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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:34 am
clenz wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:22 am I'm not saying she's not an idiot. I'm not saying she was right in what she said. I would be willing to put her words in line with Cruz and Trump as far as incitement goes.

I'm questioning the legal standing in terms of an appeal because some idiot said some stupid shit about the case, while not being involved in the case. I honestly don't know.

If John Random were to have said exactly what she said would that be grounds for an appeal and overturn?

What about a college athlete? Pro athletes? A random company executive? Where's the line on what profile of a person dictates when an appeal will be won based on what they said?

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Is the jury sequestered? If not, they could read or hear about her comments at home or even on their phone during a break. Hopefully, her comments won't influence their decision but that doesn't mean an attorney can't and won't argue that they did. If you lose, you look for reasons to appeal and while a stretch, the words of a Congressperson are something.

We can get out the Ouija board and as Ivy or maybe Joe is lurking and could respond with a true legal opinion.
They are sequestered during deliberation, same as the trial I was a juror for. First thing we did was to vote on what everyone thought. We went from 5 guilty, 4 not guilty and 4 undecided to 12 not guilty over a day and a half deliberation.
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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:09 am
89Hen wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:03 am

Why defend her stupid comment? Just say it was stupid.
Huh?

Who’s comment did I defend?
Maxine Waters. :coffee:
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89Hen wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 am
kalm wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:09 am

Huh?

Who’s comment did I defend?
Maxine Waters. :coffee:
When?
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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:16 am
89Hen wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 am

Maxine Waters. :coffee:
When?
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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:16 am
89Hen wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 am

Maxine Waters. :coffee:
When?
This right here is what's tiring Kalmy. :coffee:
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andy7171 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:30 am
kalm wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:16 am

When?
This right here is what's tiring Kalmy. :coffee:
I’m sorry to tire you out, Andy. When did I defend Watters comment?
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:18 am
clenz wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:04 am I'm curious as to what her words would have to do with getting an appeal overturned.

She isn't involved in the case.
She isn't in the courtroom.
She isn't in the jury room.
She didn't threaten any jurors
They jurors didn't hear her words

I'm curious when the standard for appeal is "T'his person, completely unrelated to the case from the far west coast of the county, said something about the case" became a reasonable basis for appeal.

Keep in mind the judge also said ""A congresswoman's opinion really doesn't matter a whole lot,"

So words that don't mean a whole lot somehow give grounds for an entire trial to be overturned?
She's inciting a crowd to violence. Let's be clear about that. A confrontation is conflict.

Just spitballing here - She's telling a group that if they don't get the verdict they want, then to be confrontational. Some are going to take that to mean violence. And because you already have the Woke crowd vandalizing peoples homes and in the past they've stalked people, these jurors now might convict out of fear of reprisal and based off evidence.

And now she's on record doing exactly what she said Trump was guilty of. :twocents:
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:04 am Any verdict and riot predictions?
Rioting will happen regardless of the verdict.
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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:46 am
andy7171 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:30 am

This right here is what's tiring Kalmy. :coffee:
I’m sorry to tire you out, Andy. When did I defend Watters comment?
It is more righteous IMO, but she is also less of a threat with a much smaller following.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:34 am
clenz wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:22 am I'm not saying she's not an idiot. I'm not saying she was right in what she said. I would be willing to put her words in line with Cruz and Trump as far as incitement goes.

I'm questioning the legal standing in terms of an appeal because some idiot said some stupid shit about the case, while not being involved in the case. I honestly don't know.

If John Random were to have said exactly what she said would that be grounds for an appeal and overturn?

What about a college athlete? Pro athletes? A random company executive? Where's the line on what profile of a person dictates when an appeal will be won based on what they said?

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Is the jury sequestered? If not, they could read or hear about her comments at home or even on their phone during a break. Hopefully, her comments won't influence their decision but that doesn't mean an attorney can't and won't argue that they did. If you lose, you look for reasons to appeal and while a stretch, the words of a Congressperson are something.

We can get out the Ouija board and as Ivy or maybe Joe is lurking and could respond with a true legal opinion.
Nope, not sequestered. Not sure how the circus surrounding this trial isn't getting seen/heard by the jurors.
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:45 am
clenz wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:22 am I'm not saying she's not an idiot. I'm not saying she was right in what she said. I would be willing to put her words in line with Cruz and Trump as far as incitement goes.

I'm questioning the legal standing in terms of an appeal because some idiot said some stupid shit about the case, while not being involved in the case. I honestly don't know.

If John Random were to have said exactly what she said would that be grounds for an appeal and overturn?

What about a college athlete? Pro athletes? A random company executive? Where's the line on what profile of a person dictates when an appeal will be won based on what they said?

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John Random has considerably less influence in front of a BLM crowd than a black Congresswoman who has been championing their plight for years.


Influential people KNOW they words and actions can sway people. There's real power to that.
clenzy was just being naïve to think someone of stature, especially a seasoned politician like Watters, doesn't sway public opinion.
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SDHornet wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:57 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:18 am

She's inciting a crowd to violence. Let's be clear about that. A confrontation is conflict.

Just spitballing here - She's telling a group that if they don't get the verdict they want, then to be confrontational. Some are going to take that to mean violence. And because you already have the Woke crowd vandalizing peoples homes and in the past they've stalked people, these jurors now might convict out of fear of reprisal and based off evidence.

And now she's on record doing exactly what she said Trump was guilty of. :twocents:
Spot on.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:55 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:34 am
Is the jury sequestered? If not, they could read or hear about her comments at home or even on their phone during a break. Hopefully, her comments won't influence their decision but that doesn't mean an attorney can't and won't argue that they did. If you lose, you look for reasons to appeal and while a stretch, the words of a Congressperson are something.

We can get out the Ouija board and as Ivy or maybe Joe is lurking and could respond with a true legal opinion.
They are sequestered during deliberation, same as the trial I was a juror for. First thing we did was to vote on what everyone thought. We went from 5 guilty, 4 not guilty and 4 undecided to 12 not guilty over a day and a half deliberation.
So they had you stay in a hotel, took away your phone and limited/monitored your communication with the outside world?

I don't think sitting in a room during deliberation but being able to check your messages over breaks and going home at night is being sequestered. You're still exposed to outside influences during a highly public trial.
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89Hen wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:58 am
kalm wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:46 am

I’m sorry to tire you out, Andy. When did I defend Watters comment?
It is more righteous IMO, but she is also less of a threat with a much smaller following.
That’s what you’ve got? WEAK...SAUCE.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:07 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:55 am

They are sequestered during deliberation, same as the trial I was a juror for. First thing we did was to vote on what everyone thought. We went from 5 guilty, 4 not guilty and 4 undecided to 12 not guilty over a day and a half deliberation.
So they had you stay in a hotel, took away your phone and limited/monitored your communication with the outside world?

I don't think sitting in a room during deliberation but being able to check your messages over breaks and going home at night is being sequestered. You're still exposed to outside influences during a highly public trial.
They stayed in a hotel, no phones, radio, electronic etc. Can't even call family. They can contact you if it's an emergency, thru the court. That's what happened to us.

After the verdict was read, we left thru the judges back hallway. Police officers escorted us to our cars.
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SDHornet wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:57 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:04 am Any verdict and riot predictions?
Rioting will happen regardless of the verdict.
Yep. And the MSM is rubbing their hands in anticipation..
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:07 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:55 am

They are sequestered during deliberation, same as the trial I was a juror for. First thing we did was to vote on what everyone thought. We went from 5 guilty, 4 not guilty and 4 undecided to 12 not guilty over a day and a half deliberation.
So they had you stay in a hotel, took away your phone and limited/monitored your communication with the outside world?

I don't think sitting in a room during deliberation but being able to check your messages over breaks and going home at night is being sequestered. You're still exposed to outside influences during a highly public trial.
These jurors know if they din’t convict on one of the murder charges (not just manslaughter) they’ll practically have to go into the witness protection program..
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:36 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:07 am

So they had you stay in a hotel, took away your phone and limited/monitored your communication with the outside world?

I don't think sitting in a room during deliberation but being able to check your messages over breaks and going home at night is being sequestered. You're still exposed to outside influences during a highly public trial.
These jurors know if they din’t convict on one of the murder charges (not just manslaughter) they’ll practically have to go into the witness protection program..
Similar to how Senate Republicans voting on impeachment felt ...
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Now you have Biden trying to influence the jury..Why can’t these lib politicians shut up until the jury has made a decision?
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:27 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:36 am
These jurors know if they din’t convict on one of the murder charges (not just manslaughter) they’ll practically have to go into the witness protection program..
Similar to how Senate Republicans voting on impeachment felt ...
Doubtful since they have a security detail at all times.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:24 am Now you have Biden trying to influence the jury..Why can’t these lib politicians shut up until the jury has made a decision?
Meh...Politicians of all stripes say things they shouldn't. Or do things they shouldn't. It's a little late to get up in arms b/c POTUS is commenting on a trial.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:27 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:36 am
These jurors know if they din’t convict on one of the murder charges (not just manslaughter) they’ll practically have to go into the witness protection program..
Similar to how Senate Republicans voting on impeachment felt ...
You misunderstood those Law and Order loving MAGA supporters. When they were attacking the capital and saying they wanted to hang Mike Pence..it was loving. They wanted to do it lovingly. No threat there.
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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:34 am
89Hen wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:58 am

That’s what you’ve got? WEAK...SAUCE.
That's what you said. Defending Waters is weak sauce. I thought you had bigger ball.
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89Hen wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:46 am
kalm wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:34 am

That’s what you’ve got? WEAK...SAUCE.
That's what you said. Defending Waters is weak sauce. I thought you had bigger ball.
Where did i defend Watters?
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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:50 am
89Hen wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:46 am
That's what you said. Defending Waters is weak sauce. I thought you had bigger ball.
Where did i defend Watters?
Up there ^. I wasn't the only one to notice.
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