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Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:36 am
by kalm
Fake news education run by the government? Sounds big brother-commie to me.
“Kids today don’t read papers or watch TV news, which here are OK,” he said. “They don’t look for news, they stumble across it, on WhatsApp, YouTube, Instagram, Snapchat … Or more precisely, an algorithm selects it, just for them. They must be able to approach it critically. Not cynically – we don’t want them to think everyone lies – but critically.”
“Even quite young children can grasp this,” he said. “They love being detectives. If you also get them questioning real-life journalists and politicians about what matters to them, run mock debates and real school elections, ask them to write accurate and fake reports on them … democracy, and the threats to it, start to mean something.”
He wants his pupils to ask questions such as: who produced this information, and why? Where was it published? What does it really say? Who is it aimed at? What is it based on? Is there evidence for it, or is this just someone’s opinion? Is it verifiable elsewhere?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... 1580309119
Re: RE: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:44 am
by UNI88
kalm wrote:Fake news education run by the government? Sounds big brother-commie to me.
“Kids today don’t read papers or watch TV news, which here are OK,” he said. “They don’t look for news, they stumble across it, on WhatsApp, YouTube, Instagram, Snapchat … Or more precisely, an algorithm selects it, just for them. They must be able to approach it critically. Not cynically – we don’t want them to think everyone lies – but critically.”
“Even quite young children can grasp this,” he said. “They love being detectives. If you also get them questioning real-life journalists and politicians about what matters to them, run mock debates and real school elections, ask them to write accurate and fake reports on them … democracy, and the threats to it, start to mean something.”
He wants his pupils to ask questions such as: who produced this information, and why? Where was it published? What does it really say? Who is it aimed at? What is it based on? Is there evidence for it, or is this just someone’s opinion? Is it verifiable elsewhere?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... 1580309119
I like it. They teach critical thinking, we tend to teach to the assessment test. Our education system would be a lot better if we focused more effort on critical thinking.
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Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:45 am
by ∞∞∞
Fairfax County does the same. Students are taught about fake news and how to sniff it out.
Re: RE: Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:52 am
by UNI88
∞∞∞ wrote:Fairfax County does the same. Students are taught about fake news and how to sniff it out.
Fake need isn't enough, they should be taught to discern bias as well. I have a concern that sniffing out fake news focuses on right wing propoganda and is really just gentle brainwashing that ignores bias on the left.
Teach kids to think critically and make up their own minds.
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Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:09 am
by Ivytalk
Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I want to be
Pony trekking or camping or just watch T.V.
Finland, Finland, Finland
It’s the country for me.
Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:12 am
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I want to be
Pony trekking or camping or just watch T.V.
Finland, Finland, Finland
It’s the country for me.
And don't forget the lofty mountains!
Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:47 am
by CAA Flagship
kalm wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I want to be
Pony trekking or camping or just watch T.V.
Finland, Finland, Finland
It’s the country for me.
And don't forget the lofty mountains!
Are you two Finished?
Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:51 am
by Ibanez
CAA Flagship wrote:kalm wrote:
And don't forget the lofty mountains!
Are you two Finished?
That was their FINale.
Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:00 am
by kalm
Ibanez wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:
Are you two Finished?
That was their FINale.
Nope...we’re gonna ride this reindeer to Hell(sinki) and back.
Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:14 am
by 89Hen
∞∞∞ wrote:Fairfax County does the same. Students are taught about fake news and how to sniff it out.
By teachers who only watch CNN and MSNBC.
Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:20 am
by CAA Flagship
kalm wrote:Ibanez wrote:
That was their FINale.
Nope...we’re gonna ride this reindeer to Hell(sinki) and back.
You're the only bait in town.
Re: RE: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:32 am
by GannonFan
UNI88 wrote:I like it. They teach critical thinking, we tend to teach to the assessment test. Our education system would be a lot better if we focused more effort on critical thinking.
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Agreed, bias detection is one of the most important things to learn, and it doesn't just pertain to viewing news sources, it's good in most walks of life.
Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:20 am
by AZGrizFan
89Hen wrote:∞∞∞ wrote:Fairfax County does the same. Students are taught about fake news and how to sniff it out.
By teachers who only watch CNN and MSNBC.
No shit. Their version of "fake news" is anything that's not on those two channels.
Re: Some of you need to move to Finland
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:08 am
by 89Hen
AZGrizFan wrote:89Hen wrote:
By teachers who only watch CNN and MSNBC.
No shit. Their version of "fake news" is anything that's not on those two channels.
My daughter is a grade school teacher and she needs to keep her politics quiet or face serious retribution (same goes for Mrs89 working for the county). Teachers parking lot...
