is starting all day, 5 days a week kindergarten. We are helping the parents out by bringing him to school and picking him up. Temps and masks to enter the building, so that helps, but can you keep a mask on a 5 year-old for an entire day of classes. We are happy for him, he will be around his classmates and not home schooling. Selling the lake home 50 miles away was the best thing we could have done. No Leaves this fall either Flaggy.
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:42 pm
Grandson is starting all day, 5 days a week kindergarten. We are helping the parents out by bringing him to school and picking him up. Temps and masks to enter the building, so that helps, but can you keep a mask on a 5 year-old for an entire day of classes. We are happy for him, he will be around his classmates and not home schooling. Selling the lake home 50 miles away was the best thing we could have done. No Leaves this fall either Flaggy.
SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:18 pm
Meanwhile here in CA, new daily positives are almost down to pre-blm protest/riot numbers, and less than 1k of the nearly 13k deaths are under the age of 50.
Open everything back up already.
I'm sure they will open up for the polls in November.
Just wear a mask.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:42 am
by Gil Dobie
Don't know if this is true, but it was seen on the internet
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:06 pm
by Skjellyfetti
If they have a Q in their Twitter handle, you can pretty much assume they're morons.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:09 pm
by Ivytalk
Same as having three consecutive consonants in their screen names.
A 28-year-old pregnant Victorian woman has been arrested after she allegedly organised a protest event for Saturday that breaches the government’s coronavirus restrictions.
Zoe Buhler uploaded a live Facebook video on Wednesday afternoon as Victoria police entered her home in Miners Rest, north of Ballarat, with an arrest warrant.
The mum, with the Facebook name Zoe Lee, can be seen in her pyjamas with her two children and partner watching on. Police explain to Ms Buhler she is being placed under arrest for incitement and she is handcuffed.
It's the only supplement I take. Last bloodwork showed I was deficient.
