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Winterborn wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:06 pm
Better not make the plane ticket a round trip. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:58 pm
Winterborn wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:06 pm

Better not make the plane ticket a round trip. :coffee:
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'We Face Very Tough Challenges.' How Mongolia Typifies the Problems Posed to Small Countries by China's Rise
Elbegdorj’s U-turn regarding his southern neighbor spotlights both China’s increasingly aggressive regional posture as well as the difficulties smaller nations face when confronting a superpower they’re ever more reliant upon for economic development. (China currently buys around 90% of all Mongolian exports.) How will they choose between democratic values and prosperity as the world coalesces into rival camps behind Washington and Beijing?
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UNI88 wrote:'We Face Very Tough Challenges.' How Mongolia Typifies the Problems Posed to Small Countries by China's Rise
Elbegdorj’s U-turn regarding his southern neighbor spotlights both China’s increasingly aggressive regional posture as well as the difficulties smaller nations face when confronting a superpower they’re ever more reliant upon for economic development. (China currently buys around 90% of all Mongolian exports.) How will they choose between democratic values and prosperity as the world coalesces into rival camps behind Washington and Beijing?
Nobody remembers Tibet anymore. And in 20 years nobody will remember Xinjiang or Hong Kong. They’ll just be parts of China, like Tibet.

And then nobody will remember Taiwan... by the time Taiwan falls we’ll all be afraid to say the word “invasion” because its a racist dog whistle against Chinese people. “Reunification” will be approved word, reinforced for us by NBA stars and Hollywood and various media scolds who know who writes the checks.

But we’ll be fine. There will be plenty of jobs in America after that - we’ll have factories galore, turning out rubber dogshit and plastic chairs at sweat shop wages for our masters. Our immigration problems will be solved too


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CID1990 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:01 pm
Nobody remembers Tibet anymore. And in 20 years nobody will remember Xinjiang or Hong Kong. They’ll just be parts of China, like Tibet.

And then nobody will remember Taiwan... by the time Taiwan falls we’ll all be afraid to say the word “invasion” because its a racist dog whistle against Chinese people. “Reunification” will be approved word, reinforced for us by NBA stars and Hollywood and various media scolds who know who writes the checks.

But we’ll be fine. There will be plenty of jobs in America after that - we’ll have factories galore, turning out rubber dogshit and plastic chairs at sweat shop wages for our masters. Our immigration problems will be solved too


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Winterborn wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:43 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:58 pm

:nod:

China with Mao was the state with the plan:
“Great Leap Forward,” which needs every woman and man.
But leaped to nowhere! Sixty million graves filled,
The greatest mass-murder, yes, socialism kills.
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Excerpt from Socialism Kills by David Welch
:rofl:

Dude. They're handing us our economic asses and are on the ascendant while we piss away our money on wars to subsidize oil. We have zero chance of remaining on top without nuking them. The irony of the Red Chinese beating us at our own game is not lost on anybody but you and BDMBFK. :coffee:
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houndawg wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:02 pm
Winterborn wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:43 pm
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China with Mao was the state with the plan:
“Great Leap Forward,” which needs every woman and man.
But leaped to nowhere! Sixty million graves filled,
The greatest mass-murder, yes, socialism kills.
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Excerpt from Socialism Kills by David Welch
:rofl:

Dude. They're handing us our economic asses and are on the ascendant while we piss away our money on wars to subsidize oil. We have zero chance of remaining on top without nuking them. The irony of the Red Chinese beating us at our own game is not lost on anybody but you and BDMBFK. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:19 pm
houndawg wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:02 pm

:rofl:

Dude. They're handing us our economic asses and are on the ascendant while we piss away our money on wars to subsidize oil. We have zero chance of remaining on top without nuking them. The irony of the Red Chinese beating us at our own game is not lost on anybody but you and BDMBFK. :coffee:
It's a HoundiError drive-by ...
Don't let reality get in the way of a baseless houndy rant. It's what he does. :rofl:
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CID1990 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:01 pm
Nobody remembers Tibet anymore. And in 20 years nobody will remember Xinjiang or Hong Kong. They’ll just be parts of China, like Tibet.

And then nobody will remember Taiwan... by the time Taiwan falls we’ll all be afraid to say the word “invasion” because its a racist dog whistle against Chinese people. “Reunification” will be approved word, reinforced for us by NBA stars and Hollywood and various media scolds who know who writes the checks.

But we’ll be fine. There will be plenty of jobs in America after that - we’ll have factories galore, turning out rubber dogshit and plastic chairs at sweat shop wages for our masters. Our immigration problems will be solved too


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Probably should have paid more attention to the fair trade advocates and kept more manufacturing here.
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:57 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:19 pm
It's a HoundiError drive-by ...
Don't let reality get in the way of a baseless houndy rant. It's what he does. :rofl:
:lol: He's like a goose. Flies in, drops a couple of turds and flies off.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:19 pm
houndawg wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:02 pm

:rofl:

Dude. They're handing us our economic asses and are on the ascendant while we piss away our money on wars to subsidize oil. We have zero chance of remaining on top without nuking them. The irony of the Red Chinese beating us at our own game is not lost on anybody but you and BDMBFK. :coffee:
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:11 am
CID1990 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:01 pm
Nobody remembers Tibet anymore. And in 20 years nobody will remember Xinjiang or Hong Kong. They’ll just be parts of China, like Tibet.

And then nobody will remember Taiwan... by the time Taiwan falls we’ll all be afraid to say the word “invasion” because its a racist dog whistle against Chinese people. “Reunification” will be approved word, reinforced for us by NBA stars and Hollywood and various media scolds who know who writes the checks.

But we’ll be fine. There will be plenty of jobs in America after that - we’ll have factories galore, turning out rubber dogshit and plastic chairs at sweat shop wages for our masters. Our immigration problems will be solved too


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Probably should have paid more attention to the fair trade advocates and kept more manufacturing here.
Probably should've paid more attention to the free trade advocates and stopped vilifying corporations and raising the corporate tax so much higher than other nations. :coffee:
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:57 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:11 am

Probably should have paid more attention to the fair trade advocates and kept more manufacturing here.
Probably should've paid more attention to the free trade advocates and stopped vilifying corporations and raising the corporate tax so much higher than other nations. :coffee:
Yeah...let’s allow the corporations to write our trade policy. It’s worked out so well... :lol:
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:15 am
GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:57 am

Probably should've paid more attention to the free trade advocates and stopped vilifying corporations and raising the corporate tax so much higher than other nations. :coffee:
Yeah...let’s allow the corporations to write our trade policy. It’s worked out so well... :lol:
See, there you go, keep up the vilification. No hyperbole there. :rofl:

This idea that "corporations" are the enemy gets us nowhere - tax-wise, policy-wise, etc. They are what they are, a collection of people producing some good or service that is sold to other people. We've seen what trying to single them out for higher tax rates do, it chases them to other, more tax friendly locales. They will always have a much bigger, and much better army of accountants than the government ever will. So take them out of the equation. Keep the corporate taxes low, instead tax the people themselves, and especially tax the higher income folks more, and make sure they can't hide compensation as something other than income. We do make a heckuva lotta stuff here in the States even in the weird environment we're in now, take out the game of cat and mouse with companies shopping for which locales have the best tax rate, and it'll be even better.
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:32 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:15 am

Yeah...let’s allow the corporations to write our trade policy. It’s worked out so well... :lol:
See, there you go, keep up the vilification. No hyperbole there. :rofl:

This idea that "corporations" are the enemy gets us nowhere - tax-wise, policy-wise, etc. They are what they are, a collection of people producing some good or service that is sold to other people. We've seen what trying to single them out for higher tax rates do, it chases them to other, more tax friendly locales. They will always have a much bigger, and much better army of accountants than the government ever will. So take them out of the equation. Keep the corporate taxes low, instead tax the people themselves, and especially tax the higher income folks more, and make sure they can't hide compensation as something other than income. We do make a heckuva lotta stuff here in the States even in the weird environment we're in now, take out the game of cat and mouse with companies shopping for which locales have the best tax rate, and it'll be even better.
Corporations are neutral. They will use and abuse governments as long as they are allowed. They are a legal fiction. Trade policy is supposed to benefit the nation. That may be advantageous to the country as a whole in some instances but clearly not all the time, especially in the long term.

IOW’s, you’re still losing this battle after all these years. :lol:
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:55 am
GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:32 am

See, there you go, keep up the vilification. No hyperbole there. :rofl:

This idea that "corporations" are the enemy gets us nowhere - tax-wise, policy-wise, etc. They are what they are, a collection of people producing some good or service that is sold to other people. We've seen what trying to single them out for higher tax rates do, it chases them to other, more tax friendly locales. They will always have a much bigger, and much better army of accountants than the government ever will. So take them out of the equation. Keep the corporate taxes low, instead tax the people themselves, and especially tax the higher income folks more, and make sure they can't hide compensation as something other than income. We do make a heckuva lotta stuff here in the States even in the weird environment we're in now, take out the game of cat and mouse with companies shopping for which locales have the best tax rate, and it'll be even better.
Corporations are neutral. They will use and abuse governments as long as they are allowed. They are a legal fiction. Trade policy is supposed to benefit the nation. That may be advantageous to the country as a whole in some instances but clearly not all the time, especially in the long term.

IOW’s, you’re still losing this battle after all these years. :lol:
Please, I'm not even sure you even know what the battle is, but by all means, continue to declare victory. :nod:
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:55 am
GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:32 am

See, there you go, keep up the vilification. No hyperbole there. :rofl:

This idea that "corporations" are the enemy gets us nowhere - tax-wise, policy-wise, etc. They are what they are, a collection of people producing some good or service that is sold to other people. We've seen what trying to single them out for higher tax rates do, it chases them to other, more tax friendly locales. They will always have a much bigger, and much better army of accountants than the government ever will. So take them out of the equation. Keep the corporate taxes low, instead tax the people themselves, and especially tax the higher income folks more, and make sure they can't hide compensation as something other than income. We do make a heckuva lotta stuff here in the States even in the weird environment we're in now, take out the game of cat and mouse with companies shopping for which locales have the best tax rate, and it'll be even better.
Corporations are neutral. They, like people, will use and abuse governments as long as they are allowed. They, like unions and the government itself, are a legal fiction. Trade policy is supposed to benefit the nation. That may be advantageous to the country as a whole in some instances but clearly not all the time, especially in the long term.

IOW’s, I'm still losing this battle after all these years. :lol:
Interesting ... :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:15 am
GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:57 am

Don't let reality get in the way of a baseless houndy rant. It's what he does. :rofl:
:lol: He's like a goose. Flies in, drops a couple of turds and flies off.
You still mad about the SIU game?
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houndierror wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:25 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:15 am
:lol: He's like a goose. Flies in, drops a couple of turds and flies off.
You still mad about the SIU game?
I'm naturally mellow and don't hold a grudge, unlike your AD and coach (throwing a :pissed: over ISUr & WIU). Maybe they need some of your weed. :D
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:56 pm
houndierror wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:25 pm

You still mad about the SIU game?
I'm naturally mellow and don't hold a grudge, unlike your AD and coach (throwing a :pissed: over ISUr & WIU). Maybe they need some of your weed. :D
They probably grow their own like everybody else. :coffee:
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houndawg wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:28 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:56 pm
I'm naturally mellow and don't hold a grudge, unlike your AD and coach (throwing a :pissed: over ISUr & WIU). Maybe they need some of your weed. :D
They probably grow their own like everybody else. :coffee:
Maybe they should smoke a little of it and mellow out. Maybe some bluegrass as well. They seem a little high strung and on the verge of a thumper.
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Analysis: Beijing huddles with friends, seeks to fracture U.S.-led ‘clique’
China is shoring up ties with autocratic partners like Russia and Iran, as well as economically dependent regional countries, while using sanctions and threats to try to fracture the alliances the United States is building against it.

Worryingly for Beijing, diplomats and analysts say, the Biden administration has got other democracies to toughen up to a rising, more globally assertive China on human rights and regional security issues like the disputed South China Sea.
Good to see Biden keeping the ball rolling after Trump gave it the big push. The ability to build alliances is one area where Biden will likely be better than Trump could have been.
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Agree, just due to him being more consistent in his message.

Though it also helps to have a fawning media praising your ever move.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:38 am Analysis: Beijing huddles with friends, seeks to fracture U.S.-led ‘clique’
China is shoring up ties with autocratic partners like Russia and Iran, as well as economically dependent regional countries, while using sanctions and threats to try to fracture the alliances the United States is building against it.

Worryingly for Beijing, diplomats and analysts say, the Biden administration has got other democracies to toughen up to a rising, more globally assertive China on human rights and regional security issues like the disputed South China Sea.
Good to see Biden keeping the ball rolling after Trump gave it the big push. The ability to build alliances is one area where Biden will likely be better than Trump could have been.
Didn't he just send "heels up" to court the Jap delegation?
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Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:47 am Agree, just due to him being more consistent in his message.

Though it also helps to have a fawning media praising your ever move.
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