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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:30 pm They both identify as polyamory...
Here's the problem I have with this generation Trip. That's always existed. I find it rather ironic that people who hate being mislabeled, come up with new labels that they insist on calling themselves. Why does somebody have to announce they are not monogamous? Similarly, if you are feminine man, be a feminine man. Why do you need to be a fauxgender? :coffee:
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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:30 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:16 pm
There is a huge difference between making a spectacle of idiots and shaming people who you disagree with or worse costing them their livelihoods. Liberals only want to stand up for the downtrodden when they are likely to vote for them. A partisan hack is a partisan hack regardless of their ideology.

There are plenty of idiots on both sides of the aisle - MTG, Gaetz, Waters, AOChe, etc. but you want to reserve the label for those you disagree with. BDKaren does the same thing but his opinions are the reverse of yours.
Welcome to the game of life.

I post here knowing I'll be labeled an idiot. That's fine. Its a consequence of my action, hoping I can change a mind or two.

Life is only a larger version of this forum. There's many things I can say and do, but some will cost me my livelihood. And if I haven't changed with the times, that's on me.

I'll give you a recent example. I was having dinner with my 21yo cousin and her friend on Monday. They both identify as polyamory and non-binary, something I probably would have (at minimum) smirked at just a few years ago. But I didn't because the times had changed and I had learned identity is particularly important to her generation. Instead I asked her what non-binary meant (I knew of course) and it ended up being an awesome conversation and she felt great that she taught me something.

What would have happened if I laughed? Been ostracized by my cousin? Maybe ended up on social media (I mean our entire dinner was basically TikToked)? In the end, adapt and survive.
None of this means that Waters, AOChe, etc. aren't just as big of idiots as MTG, Gaetz, etc. IMO they are.

My philosophy towards gender and identity is twofold:
1) On a professional level, it's none of my business.
2) On a personal level, I want people to be themselves and be happy with who they are.

You can identify in whatever way you want and I will do my best to respect that but I'm in my mid-50's and I might slip up occasionally. Should I be made a spectacle of or lose my livelihood over a slip-up?

I question how you prioritize justice and consequences when you think that people who have been convicted of violent crimes have gotten a raw deal but you want to run roughshod over people who hurt someone's feelings.
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89Hen wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:54 pm
∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:30 pm They both identify as polyamory...
Here's the problem I have with this generation Trip. That's always existed. I find it rather ironic that people who hate being mislabeled, come up with new labels that they insist on calling themselves. Why does somebody have to announce they are not monogamous? Similarly, if you are feminine man, be a feminine man. Why do you need to be a fauxgender? :coffee:
First of all, it's not a "problem" that hurts anyone.

Second, I'd be cautious with that argument. I don't think they're new labels as much as labels which were hidden to due to societal stigmas. Maybe not the exact labels, but nonetheless labels which weren't discussed.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:59 pm My philosophy towards gender and identity is twofold:
1) On a professional level, it's none of my business.
2) On a personal level, I want people to be themselves and be happy with who they are.

You can identify in whatever way you want and I will do my best to respect that but I'm in my mid-50's and I might slip up occasionally. Should I be made a spectacle of or lose my livelihood over a slip-up?
I'm almost there with you, but mine are not always "slip-ups". I don't give a rats ass how somebody wants to dress, how they want to act, who they want to screw.... but if you start insisting others conform to them... then they're no better than somebody who is bigoted against them.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:02 pm
89Hen wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:54 pm

Here's the problem I have with this generation Trip. That's always existed. I find it rather ironic that people who hate being mislabeled, come up with new labels that they insist on calling themselves. Why does somebody have to announce they are not monogamous? Similarly, if you are feminine man, be a feminine man. Why do you need to be a fauxgender? :coffee:
First of all, it's not a "problem" that hurts anyone.

Second, I'd be cautious with that argument. I don't think they're new labels as much as labels which were hidden to due to societal stigmas. Maybe not the exact labels, but nonetheless labels which weren't discussed.
It's headed that way Trip (a problem that can hurt someone). Watch some Jordan Peterson clips to see what's going on in Canada. Here's a hint... Why would I need to be "cautious"?
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kalm wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:03 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:37 pm The Satanic Temple is amazing. It and the Church of the FSM are probably the only two "religious" groups I'd ever join.

Church of Satan is an insane cult though.
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Tenets of the Satanic Church…


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One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

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The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
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One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

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The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

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Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

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People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

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Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Welp, Trip is out with that one. Homeboy can't even read basic vax rates by demographic. :lol:
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89Hen wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:05 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:59 pm My philosophy towards gender and identity is twofold:
1) On a professional level, it's none of my business.
2) On a personal level, I want people to be themselves and be happy with who they are.

You can identify in whatever way you want and I will do my best to respect that but I'm in my mid-50's and I might slip up occasionally. Should I be made a spectacle of or lose my livelihood over a slip-up?
I'm almost there with you, but mine are not always "slip-ups". I don't give a rats ass how somebody wants to dress, how they want to act, who they want to screw.... but if you start insisting others conform to them... then they're no better than somebody who is bigoted against them.
This. I think most people don't give a flying fuck what they do with their lives, but it was that change from "tolerance" to "acceptance" and the forceful interjection of that "acceptance" that got us to where we are.

Also none of this has to do with China...well I guess it does in a sense in that anyone pushing "acceptance" of something contrary to the party line ends up in a gulag.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:59 pm
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Welcome to the game of life.

I post here knowing I'll be labeled an idiot. That's fine. Its a consequence of my action, hoping I can change a mind or two.

Life is only a larger version of this forum. There's many things I can say and do, but some will cost me my livelihood. And if I haven't changed with the times, that's on me.

I'll give you a recent example. I was having dinner with my 21yo cousin and her friend on Monday. They both identify as polyamory and non-binary, something I probably would have (at minimum) smirked at just a few years ago. But I didn't because the times had changed and I had learned identity is particularly important to her generation. Instead I asked her what non-binary meant (I knew of course) and it ended up being an awesome conversation and she felt great that she taught me something.

What would have happened if I laughed? Been ostracized by my cousin? Maybe ended up on social media (I mean our entire dinner was basically TikToked)? In the end, adapt and survive.
None of this means that Waters, AOChe, etc. aren't just as big of idiots as MTG, Gaetz, etc. IMO they are.

My philosophy towards gender and identity is twofold:
1) On a professional level, it's none of my business.
2) On a personal level, I want people to be themselves and be happy with who they are.

You can identify in whatever way you want and I will do my best to respect that but I'm in my mid-50's and I might slip up occasionally. Should I be made a spectacle of or lose my livelihood over a slip-up?

I question how you prioritize justice and consequences when you think that people who have been convicted of violent crimes have gotten a raw deal but you want to run roughshod over people who hurt someone's feelings.
:nod:

I’m at peace with the changes. Doesn’t mean I agree or like them. It’s just what cultures tend to do. I also reserve the right to be curmudgeonly at times.

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SDHornet wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:46 pm
89Hen wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:05 pm

I'm almost there with you, but mine are not always "slip-ups". I don't give a rats ass how somebody wants to dress, how they want to act, who they want to screw.... but if you start insisting others conform to them... then they're no better than somebody who is bigoted against them.
This. I think most people don't give a flying fuck what they do with their lives, but it was that change from "tolerance" to "acceptance" and the forceful interjection of that "acceptance" that got us to where we are.

Also none of this has to do with China...well I guess it does in a sense in that anyone pushing "acceptance" of something contrary to the party line ends up in a gulag.
I am. I do not give a rat ass what somebody wants to identify as. As soon as you start making a case for "forceful" interjection I will happily do what I can to point out their hypocrisy and generally be a complete sarcastic ass.

Most that I have ran across are looking for attention and have a "look at me" attitude. The ones that are truly comfortable and are just themselves, are much more polite and have the same wants as I do. To be left alone to live life and not told how to live every second of it.
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..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
..But you have to go home now. We have to have peace…
..I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace.
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I called it within 6 years, 2 years ago.

We’ll see (like the old man said)

Whether we defend Taiwan or not doesn’t matter... (we can’t- China is more advanced and owns the airspace)

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I didn't think it would be this soon, but I could see them wanting to get it done now with Biden in the White House. Granted, America has a penchant for doubling down on mediocrity, but you'll probably not have a more neutered American foreign policy in control as you do now so it makes the perfect time for China to pull the trigger on Taiwan.
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:58 am I didn't think it would be this soon, but I could see them wanting to get it done now with Biden in the White House. Granted, America has a penchant for doubling down on mediocrity, but you'll probably not have a more neutered American foreign policy in control as you do now so it makes the perfect time for China to pull the trigger on Taiwan.
Exactly. When are their olympics, again? I anticipate bombing to begin as closing ceremonies are wrapping up.
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I bet Biden is working on a strongly worded letter as we speak.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:42 am
GannonFan wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:58 am I didn't think it would be this soon, but I could see them wanting to get it done now with Biden in the White House. Granted, America has a penchant for doubling down on mediocrity, but you'll probably not have a more neutered American foreign policy in control as you do now so it makes the perfect time for China to pull the trigger on Taiwan.
Exactly. When are their olympics, again? I anticipate bombing to begin as closing ceremonies are wrapping up.
That would put it to around March 1st, 2022. Someone should call Taiwan and let them know.
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:56 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:42 am

Exactly. When are their olympics, again? I anticipate bombing to begin as closing ceremonies are wrapping up.
That would put it to around March 1st, 2022. Someone should give Taiwan a nuke for one last FU to the CCP & PLA.
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89Hen wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:05 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:59 pm My philosophy towards gender and identity is twofold:
1) On a professional level, it's none of my business.
2) On a personal level, I want people to be themselves and be happy with who they are.

You can identify in whatever way you want and I will do my best to respect that but I'm in my mid-50's and I might slip up occasionally. Should I be made a spectacle of or lose my livelihood over a slip-up?
I'm almost there with you, but mine are not always "slip-ups". I don't give a rats ass how somebody wants to dress, how they want to act, who they want to screw.... but if you start insisting others conform to them... then they're no better than somebody who is bigoted against them.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:45 am I bet Biden is working on a strongly worded letter as we speak.
Yeah, a letter chastising any in the American public who would deign to criticize the Chinese actions.
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GannonFan wrote:I didn't think it would be this soon, but I could see them wanting to get it done now with Biden in the White House. Granted, America has a penchant for doubling down on mediocrity, but you'll probably not have a more neutered American foreign policy in control as you do now so it makes the perfect time for China to pull the trigger on Taiwan.
Xi has wedded his political legacy to “reunification”. He says it out loud, and so do the “wolf diplomats” and state media. They are going to cash that check - they have whipped up enough nationalist fervor that it would be a devastating blow to the CCP to NOT make a play.


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CID1990 wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:41 pm
GannonFan wrote:I didn't think it would be this soon, but I could see them wanting to get it done now with Biden in the White House. Granted, America has a penchant for doubling down on mediocrity, but you'll probably not have a more neutered American foreign policy in control as you do now so it makes the perfect time for China to pull the trigger on Taiwan.
Xi has wedded his political legacy to “reunification”. He says it out loud, and so do the “wolf diplomats” and state media. They are going to cash that check - they have whipped up enough nationalist fervor that it would be a devastating blow to the CCP to NOT make a play.


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So, do you think Taiwan has any chance to hold them off? How do you see it playing out?
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:33 am
CID1990 wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:41 pm
Xi has wedded his political legacy to “reunification”. He says it out loud, and so do the “wolf diplomats” and state media. They are going to cash that check - they have whipped up enough nationalist fervor that it would be a devastating blow to the CCP to NOT make a play.


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So, do you think Taiwan has any chance to hold them off? How do you see it playing out?
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CID1990 wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:41 pm
GannonFan wrote:I didn't think it would be this soon, but I could see them wanting to get it done now with Biden in the White House. Granted, America has a penchant for doubling down on mediocrity, but you'll probably not have a more neutered American foreign policy in control as you do now so it makes the perfect time for China to pull the trigger on Taiwan.
Xi has wedded his political legacy to “reunification”. He says it out loud, and so do the “wolf diplomats” and state media. They are going to cash that check - they have whipped up enough nationalist fervor that it would be a devastating blow to the CCP to NOT make a play.


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Well at the least the Taiwanese whould be able to bloody them before falling, no (like the Russians/Finns in 1939-1940)? I thought we had sold a lot of top shelf stuff to the Taiwanese over the years.
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CID1990 wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:41 pm
GannonFan wrote:I didn't think it would be this soon, but I could see them wanting to get it done now with Biden in the White House. Granted, America has a penchant for doubling down on mediocrity, but you'll probably not have a more neutered American foreign policy in control as you do now so it makes the perfect time for China to pull the trigger on Taiwan.
Xi has wedded his political legacy to “reunification”. He says it out loud, and so do the “wolf diplomats” and state media. They are going to cash that check - they have whipped up enough nationalist fervor that it would be a devastating blow to the CCP to NOT make a play.
But ... Biden says he and China's Xi agree to abide by Taiwan agreement
"I've spoken with Xi about Taiwan. We agree ... we'll abide by the Taiwan agreement," he said. "We made it clear that I don't think he should be doing anything other than abiding by the agreement."
Who's buying this?
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