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andy7171 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:38 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:23 am

Nah. GQP has shifted so far to the right at this point that they're a legit threat to our democracy.

Dems have their progressive wing, but for the most part it's a center-left if not a center party (or even center-right at times). They have internal struggles, debates, openly question each other, etc. I may disagree with many of their policies, but there's no test of loyalty.

The GQP is loyal to Trumpism only, not the nation. Yesterday Trump told people the Arizona audit shows he won and they cheered. The first thing about being in a cult is you don't think you're in one and I think Carl Sagan sums it up perfectly:

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."

Look at JSO. I remember having healthy liberal-conservative debates with him for 10+ years now. Dude hasn't changed one bit, yet some of you have become so enamored with Trumpism that JSO - one of the most conservative of conservatives on this site - is now considered a donk because he calls out Trump's dumbassery and authoritarianism. But yeah, people like JSO are donks masquerading around. :roll:
If the left is so moderate, why are they stuggling to reign in fellow D's to support their budget and debt limit extension>
Thanks for making my point. One party is a diverse coalition with many different view points (aka. good democracy).

The other is loyal to one thing and it's not the United States.

At this point I think the GQP simply wants to the see the country burn and own the libs. That's the platform.
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Re: Donald Trump gaffe and verbal bungles watch

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89Hen wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:25 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:18 am According to the V-Dem Institute in Sweden....
:tothehand: :rofl:
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I hadn't seen this guy. Apparently on SNL. His other Trump bits are too good.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:29 am
andy7171 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:38 am
If the left is so moderate, why are they stuggling to reign in fellow D's to support their budget and debt limit extension>
Thanks for making my point. One party is a diverse coalition with many different view points (aka. good democracy).

The other is loyal to one thing and it's not the United States.

At this point I think the GQP simply wants to the see the country burn and own the libs. That's the platform.
That's a very illiberal and intolerant perspective. :coffee:
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kalm wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:29 am
89Hen wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:25 am

:tothehand: :rofl:
Familiar with them?
Yes. I read their piece on banking in Iceland. Riveting
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:29 am One party is a diverse coalition with many different view points (aka. good democracy).
:rofl: You're becoming the best troll ever.
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kalm wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:29 am
89Hen wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:25 am

:tothehand: :rofl:
Familiar with them?
100% guarantee he's not.

At this point, people like 89 can't accept they've been bamboozled by a party that hates Democracy because (I hope) he genuinely loves Democracy. They can't reconciliate the fact the GQP isn't actually conservative anymore, but just an anti-Democracy party and nothing more...so they just ignore it and tell themselves it's something other than it is. Classic head-in-sand.

And God-forbid they support the fairly moderate Donks who have been painted as this evil party that wants to destroy America.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:36 am
kalm wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:29 am

Familiar with them?
100% guarantee he's not.

At this point, people like 89 can't accept they've been bamboozled by a party....
Shows how little you know.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:36 am
kalm wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:29 am
Familiar with them?
100% guarantee he's not.

At this point, people like 89 can't accept they've been bamboozled by a party that hates Democracy because (I hope) he genuinely loves Democracy. They can't reconciliate the fact the GQP isn't actually conservative anymore, but just an anti-Democracy party and nothing more...so they just ignore it and tell themselves it's something other than it is. Classic head-in-sand.

And God-forbid they support the fairly moderate Donks who have been painted as this evil party that wants to destroy America.
Neither major party gives a sh!t about democracy. They use it and champion it when it suits their purpose and ignore or undermine it when it doesn't.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:42 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:36 am

100% guarantee he's not.

At this point, people like 89 can't accept they've been bamboozled by a party that hates Democracy because (I hope) he genuinely loves Democracy. They can't reconciliate the fact the GQP isn't actually conservative anymore, but just an anti-Democracy party and nothing more...so they just ignore it and tell themselves it's something other than it is. Classic head-in-sand.

And God-forbid they support the fairly moderate Donks who have been painted as this evil party that wants to destroy America.
Neither major party gives a sh!t about democracy. They use it and champion it when it suits their purpose and ignore or undermine it when it doesn't.
You're not the enlightened centrist that you think you are.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:45 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:42 am
Neither major party gives a sh!t about democracy. They use it and champion it when it suits their purpose and ignore or undermine it when it doesn't.
You're not the enlightened centrist that you think you are.
I'm neither enlightened nor a centrist but I do try to have an open mind. You should try it sometime.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:45 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:42 am

Neither major party gives a sh!t about democracy. They use it and champion it when it suits their purpose and ignore or undermine it when it doesn't.
You're not the enlightened centrist that you think you are.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:49 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:45 am

You're not the enlightened centrist that you think you are.
I'm neither enlightened nor a centrist but I do try to have an open mind. You should try it sometime.
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Watching Trip spin down the doldrums of going full illiberal retard is quite the entertainment. :lol:
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:43 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:49 am
I'm neither enlightened nor a centrist but I do try to have an open mind. You should try it sometime.
“It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out."

-Sagan (again)
You could open yours up just a little without almost no risk of your brains falling out.

Or you could keep drinking the pseudo-progressive kool-aid and believe that they're different and by golly, this time socialism will work.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:18 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:55 am
There's nothing center-left about the Democratic Party.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

According to the V-Dem Institute in Sweden, the GQP has gotten increasingly extreme over time. While donks have been fairly static, ranking consistently alongside other countries' "normal" parties, the GOP has gotten dramatically more illiberal and radical in their rhetoric (the Tea Party and Trump being major catalysts). They're now most similar to Europe's far-right parties (ex. UKIP, National Front, AfD, Fidesz, Lega Nord, and Golden Dawn). Dems are closer to 1982 Republicanism than anything the GQP is producing.

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Harvard found similar results: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... horitarian

You "enlightened" centrists need to stop thinking both parties are remotely the same.
Donks have NOT been static...if you think an increasingly more intolerant, illiberal and violent swing to the left is "static" and refuse to look at the facts then there really is no point in even discussing this. There's nothing static about either party but to say the Democrat Party of of AOC/Bernie/The Squad is the Democratic Party of Clinton or Obama is just inaccurate.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:43 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:49 am

I'm neither enlightened nor a centrist but I do try to have an open mind. You should try it sometime.
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Trip, you big blue bully.

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89Hen wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:58 pm Trip, you big blue bully.

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andy7171 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:38 am If the left is so moderate, why are they stuggling to reign in fellow D's to support their budget and debt limit extension>
Thanks for making my point. One party is a diverse coalition with many different view points (aka. good democracy).

The other is loyal to one thing and it's not the United States.

At this point I think the GQP simply wants to the see the country burn and own the libs. That's the platform.
You are right - the parties are not remotely the same.

Their extremes have precisely the same endpoints though - and that is what you fail to grasp.

Fortunately, moderates still decide elections in this country for now, and they will reliably lean towards the least extreme of the two sides


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89Hen wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:58 pm Trip, you big blue bully.

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:rofl: :rofl:

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SDHornet wrote:Watching Trip spin down the doldrums of going full illiberal retard is quite the entertainment. :lol:
I’ve been seeing this from a lot of the illiberals lately...

The current administration is an unmitigated disaster, the entire legislative agenda is teetering (good - way too much poorly directed money), no bench, and they see what is coming in the next couple elections so they are angry and lashing out


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CID1990 wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:40 am
SDHornet wrote:Watching Trip spin down the doldrums of going full illiberal retard is quite the entertainment. :lol:
I’ve been seeing this from a lot of the illiberals lately...

The current administration is an unmitigated disaster, the entire legislative agenda is teetering (good - way too much poorly directed money), no bench, and they see what is coming in the next couple elections so they are angry and lashing out


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This may be true but the pandemic, Trump and loyalty to Trump are serious wildcards.
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kalm wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:11 am
CID1990 wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:40 am
I’ve been seeing this from a lot of the illiberals lately...

The current administration is an unmitigated disaster, the entire legislative agenda is teetering (good - way too much poorly directed money), no bench, and they see what is coming in the next couple elections so they are angry and lashing out


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This may be true but the pandemic, Trump and loyalty to Trump are serious wildcards.
Eh, the pandemic is waning in terms of impact on the politics. People are still going to die, so don't think I'm understating this, but for most people it's life as usual, except for needing to wear masks every now and then or needing a vaccination card in certain settings. Sports stadiums are packed, restaurants that made it through are open, movies are back in swing, schools are in person all 5 days, etc. Mandates, when they happen, are going to be largely privately driven now - I don't see the OSHA angle moving forward, so mandates will happen business by business. Politically, it won't mean much anymore.

You're right about Trump being a wildcard - if he runs again there's a very good chance he doesn't win again. The GOP would be shooting themselves in the foot having him run, but hey, it happens.

The other wildcard is how badly does Biden continue to do. Some of the screwups are temporary (i.e. pissing off the French), but others could keep coming back to haunt him (i.e. terrorists coming out of Afghanistan, inflation staying at the elevated levels it is now, etc). At some point you have to wonder when the Dems cut bait with Biden and either talk him into resigning or forcing him out - I see that happening no later than after the midterms, but maybe they do it or are forced to do it sooner if his mental capacity continues to slide.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:19 am
kalm wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:11 am

This may be true but the pandemic, Trump and loyalty to Trump are serious wildcards.
Eh, the pandemic is waning in terms of impact on the politics. People are still going to die, so don't think I'm understating this, but for most people it's life as usual, except for needing to wear masks every now and then or needing a vaccination card in certain settings. Sports stadiums are packed, restaurants that made it through are open, movies are back in swing, schools are in person all 5 days, etc. Mandates, when they happen, are going to be largely privately driven now - I don't see the OSHA angle moving forward, so mandates will happen business by business. Politically, it won't mean much anymore.

You're right about Trump being a wildcard - if he runs again there's a very good chance he doesn't win again. The GOP would be shooting themselves in the foot having him run, but hey, it happens.

The other wildcard is how badly does Biden continue to do. Some of the screwups are temporary (i.e. pissing off the French), but others could keep coming back to haunt him (i.e. terrorists coming out of Afghanistan, inflation staying at the elevated levels it is now, etc). At some point you have to wonder when the Dems cut bait with Biden and either talk him into resigning or forcing him out - I see that happening no later than after the midterms, but maybe they do it or are forced to do it sooner if his mental capacity continues to slide.
Disagree. Even the pandemic waning has implications…both domestically and internationally regarding economics and faith in institutions among other things. I still think we are seeing a massive shift culturally and politically in real time.
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