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Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:31 pm
by kalm
Or is it “Old New Capitalism...”
The majority of America's largest companies are incorporated in Delaware, and its Supreme Court chief justice, Leo E. Strine, Jr., is a highly influential and outspoken voice on corporate law.
Strine said at a recent CEO conference that those who dismiss presidential candidate Bernie Sanders as a communist are ignorant of the markets and history.
He likened Sanders' policies to those in FDR's New Deal, and said New Deal democracy is the model that allowed the US and its allies to thrive in the 20th century.
https://www.businessinsider.com/delawar ... cal-2019-2
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:52 am
by Ivytalk
Don’t get me started on that jerk. Since he left the bench, he’s been auditioning for a post in an Elizabeth Warren cabinet, and now he has to pirouette to Sanders. The biggest prick to sit on the DE bench in years. Arrogant, self-important blabbermouth whose written opinions were always twice as long as they needed to be because he likes to hear himself talk.
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:41 am
by LeadBolt
I don’t see a whole lot of similarities between Sanders programs and those of FDR, other than government sponsorship. The focus is entirely different. Much of what FDR started is still with us in our current system and makes it what it is today. Much of what Sanders wants is to tear down that system.
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Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:19 am
by CID1990
Ivytalk wrote:Don’t get me started on that jerk. Since he left the bench, he’s been auditioning for a post in an Elizabeth Warren cabinet, and now he has to pirouette to Sanders. The biggest prick to sit on the DE bench in years. Arrogant, self-important blabbermouth whose written opinions were always twice as long as they needed to be because he likes to hear himself talk.
He appeals to klam though, Ivy
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Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:25 am
by kalm
CID1990 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:19 am
Ivytalk wrote:Don’t get me started on that jerk. Since he left the bench, he’s been auditioning for a post in an Elizabeth Warren cabinet, and now he has to pirouette to Sanders. The biggest prick to sit on the DE bench in years. Arrogant, self-important blabbermouth whose written opinions were always twice as long as they needed to be because he likes to hear himself talk.
He appeals to klam though, Ivy
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I was honestly hoping/expecting an Ivy rant on this and boy howdy he didn’t disappoint!
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:54 am
by Ivytalk
My favorite personal story about him involves a case I had in front of him about 15 years ago, when he was still a trial judge. I represented the defendant and moved to dismiss the complaint. As I saw it, there was one glaring legal defect, and my opening brief was 8 pages long (the rules allowed 50). I won the motion, but this judge issued a long published opinion that went off on another issue that he was interested in — not necessary to resolve my motion — and he had the gall to criticize defense counsel (me) for the lack of “more helpful briefing.”
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:56 am
by Ivytalk
CID1990 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:19 am
Ivytalk wrote:Don’t get me started on that jerk. Since he left the bench, he’s been auditioning for a post in an Elizabeth Warren cabinet, and now he has to pirouette to Sanders. The biggest prick to sit on the DE bench in years. Arrogant, self-important blabbermouth whose written opinions were always twice as long as they needed to be because he likes to hear himself talk.
He appeals to klam though, Ivy
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Where have I seen that girl before? TV or movies? Her face looks familiar.
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:11 am
by CID1990
Ivytalk wrote:CID1990 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:19 am
He appeals to klam though, Ivy
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Where have I seen that girl before? TV or movies? Her face looks familiar.
i think she is just some random chick
I searched “big surprise” in memes and that’s what I got
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Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:11 am
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:56 am
CID1990 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:19 am
He appeals to klam though, Ivy
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Where have I seen that girl before? TV or movies? Her face looks familiar.
She's a witch!
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:18 am
by Baldy
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:31 pm
Or is it “Old New Capitalism...”
The majority of America's largest companies are incorporated in Delaware, and its Supreme Court chief justice, Leo E. Strine, Jr., is a highly influential and outspoken voice on corporate law.
Strine said at a recent CEO conference that those who dismiss presidential candidate Bernie Sanders as a communist are ignorant of the markets and history.
He likened Sanders' policies to those in FDR's New Deal, and said New Deal democracy is the model that allowed the US and its allies to thrive in the 20th century.
https://www.businessinsider.com/delawar ... cal-2019-2
Interesting comment since so many of FDR's "New Deal" programs were struck down as unconstitutional.
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:10 am
by Pwns
I have to kind of defend Bernie, here. I get a chuckle at Democrats who are complaining about things Bernie said about Cuba and the Soviet Union in the 1980s. Those people ether have bad memory or don't know back in that time it was in vogue for mainstream Democrats to gush about how great communist health care and education was. It's going to be funny reading donk editorials in the coming months that sound like something Mona Charen wrote.
Bernie doesn't have to be honest about what MFA and free college would entail to win, but he does need to push back against the socialist label and tell people he more represents the European economic models and not those of Cuba or Venezuela. I don't think he'll do that, but he is wise enough to try and minimize talking about radioactive issues like reparations, "equal pay" for women, guns, and abortion.
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:11 am
by Ibanez
Ivytalk wrote:CID1990 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:19 am
He appeals to klam though, Ivy
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Where have I seen that girl before? TV or movies? Her face looks familiar.
Harry Potter
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Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:44 am
by 89Hen
Ivytalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:56 am
Where have I seen that girl before? TV or movies? Her face looks familiar.
Online porn
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:44 am
by AZGrizFan
Pwns wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:10 am
I have to kind of defend Bernie, here. I get a chuckle at Democrats who are complaining about things Bernie said about Cuba and the Soviet Union in the 1980s. Those people ether have bad memory or don't know back in that time it was in vogue for mainstream Democrats to gush about how great communist health care and education was. It's going to be funny reading donk editorials in the coming months that sound like something Mona Charen wrote.
Bernie doesn't have to be honest about what MFA and free college would entail to win, but he does need to push back against the socialist label and tell people he more represents the European economic models and not those of Cuba or Venezuela. I don't think he'll do that, but he is wise enough to try and minimize talking about radioactive issues like reparations, "equal pay" for women, guns, and abortion.
Funny. How come there's no video from the 80's of any other "mainstream Democrats" gushing about how great communism is?
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:39 pm
by Ivytalk
Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:11 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Where have I seen that girl before? TV or movies? Her face looks familiar.
Harry Potter
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That’s right, thanks!
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:50 pm
by Chizzang
Ivytalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:52 am
Don’t get me started on that jerk. Since he left the bench, he’s been auditioning for a post in an Elizabeth Warren cabinet, and now he has to pirouette to Sanders. The biggest prick to sit on the DE bench in years. Arrogant, self-important blabbermouth whose written opinions were always twice as long as they needed to be because he likes to hear himself talk.
I had to do a double check and make sure Ivy wasn't describing me ^ in that sentence...
Needless to say I was relieved to discover he was talking about somebody else
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:23 pm
by kalm
Baldy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:18 am
Interesting comment since so many of FDR's "New Deal" programs were struck down as unconstitutional.
Yep. As could some of Bernie’s. We all know the New Deal had its successes and failures. What establishment Dems fail to understand is negotiating 101. They argue from the middle and allow the debate to swing right. Bernie wouldn’t get everything and and probably just nominal changes and that’s ok.
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:55 am
by CID1990
Pwns wrote:I have to kind of defend Bernie, here. I get a chuckle at Democrats who are complaining about things Bernie said about Cuba and the Soviet Union in the 1980s. Those people ether have bad memory or don't know back in that time it was in vogue for mainstream Democrats to gush about how great communist health care and education was. It's going to be funny reading donk editorials in the coming months that sound like something Mona Charen wrote.
Bernie doesn't have to be honest about what MFA and free college would entail to win, but he does need to push back against the socialist label and tell people he more represents the European economic models and not those of Cuba or Venezuela. I don't think he'll do that, but he is wise enough to try and minimize talking about radioactive issues like reparations, "equal pay" for women, guns, and abortion.
Although I am sure he would say he has “evolved” on the issue, Bernie has actually enjoyed a pretty good voting score from the NRA.
Communists usually need those guns
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Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:39 am
by Baldy
kalm wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:23 pm
Baldy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:18 am
Interesting comment since so many of FDR's "New Deal" programs were struck down as unconstitutional.
Yep. As could some of Bernie’s. We all know the New Deal had its successes and failures. What establishment Dems fail to understand is negotiating 101. They argue from the middle and allow the debate to swing right. Bernie wouldn’t get everything and and probably just nominal changes and that’s ok.
Donks argue from the middle? Really?
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:40 am
by kalm
Baldy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:39 am
kalm wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:23 pm
Yep. As could some of Bernie’s. We all know the New Deal had its successes and failures. What establishment Dems fail to understand is negotiating 101. They argue from the middle and allow the debate to swing right. Bernie wouldn’t get everything and and probably just nominal changes and that’s ok.
Donks argue from the middle? Really?
In fact, they’re paid to do so.
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:20 am
by HI54UNI
Baldy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:39 am
kalm wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:23 pm
Yep. As could some of Bernie’s. We all know the New Deal had its successes and failures. What establishment Dems fail to understand is negotiating 101. They argue from the middle and allow the debate to swing right. Bernie wouldn’t get everything and and probably just nominal changes and that’s ok.
Donks argue from the middle? Really?
You have to remember that Kalm thinks he's in the middle.
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:24 am
by kalm
HI54UNI wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:20 am
Baldy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:39 am
Donks argue from the middle? Really?
You have to remember that Kalm thinks he's in the middle.
It angers you because it’s true!
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:37 am
by HI54UNI
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:24 am
HI54UNI wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:20 am
You have to remember that Kalm thinks he's in the middle.
It angers you because it’s true!
Why would I be angry because I know it's true that you
think you're in the middle?
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:51 am
by kalm
HI54UNI wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:37 am
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:24 am
It angers you because it’s true!
Why would I be angry because I know it's true that you
think you're in the middle?
Listen Mr. Fancy Pants...it was simply a twist on the “it’s funny cuz it’s true” colloquialism.
And it is.
Re: Democratic Socialism...the New Capitalism
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:10 pm
by HI54UNI
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:51 am
HI54UNI wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:37 am
Why would I be angry because I know it's true that you
think you're in the middle?
Listen Mr. Fancy Pants...it was simply a twist on the “it’s funny cuz it’s true” colloquialism.
And it is.
It is funny that you think you're in the middle!