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Legit Concerns or Whiny Petulence?

Post by kalm »

Loads to unpack here with significant implications for trade, FP, and the elections.

America....WE’RE NUMBER........31?

Ok well at least top 40.


“Traditionally a leader in times of crisis, the U.S. is practicing self-isolation
Thu., March 26, 2020

By Liz Sly, Michael Birnbaum and Karen Deyoung
Washington Post


BEIRUT - As America’s rivals make gestures of support for other nations stricken by the coronavirus, the United States is losing its traditional leadership role abroad at the same moment that it’s struggling to contain the virus at home, analysts say.

At a time of crisis when the world would typically look to the richest and most powerful nation, the United States has instead retreated into its own form of self-isolation, with its president downplaying the severity of the threat and top American officials squabbling among themselves.

Instead, the United States’ rivals, notably China and to a lesser extent Russia, have been stepping up to offer aid to other stricken nations, a role long fulfilled by the United States in crises stretching back to World War II.”


https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/ ... -the-us-i/
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Nobody claims that China is doing this foreign aid for altruistic reasons. The article itself points out that the Reds are seeking to “fill a vacuum” left by its chief rival, the USA.

That said, we’ve had enough China-bashing. The USA needs to take care of its own first, and, with all the cases on our hands and the lack of preparedness, that’s a tall order. If we can be reasonably certain of our own supply chain, at some point in the intermediate term we can shift our focus to what others need.
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Re: Legit Concerns or Whiny Petulence?

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I would like to bring forth the motion that in addition to discussing the linked article, with respect to the thread title, we also add the OP as an addendum to the same discussion. :coffee:

Also: *Petulance

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kalm wrote:Loads to unpack here with significant implications for trade, FP, and the elections.

America....WE’RE NUMBER........31?

Ok well at least top 40.


“Traditionally a leader in times of crisis, the U.S. is practicing self-isolation
Thu., March 26, 2020

By Liz Sly, Michael Birnbaum and Karen Deyoung
Washington Post


BEIRUT - As America’s rivals make gestures of support for other nations stricken by the coronavirus, the United States is losing its traditional leadership role abroad at the same moment that it’s struggling to contain the virus at home, analysts say.

At a time of crisis when the world would typically look to the richest and most powerful nation, the United States has instead retreated into its own form of self-isolation, with its president downplaying the severity of the threat and top American officials squabbling among themselves.

Instead, the United States’ rivals, notably China and to a lesser extent Russia, have been stepping up to offer aid to other stricken nations, a role long fulfilled by the United States in crises stretching back to World War II.”


https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/ ... -the-us-i/
What an asinine, pestilential set of assertions

Every country is dealing with this thing in its own way. And fick anyone who thinks the US should somehow be a world “leader” when our own people are infected and dying. Fuck them

This is a China influenced fluff piece - guaranteed / WaPo is only in second place behind the NYT when it comes to Beijing yuan

Shame on you, klam. You’re a Chinese mouthpiece for trying to lend any credibility to this charnel house dungpile piece of shit article


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Re: Legit Concerns or Whiny Petulence?

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CID1990 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:12 am
kalm wrote:Loads to unpack here with significant implications for trade, FP, and the elections.

America....WE’RE NUMBER........31?

Ok well at least top 40.


“Traditionally a leader in times of crisis, the U.S. is practicing self-isolation
Thu., March 26, 2020

By Liz Sly, Michael Birnbaum and Karen Deyoung
Washington Post


BEIRUT - As America’s rivals make gestures of support for other nations stricken by the coronavirus, the United States is losing its traditional leadership role abroad at the same moment that it’s struggling to contain the virus at home, analysts say.

At a time of crisis when the world would typically look to the richest and most powerful nation, the United States has instead retreated into its own form of self-isolation, with its president downplaying the severity of the threat and top American officials squabbling among themselves.

Instead, the United States’ rivals, notably China and to a lesser extent Russia, have been stepping up to offer aid to other stricken nations, a role long fulfilled by the United States in crises stretching back to World War II.”


https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/ ... -the-us-i/
What an asinine, pestilential set of assertions

Every country is dealing with this thing in its own way. And fick anyone who thinks the US should somehow be a world “leader” when our own people are infected and dying. Fuck them

This is a China influenced fluff piece - guaranteed / WaPo is only in second place behind the NYT when it comes to Beijing yuan

Shame on you, klam. You’re a Chinese mouthpiece for trying to lend any credibility to this charnel house dungpile piece of shit article


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:lol:

You’re the primary reason I posted it. I like smart opinions, and wondered if this might be the response.

Irregardless...it still raises some interesting questions, no?

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What Ivy said. Mine was along the same lines, his sounds a lot better.

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kalm wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:16 am
CID1990 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:12 am

What an asinine, pestilential set of assertions

Every country is dealing with this thing in its own way. And fick anyone who thinks the US should somehow be a world “leader” when our own people are infected and dying. Fuck them

This is a China influenced fluff piece - guaranteed / WaPo is only in second place behind the NYT when it comes to Beijing yuan

Shame on you, klam. You’re a Chinese mouthpiece for trying to lend any credibility to this charnel house dungpile piece of shit article


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:lol:

You’re the primary reason I posted it. I like smart opinions, and wondered if this might be the response.

Irregardless...it still raises some interesting questions, no?

;)
*regardless :roll:
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CID1990 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:12 am
kalm wrote:Loads to unpack here with significant implications for trade, FP, and the elections.

America....WE’RE NUMBER........31?

Ok well at least top 40.


“Traditionally a leader in times of crisis, the U.S. is practicing self-isolation
Thu., March 26, 2020

By Liz Sly, Michael Birnbaum and Karen Deyoung
Washington Post


BEIRUT - As America’s rivals make gestures of support for other nations stricken by the coronavirus, the United States is losing its traditional leadership role abroad at the same moment that it’s struggling to contain the virus at home, analysts say.

At a time of crisis when the world would typically look to the richest and most powerful nation, the United States has instead retreated into its own form of self-isolation, with its president downplaying the severity of the threat and top American officials squabbling among themselves.

Instead, the United States’ rivals, notably China and to a lesser extent Russia, have been stepping up to offer aid to other stricken nations, a role long fulfilled by the United States in crises stretching back to World War II.”


https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/ ... -the-us-i/
What an asinine, pestilential set of assertions

Every country is dealing with this thing in its own way. And fick anyone who thinks the US should somehow be a world “leader” when our own people are infected and dying. Fuck them

This is a China influenced fluff piece - guaranteed / WaPo is only in second place behind the NYT when it comes to Beijing yuan

Shame on you, klam. You’re a Chinese mouthpiece for trying to lend any credibility to this charnel house dungpile piece of shit article


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This.

Fuck China.

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kalm wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:16 am
CID1990 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:12 am

What an asinine, pestilential set of assertions

Every country is dealing with this thing in its own way. And fick anyone who thinks the US should somehow be a world “leader” when our own people are infected and dying. Fuck them

This is a China influenced fluff piece - guaranteed / WaPo is only in second place behind the NYT when it comes to Beijing yuan

Shame on you, klam. You’re a Chinese mouthpiece for trying to lend any credibility to this charnel house dungpile piece of shit article


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:lol:

You’re the primary reason I posted it. I like smart opinions, and wondered if this might be the response.

Irregardless...it still raises some interesting questions, no?

;)
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SDHornet wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:37 am
CID1990 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:12 am

What an asinine, pestilential set of assertions

Every country is dealing with this thing in its own way. And fick anyone who thinks the US should somehow be a world “leader” when our own people are infected and dying. Fuck them

This is a China influenced fluff piece - guaranteed / WaPo is only in second place behind the NYT when it comes to Beijing yuan

Shame on you, klam. You’re a Chinese mouthpiece for trying to lend any credibility to this charnel house dungpile piece of shit article


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This.

Fuck China.
Don't talk to your banker that way, you may be needing him fairly soon. :ohno:
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Chizzang wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:48 am
and yet
we willingly surrendered our manufacturing prowess and engineering advantages to China
for Wall Street

These chickens are still making their way home
:nod: It would be nice to see this change. If it ever were going to change, now (or in the very near future) would be the time to do so.

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houndawg wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:49 am
SDHornet wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:37 am


This.

Fuck China.
Don't talk to your banker that way, you may be needing him fairly soon. :ohno:
What do Joos have to do with this?

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Ivytalk wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:32 am
kalm wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:16 am


:lol:

You’re the primary reason I posted it. I like smart opinions, and wondered if this might be the response.

Irregardless...it still raises some interesting questions, no?

;)
*regardless :roll:
It’s CID’s #1...that’s why I did it...to annoy him, and also probably why he didn’t reply.

And also I used the wink emoji.

JFC, what a bunch of old turds.... :ohno:
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SDHornet wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:50 am
houndawg wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:49 am


Don't talk to your banker that way, you may be needing him fairly soon. :ohno:
What do Joos have to do with this?
lol.....that was pretty feeble...take more time and you'll
do a better job
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CID1990 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:12 am
kalm wrote:Loads to unpack here with significant implications for trade, FP, and the elections.

America....WE’RE NUMBER........31?

Ok well at least top 40.


“Traditionally a leader in times of crisis, the U.S. is practicing self-isolation
Thu., March 26, 2020

By Liz Sly, Michael Birnbaum and Karen Deyoung
Washington Post


BEIRUT - As America’s rivals make gestures of support for other nations stricken by the coronavirus, the United States is losing its traditional leadership role abroad at the same moment that it’s struggling to contain the virus at home, analysts say.

At a time of crisis when the world would typically look to the richest and most powerful nation, the United States has instead retreated into its own form of self-isolation, with its president downplaying the severity of the threat and top American officials squabbling among themselves.

Instead, the United States’ rivals, notably China and to a lesser extent Russia, have been stepping up to offer aid to other stricken nations, a role long fulfilled by the United States in crises stretching back to World War II.”


https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/ ... -the-us-i/
What an asinine, pestilential set of assertions

Every country is dealing with this thing in its own way. And fick anyone who thinks the US should somehow be a world “leader” when our own people are infected and dying. Fuck them

This is a China influenced fluff piece - guaranteed / WaPo is only in second place behind the NYT when it comes to Beijing yuan

Shame on you, klam. You’re a Chinese mouthpiece for trying to lend any credibility to this charnel house dungpile piece of shit article

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The questions that haven't been asked ...

Why should the US take the lead on this? What has taking the lead gotten the US over the last 75 years? The US has, for the most part, made the world a better place but I think most of the world takes it for granted that the US and its taxpayers will help them out. Maybe it's time for the US to take a step back and for the rest of the world to find out about the real price of Chinese "benevolence".

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UNI88 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:46 am
CID1990 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:12 am

What an asinine, pestilential set of assertions

Every country is dealing with this thing in its own way. And fick anyone who thinks the US should somehow be a world “leader” when our own people are infected and dying. Fuck them

This is a China influenced fluff piece - guaranteed / WaPo is only in second place behind the NYT when it comes to Beijing yuan

Shame on you, klam. You’re a Chinese mouthpiece for trying to lend any credibility to this charnel house dungpile piece of shit article

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The questions that haven't been asked ...

Why should the US take the lead on this? What has taking the lead gotten the US over the last 75 years? The US has, for the most part, made the world a better place but I think most of the world takes it for granted that the US and its taxpayers will help them out. Maybe it's time for the US to take a step back and for the rest of the world to find out about the real price of Chinese "benevolence".
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UNI88 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:46 am
CID1990 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:12 am

What an asinine, pestilential set of assertions

Every country is dealing with this thing in its own way. And fick anyone who thinks the US should somehow be a world “leader” when our own people are infected and dying. Fuck them

This is a China influenced fluff piece - guaranteed / WaPo is only in second place behind the NYT when it comes to Beijing yuan

Shame on you, klam. You’re a Chinese mouthpiece for trying to lend any credibility to this charnel house dungpile piece of shit article

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The questions that haven't been asked ...

Why should the US take the lead on this? What has taking the lead gotten the US over the last 75 years? The US has, for the most part, made the world a better place but I think most of the world takes it for granted that the US and its taxpayers will help them out. Maybe it's time for the US to take a step back and for the rest of the world to find out about the real price of Chinese "benevolence".
Great point! Strip aside the emotions and consider the long term ramifications of all this from a reasoned and logical perspective. This is EXACTLY the direction I hoped this discussion would go towards. :nod:
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SDHornet wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:37 am
CID1990 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:12 am

What an asinine, pestilential set of assertions

Every country is dealing with this thing in its own way. And fick anyone who thinks the US should somehow be a world “leader” when our own people are infected and dying. Fuck them

This is a China influenced fluff piece - guaranteed / WaPo is only in second place behind the NYT when it comes to Beijing yuan

Shame on you, klam. You’re a Chinese mouthpiece for trying to lend any credibility to this charnel house dungpile piece of shit article


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This.

Fuck China.
Yep. Fuck China.

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The war on this virus will go on after we all go back about our business as usual, and I guaran-damn-tee you it'll be mostly American-developed tests, treatments, and vaccines that are used. We may not be able to manufacture jack schit but America is without a doubt the center of medical innovation. It for damn sure will not be Chinese crap we'll be using to contain the spread of the virus.
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Pwns wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:28 am
The war on this virus will go on after we all go back about our business as usual, and I guaran-damn-tee you it'll be mostly American-developed tests, treatments, and vaccines that are used. We may not be able to manufacture jack schit but America is without a doubt the center of medical innovation. It for damn sure will not be Chinese crap we'll be using to contain the spread of the virus.
Could be a European treatment that wins the race. There are a number of good Euro drug companies out there. Companies working on treatments are probably working on one or two treatments at most at a time within similar platforms. It's a shotgun start. Most will miss the target. Some will hit it at varying distances from the center.

Wild ass guess, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is a combination of drugs that become the standard of care. At least one of them probably already exists. And the others will be developed from existing drug designs with slight modifications. The trick is finding the right modifications and combining them with the right existing drugs.

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kalm wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:59 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:32 am


*regardless :roll:
It’s CID’s #1...that’s why I did it...to annoy him, and also probably why he didn’t reply.

And also I used the wink emoji.

JFC, what a bunch of old turds.... :ohno:
Piss off. My initial response was reasoned and concise.
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Ivytalk wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:41 pm
kalm wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:59 am


It’s CID’s #1...that’s why I did it...to annoy him, and also probably why he didn’t reply.

And also I used the wink emoji.

JFC, what a bunch of old turds.... :ohno:
Piss off. My initial response was reasoned and concise.
It was. That’s why I wasn’t replying to that one.

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kalm wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:01 pm
Ivytalk wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:41 pm


Piss off. My initial response was reasoned and concise.
It was. That’s why I wasn’t replying to that one.

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But I am not an old turd!!! :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

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Pwns wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:28 am
The war on this virus will go on after we all go back about our business as usual, and I guaran-damn-tee you it'll be mostly American-developed tests, treatments, and vaccines that are used. We may not be able to manufacture jack schit but America is without a doubt the center of medical innovation. It for damn sure will not be Chinese crap we'll be using to contain the spread of the virus.
Been reading on fringe sites the Chinese tests suck. Not sure if it's true yet, but if it is, that would already align with what you are saying.
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