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Blaming on partisanship suggests that both sides are equally to blame for the erosion of democratic norms. But greater commitment to abortion rights and free healthcare in the Democratic party isn't a threat to the foundations of democracy. The growing concentration of intolerant white voters in the GOP, on the other hand, has created a party which appears less and less committed to the democratic project. When faced with a choice between bigotry and democracy, too many Americans are embracing the first while abandoning the second.

Miller and Davis used information from the World Values Survey, a research project organized by a worldwide network of social scientists which polls individuals in numerous countries on a wide range of beliefs and values. Based on surveys from the United States, the authors found that white people who did not want to have immigrants or people of different races living next door to them were more likely to be supportive of authoritarianism. For instance, people who said they did not want to live next door to immigrants or to people of another race were more supportive of the idea of military rule, or of a strongman-type leader who could ignore legislatures and election results.

Chizzang wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:20 am Great... now I have to throw away that one brown shirt (fuck I liked that shirt)
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kalm wrote:Hey.....look! Both sides do it!

Strongman is strong...democracy bad.

Blaming on partisanship suggests that both sides are equally to blame for the erosion of democratic norms. But greater commitment to abortion rights and free healthcare in the Democratic party isn't a threat to the foundations of democracy. The growing concentration of intolerant white voters in the GOP, on the other hand, has created a party which appears less and less committed to the democratic project. When faced with a choice between bigotry and democracy, too many Americans are embracing the first while abandoning the second.

Miller and Davis used information from the World Values Survey, a research project organized by a worldwide network of social scientists which polls individuals in numerous countries on a wide range of beliefs and values. Based on surveys from the United States, the authors found that white people who did not want to have immigrants or people of different races living next door to them were more likely to be supportive of authoritarianism. For instance, people who said they did not want to live next door to immigrants or to people of another race were more supportive of the idea of military rule, or of a strongman-type leader who could ignore legislatures and election results.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna8 ... ssion=true

CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:49 am

kalm wrote:Hey.....look! Both sides do it!

Strongman is strong...democracy bad.



https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna8 ... ssion=true

I see NBC’s basically just openly trolling now

I don’t think anybody’s making compelling arguments that the “right” is conservative these days, klam

The GOP certainly has proven that they are not the repository of conservatism that they claim to be

But people polling one way or the other don’t bother me all that much. It’s the representatives they elect. And generally speaking when somebody is proposing to use government power to compel me to do something I don’t want to participate in, it is a Democrat 75% of the time

(Despite what polls of trailer parks in Arkansas say)

Pwns wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:58 pm No fvcks to give for this. The concern about "democratic norms" are from people who think the senate is undemocratic, who want to allocate their state's electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote, and who thinks being a sore loser is only dangerous when Trump does it (and not Stacey Abrams).

Chizzang wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 2:57 pm Pwns never fails to deliver

Chizzang wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 10:48 am

CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:49 am

I see NBC’s basically just openly trolling now

I don’t think anybody’s making compelling arguments that the “right” is conservative these days, klam

The GOP certainly has proven that they are not the repository of conservatism that they claim to be

But people polling one way or the other don’t bother me all that much. It’s the representatives they elect. And generally speaking when somebody is proposing to use government power to compel me to do something I don’t want to participate in, it is a Democrat 75% of the time

(Despite what polls of trailer parks in Arkansas say)

"I don't think anybody is making compelling arguments that the "right" is conservative these days"



Yet - there is an entire network with millions of viewers dedicated to that exact purpose
so could you be more specific please and define what it is exactly Fox News is promoting if it isn't conservatism ?



and could you explain how the most popular network in America is also somehow "not compelling"

Chizzang wrote:

CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:49 am I see NBC’s basically just openly trolling now

I don’t think anybody’s making compelling arguments that the “right” is conservative these days, klam

The GOP certainly has proven that they are not the repository of conservatism that they claim to be

But people polling one way or the other don’t bother me all that much. It’s the representatives they elect. And generally speaking when somebody is proposing to use government power to compel me to do something I don’t want to participate in, it is a Democrat 75% of the time

(Despite what polls of trailer parks in Arkansas say)

"I don't think anybody is making compelling arguments that the "right" is conservative these days"



Yet - there is an entire network with millions of viewers dedicated to that exact purpose
so could you be more specific please and define what it is exactly Fox News is promoting if it isn't conservatism ?



and could you explain how the most popular network in America is also somehow "not compelling"

CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:16 pm

Chizzang wrote:
"I don't think anybody is making compelling arguments that the "right" is conservative these days"



Yet - there is an entire network with millions of viewers dedicated to that exact purpose
so could you be more specific please and define what it is exactly Fox News is promoting if it isn't conservatism ?



and could you explain how the most popular network in America is also somehow "not compelling"

Wow you didn’t stray a little off the path there...

You took a hard turn and raced right off into the bushes

FOX News spending hours daily pointing out how the Dems are the devil should not be mistaken with conservatism, any more than Trump signing off on congressional spending orgies should be

They can claim to be in support of conservatism all they want - it is immaterial

GOP candidates do the same thing in reelection years... label themselves conservative, reality be damned

Chizzang wrote:

CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:16 pm Wow you didn’t stray a little off the path there...

You took a hard turn and raced right off into the bushes

FOX News spending hours daily pointing out how the Dems are the devil should not be mistaken with conservatism, any more than Trump signing off on congressional spending orgies should be

They can claim to be in support of conservatism all they want - it is immaterial

GOP candidates do the same thing in reelection years... label themselves conservative, reality be damned

Ya see... we're having the reverse argument again
this goes back to my argument that you continually dismiss
You refer to China as a communist nation and I say... Pfft it's a one-party one ruler military dictatorship
that just happens to call itself a communist nation



now we're doing the opposite here
and i enjoy this

CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:07 pm

Chizzang wrote:
Ya see... we're having the reverse argument again
this goes back to my argument that you continually dismiss
You refer to China as a communist nation and I say... Pfft it's a one-party one ruler military dictatorship
that just happens to call itself a communist nation



now we're doing the opposite here
and i enjoy this

OK Clitz

If it’s that important to you to get it out there when I’m making the point that conservatism is inimical to statism

I’ll concede your overarching point

FOX News bad

Chizzang wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 10:25 pm

CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:07 pm
OK Clitz

If it’s that important to you to get it out there when I’m making the point that conservatism is inimical to statism

I’ll concede your overarching point

FOX News bad

Well now you're just taking all the fun out of it...