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That explains, in part, Bolton’s reputation for unpleasantness: He unapologetically forces people to get the details, what in government is often called “process,” exactly right. I am reminded of a Muslim cleric who explained to me that to mumble your way through prayer is like dialing a phone number that is a digit or two off: The message doesn’t go through, and the exercise is pointless. Bolton has a tendency to regard rivals who flub process as incompetents who can’t get things done. And being an asshole, unlovely as it may sound, might not be such a bad thing, if you get things done and follow the rules

Ibanez wrote:That 'stache has some secrets it wants to share....

CID1990 wrote:He’s not my favorite anything. He’s a chicken hawk

He is absolutely correct about Iran, Norko, Russia, and every other two bit shithole cunt regime out there

The difference between me and him is that he wants to unleash the cruise missiles on all of them

Me? I just want us to pull back completely. Get out of Korea and Europe. Pull all our forces back to CONUS. ALL of them.

Then, within 5-6 years they’ll be begging us to come back and we can say, “Sure!.... No, wait, nevermind, fuck you”

CID1990 wrote:He’s not my favorite anything. He’s a chicken hawk

He is absolutely correct about Iran, Norko, Russia, and every other two bit shithole cunt regime out there

The difference between me and him is that he wants to unleash the cruise missiles on all of them

Me? I just want us to pull back completely. Get out of Korea and Europe. Pull all our forces back to CONUS. ALL of them.

Then, within 5-6 years they’ll be begging us to come back and we can say, “Sure!.... No, wait, nevermind, fuck you”

CID1990 wrote:He’s not my favorite anything. He’s a chicken hawk

He is absolutely correct about Iran, Norko, Russia, and every other two bit shithole cunt regime out there

The difference between me and him is that he wants to unleash the cruise missiles on all of them

Me? I just want us to pull back completely. Get out of Korea and Europe. Pull all our forces back to CONUS. ALL of them.

Then, within 5-6 years they’ll be begging us to come back and we can say, “Sure!.... No, wait, nevermind, fuck you”

CID1990 wrote:“Bolton also has said he worries Trump will pull the United States out of NATO if he gets a second term.”


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01 ... t-squabble

So.. all you “we spend too much on defense” posters...

What say you? Would you support a pullout from Europe? Our presence there is VERY spendy


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CID1990 wrote:“Bolton also has said he worries Trump will pull the United States out of NATO if he gets a second term.”


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01 ... t-squabble

So.. all you “we spend too much on defense” posters...

What say you? Would you support a pullout from Europe? Our presence there is VERY spendy


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houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:“Bolton also has said he worries Trump will pull the United States out of NATO if he gets a second term.”


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01 ... t-squabble

So.. all you “we spend too much on defense” posters...

What say you? Would you support a pullout from Europe? Our presence there is VERY spendy


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I would, after we leave the middle east.

houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:“Bolton also has said he worries Trump will pull the United States out of NATO if he gets a second term.”


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01 ... t-squabble

So.. all you “we spend too much on defense” posters...

What say you? Would you support a pullout from Europe? Our presence there is VERY spendy


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I would, after we leave the middle east.

AZGrizFan wrote:

houndawg wrote:
I would, after we leave the middle east.

Why does it have to be an either/or? Or one before the other? Get them ALL the fuck out and back home. Then station them shoulder to shoulder on the southern border.

CID1990 wrote:

houndawg wrote:
I would, after we leave the middle east.

I said all of them, Houndey

Why do you feel it necessary to have caveats?

Do we spend too much on our military or not?

houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
I said all of them, Houndey

Why do you feel it necessary to have caveats?

Do we spend too much on our military or not?

Not a caveat - I'm in the Trump mode arguing the process. I'd bring the mideast troops home first since more of them are dying and obviously its not something we're going to do over a couple of weekends. I suppose you could do it that way if you wanted to but I would prefer a more orderly retreat.

Yes we spend too much on the military. We have too many bases overseas and we make too much shit the Generals don't even want.

What is president CID going to replace the defense industry welfare system with after he brings the troops home?

CID1990 wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Not a caveat - I'm in the Trump mode arguing the process. I'd bring the mideast troops home first since more of them are dying and obviously its not something we're going to do over a couple of weekends. I suppose you could do it that way if you wanted to but I would prefer a more orderly retreat.

Yes we spend too much on the military. We have too many bases overseas and we make too much shit the Generals don't even want.

What is president CID going to replace the defense industry welfare system with after he brings the troops home?

Nothing

You sure seem positioned to argue for pulling troops out of the Middle East but nowhere else

That’s odd


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CID1990 wrote:“Bolton also has said he worries Trump will pull the United States out of NATO if he gets a second term.”


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01 ... t-squabble

So.. all you “we spend too much on defense” posters...

What say you? Would you support a pullout from Europe? Our presence there is VERY spendy


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houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
I said all of them, Houndey

Why do you feel it necessary to have caveats?

Do we spend too much on our military or not?

Not a caveat - I'm in the Trump mode arguing the process. I'd bring the mideast troops home first since more of them are dying and obviously its not something we're going to do over a couple of weekends. I suppose you could do it that way if you wanted to but I would prefer a more orderly retreat.

Yes we spend too much on the military. We have too many bases overseas and we make too much shit the Generals don't even want.

What is president CID going to replace the defense industry welfare system with after he brings the troops home?

houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Nothing

You sure seem positioned to argue for pulling troops out of the Middle East but nowhere else

That’s odd


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Nope thats just you doing your thing. I'm for pulling out of the mid east first that's all. Probably next would be Korea or Japan, I'd have to consult my cabinet.

CID1990 wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Nope thats just you doing your thing. I'm for pulling out of the mid east first that's all. Probably next would be Korea or Japan, I'd have to consult my cabinet.

I’m not sure why you think we have to do it one at a time

It mainly just looks like your substance free reply is falling flat

But yeah OK great point let’s pull out of the ME on Monday and everywhere else on Tuesday




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houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
I’m not sure why you think we have to do it one at a time

It mainly just looks like your substance free reply is falling flat

But yeah OK great point let’s pull out of the ME on Monday and everywhere else on Tuesday




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I guess the truth is that I haven't put much thought into the implementation - I'm a big picture guy; if you want to pull out of everywhere on Monday and think it makes that big of a difference well you just go right on ahead with yo bad self!

Are you getting enough prune juice, CID? You seem a little constipated.

CID1990 wrote:

houndawg wrote:
I guess the truth is that I haven't put much thought into the implementation - I'm a big picture guy; if you want to pull out of everywhere on Monday and think it makes that big of a difference well you just go right on ahead with yo bad self!

Are you getting enough prune juice, CID? You seem a little constipated.

OK Houndawg, you win -

We pull out of the Middle East first because well, something or another

OK