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kalm wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:08 am
Ibanez wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:05 am
This goes beyond ignoring or excluding someone due to behavior or association. The Cancel Culture is meant to ostracize and punish anyone that doesn't live up to the Woke liberal agenda (that's my opinion). It's a purity movement.

You don't agree with my POV on gender then you're a bigot and i'm gonna dox you, threaten you and make you lose your job.

I don't associate with a sibling but i'm not going to say he should lose his job and suffer just because we disagree on things.
Gotcha. :thumb:

Cancel culture isn’t a movement. It’s a reaction to societal changes.

Not sure that makes JSO on the wrong side of history though.
Cancel culture is a form of discrimination. JSO is fine with discriminating against people based on the color of their skin, their sexual preferences, or their ideology. I think he'll end up on the wrong side of history on all three.
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kalm wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:08 am
Ibanez wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:05 am

This goes beyond ignoring or excluding someone due to behavior or association. The Cancel Culture is meant to ostracize and punish anyone that doesn't live up to the Woke liberal agenda (that's my opinion). It's a purity movement.

You don't agree with my POV on gender then you're a bigot and i'm gonna dox you, threaten you and make you lose your job.


I don't associate with a sibling but i'm not going to say he should lose his job and suffer just because we disagree on things.
Gotcha. :thumb:

Cancel culture isn’t a movement. It’s a reaction to societal changes.

Not sure that makes JSO on the wrong side of history though.
Yes. Let's cancel 75 million people because they disagree with you politically. That's a great historical position to back. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:28 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:08 am

Gotcha. :thumb:

Cancel culture isn’t a movement. It’s a reaction to societal changes.

Not sure that makes JSO on the wrong side of history though.
Yes. Let's cancel 75 million people because they disagree with you politically. That's a great historical position to back. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
Let's cancel those that utilize robocallers. Surely we can all get behind that.
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Ibanez wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:32 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:28 pm

Yes. Let's cancel 75 million people because they disagree with you politically. That's a great historical position to back. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
Let's cancel those that utilize robocallers. Surely we can all get behind that.
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Ibanez wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:05 am
kalm wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:25 am

How is he on the wrong side of history?
This goes beyond ignoring or excluding someone due to behavior or association. The Cancel Culture is meant to ostracize and punish anyone that doesn't live up to the Woke liberal agenda (that's my opinion). It's a purity movement.

You don't agree with my POV on gender then you're a bigot and i'm gonna dox you, threaten you and make you lose your job.


I don't associate with a sibling but i'm not going to say he should lose his job and suffer just because we disagree on things.
Nailed it. It's about conforming with the proper "groupthink", nothing more.
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SDHornet wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:02 pm
Ibanez wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:05 am

This goes beyond ignoring or excluding someone due to behavior or association. The Cancel Culture is meant to ostracize and punish anyone that doesn't live up to the Woke liberal agenda (that's my opinion). It's a purity movement.

You don't agree with my POV on gender then you're a bigot and i'm gonna dox you, threaten you and make you lose your job.


I don't associate with a sibling but i'm not going to say he should lose his job and suffer just because we disagree on things.
Nailed it. It's about conforming with the proper "groupthink", nothing more.
which is the absolute antithesis of "libertarianism". Despite JSO's weak-ass protestations to the contrary.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:28 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:08 am

Gotcha. :thumb:

Cancel culture isn’t a movement. It’s a reaction to societal changes.

Not sure that makes JSO on the wrong side of history though.
Yes. Let's cancel 75 million people because they disagree with you politically. That's a great historical position to back. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
They are a minority of the population. There are attitudes that have been in the majority that have been canceled. Example: A solid majority used to oppose homosexual marriage. Now, if you say you oppose that, you will be ostracized. People who would do something like support Trump need to be squashed and marginalized. It is necessary for the survival of this country as a Democratic Republic.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:17 pm
SDHornet wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:02 pm

Nailed it. It's about conforming with the proper "groupthink", nothing more.
which is the absolute antithesis of "libertarianism". Despite JSO's weak-ass protestations to the contrary.
Libertarianism has to do with the relationship between you and the government. People should be free to ostracize you if they want to. There is absolutely nothing anti-Libertarian about private individuals and private businesses deciding that they don't want to associate with people that express a certain behavior. In fact, it would be anti-Libertarian to say they cannot.
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Re: Cancel Culture thread

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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:55 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:28 pm
Yes. Let's cancel 75 million people because they disagree with you politically. That's a great historical position to back. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
They are a minority of the population. There are attitudes that have been in the majority that have been canceled. Example: A solid majority used to oppose homosexual marriage. Now, if you say you oppose that, you will be ostracized. People who would do something like support Trump need to be squashed and marginalized. It is necessary for the survival of this country as a Democratic Republic.
Your analogy is backwards. It used to be that you could "cancel" someone because of their sexual orientation, color of skin, etc. We've evolved past that but unfortunately we're now in a situation where people are seriously considering cancelling someone because of their ideology. Cancelling someone because they're conservative is no less bigoted, imperialist and self-righteous than it was to cancel people of color or homosexuals. You're just creating a new class of victims. Victims who will have a legitimate grievance.
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Society cancels Nazis and other far-right political ideologies, so I'm not sure why we shouldn't cancel Trumpism too. It's an economic and social threat to our Republic which was confirmed on January 6th. It's not a movement that will be looked at kindly in 20+ years.

Trump and his people can still speak freely, run for office, spend money, etc. They still have all rights afforded to them by law, but society as a whole has its own right - even an obligation - to protect itself from ideologies which threaten how it functions. Everyone can have their own ideas, but other people have the right to push back when those ideas are taken too far.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:42 pm Society cancels Nazis and other far-right political ideologies, so I'm not sure why we shouldn't cancel Trumpism too. It's an economic and social threat to our Republic which was confirmed on January 6th. It's not a movement that will be looked at kindly in 20+ years.

Trump and his people can still speak freely, run for office, spend money, etc. They still have all rights afforded to them by law, but society as a whole has its own right - even an obligation - to protect itself from ideologies which threaten how it functions. Everyone can have their own ideas, but other people have the right to push back when those ideas are taken too far.

Populism threatens society and the Republic? I thought you were a will of the people kind of person?

We need to cancel the Democratic Socialists of America and other Marxist and far-left political ideologies. Long-term they are as great if not a greater economic and social threat to society and the Republic.
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The difference is socialists democrats are winning people over with ideas and trying to change the system within a legal framework, not undermining and threatening the representative process we've all agreed upon.

We can certainly argue the long-term implications of a socialist economy, but winning with ideas is how democracy works.

Trumpism did that at first, then when people rejected its governance, it tried to burn the whole thing down. That's fascism.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:42 pm Society cancels Nazis and other far-right political ideologies, so I'm not sure why we shouldn't cancel Trumpism too. It's an economic and social threat to our Republic which was confirmed on January 6th. It's not a movement that will be looked at kindly in 20+ years.
Society cancels Marxists and other far left ideologies, so why shouldn't we cancel them, too? Its an economic and social threat to our Republic which was confirmed early on during the last 9 months of BLANTIFA riots...Its not a movement that will be looked kindly at in 20+ years... :coffee:
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Fascism is tying up the Congress with a circus to distract the public in order to enable the President to rule through fiat outside of our legislative process while keeping a non existent insurection at bay with unnecessary troops and barriers.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:35 pm The difference is socialists democrats are winning people over with ideas and trying to change the system within a legal framework, not undermining and threatening the representative process we've all agreed upon.

We can certainly argue the long-term implications of a socialist economy, but winning with ideas is how democracy works.

Trumpism did that at first, then when people rejected its governance, it tried to burn the whole thing down. That's fascism.
Does this look like winning people over with ideas: :dunce:
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Or how about this, BLMers telling white people to get the f*ck out of their homes, because you know, they're white..
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The months of nationwide BLANTIFA riots since last Spring, with mass looting, burning, attacking the police, ransacking of restaurants & harassment of diners, harassment of neighborhood residents, etc, etc, etc indicate the left is doing anything BUT winning people over with ideas and trying to change the system within a legal framework..
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Call me when the antifascists try to storm our Legislative branch, capture and kill elected representatives, stop the democratic process, and implement a fascist dictatorship all because their guy lost. Call me when they've infiltrated our law enforcement.

You have nothing tangible to stand on anymore: only lies, hypocrisy, and fascist tendencies. At least some who joined the insurrection - and now face the justice system - finally realize the conman was stringing them all along too. Better late than never.

But hey, keep defending someone who couldn't give a sh*t about you; we'll all be here when you're ready to leave the cult. The people and parts of society which reject Trumpism aren't as scary as he and his friends make them out to be.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:27 pm Call me when the antifascists try to storm our Legislative branch, capture and kill elected representatives, stop the democratic process, and implement a fascist dictatorship all because their guy lost. Call me when they've infiltrated our law enforcement.

You have nothing tangible to stand on anymore: only lies, hypocrisy, and fascist tendencies. At least some who joined the insurrection - and now face the justice system - finally realize the conman was stringing them all along too. Better late than never.

But hey, keep defending someone who couldn't give a sh*t about you; we'll all be here when you're ready to leave the cult. The people and parts of society which reject Trumpism aren't as scary as he and his friends make them out to be.
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Trip really thinks a Marxist movement is "winning people over with ideas". :lol:

Somebody need to read up on some Marxist movement history. :coffee:
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:35 pm The difference is socialists democrats are winning people over with ideas and trying to change the system within a legal framework, not undermining and threatening the representative process we've all agreed upon.

We can certainly argue the long-term implications of a socialist economy, but winning with ideas is how democracy works.

Trumpism did that at first, then when people rejected its governance, it tried to burn the whole thing down. That's fascism.
Are they winning people over with ideas or are they brainwashing people with opinions and agendas presented as facts and with false visions of prosperity? Is doxing, detoxing and/or canceling people who disagree really winning people over with ideas?

How is attempting to marginalize people who think differently from you any better than attempting to marginalize people who look different or are attracted to people of the same gender? Bigotry and hatred is bigotry and hatred, putting progressive lipstick on it should not make it tolerable.

They might not have occurred at the Capitol but aren't months of riots, looting and violence frequently directed at government properties and sometimes at the homes of elected officials also undermining and threatening the representative process we all agreed upon?

Using threats of and actual physical violence to try and intimidate those who oppose you is also fascism and that is what the supposedly antifascist AnTiFa does.

The extreme right and the extreme left are mirror images of each other. Both are threats to society and the Republic.
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Extreme left. :lol:

Here's a political guide for you:

Far-right: Trump, Hawley, Cruz, Paul (BDK)
Right: Romney, Cheney, Murkowski, McConnell (JSO)
Center-Right: Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Obama (You)
Center: Sanders, Warren, Harris, Gillibrand (Kalm)
Center-Left: Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Tlaib, Bowman (Me)
Left: No one. Someone like Floyd B. Wilson (real socialist) would occupy this.
Far-left: No one. Anarchists, communists, and separatists would occupy this.

Democratic Socialism (which is actually Social Liberalism in the US) isn't a scary word for people my age. We're just trying to bring the United States back in line with its Western peers on the global overton window and return it to its classical liberal roots.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:35 pm The difference is socialists democrats are winning people over with ideas and trying to change the system within a legal framework, not undermining and threatening the representative process we've all agreed upon.

We can certainly argue the long-term implications of a socialist economy, but winning with ideas is how democracy works.

Trumpism did that at first, then when people rejected its governance, it tried to burn the whole thing down. That's fascism.
No, they're winning the ignorant by promising free shit.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:07 am Extreme left. :lol:

Here's a political guide for you:

Far-right: Trump, Hawley, Cruz, Paul (BDK)
Right: Romney, Cheney, Murkowski, McConnell (JSO)
Center-Right: Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Obama (You)
Center: Sanders, Warren, Harris, Gillibrand (Kalm)
Center-Left: Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Tlaib, Bowman (Me)
Left: No one. Someone like Floyd B. Wilson (real socialist) would occupy this.
Far-left: No one. Anarchists, communists, and separatists would occupy this.

Democratic Socialism (which is actually Social Liberalism in the US) isn't a scary word for people my age. We're just trying to bring the United States back in line with its Western peers on the global overton window and return it to its classical liberal roots.
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HI54UNI wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:35 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:35 pm The difference is socialists democrats are winning people over with ideas and trying to change the system within a legal framework, not undermining and threatening the representative process we've all agreed upon.

We can certainly argue the long-term implications of a socialist economy, but winning with ideas is how democracy works.

Trumpism did that at first, then when people rejected its governance, it tried to burn the whole thing down. That's fascism.
No, they're winning the ignorant by promising free shit.
God forbid the taxes we pay go back into providing services for the average American.

Didn't realize the point of collective governance was corporate welfare and siphoning labor value upwards. How dare I think the goal of human progress and capitalist theory is to increase quality of life and social efficiencies for all, and leave the world better for our children.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:27 pm Call me when the antifascists try to storm our Legislative branch, capture and kill elected representatives, stop the democratic process, and implement a fascist dictatorship all because their guy lost. Call me when they've infiltrated our law enforcement.

You have nothing tangible to stand on anymore: only lies, hypocrisy, and fascist tendencies. At least some who joined the insurrection - and now face the justice system - finally realize the conman was stringing them all along too. Better late than never.

But hey, keep defending someone who couldn't give a sh*t about you; we'll all be here when you're ready to leave the cult. The people and parts of society which reject Trumpism aren't as scary as he and his friends make them out to be.
The people that stormed our Legislative branch, capture and kill elected representatives, stop the democratic process, and implement a fascist dictatorship all because their guy lost, were akin to the people that broke out of the George Floyd protest and became rioters, looters and felons. There were peaceful protesters in both instance, and there was the violent element in both instances. The violent element was wrong in both cases, but the right and left argue as if the violent element was the norm, which was not the case.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:04 pm
∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:35 pm The difference is socialists democrats are winning people over with ideas and trying to change the system within a legal framework, not undermining and threatening the representative process we've all agreed upon.

We can certainly argue the long-term implications of a socialist economy, but winning with ideas is how democracy works.

Trumpism did that at first, then when people rejected its governance, it tried to burn the whole thing down. That's fascism.
Does this look like winning people over with ideas: :dunce:
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Or how about this, BLMers telling white people to get the f*ck out of their homes, because you know, they're white..
https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/seattle-b ... eir-homes/

The months of nationwide BLANTIFA riots since last Spring, with mass looting, burning, attacking the police, ransacking of restaurants & harassment of diners, harassment of neighborhood residents, etc, etc, etc indicate the left is doing anything BUT winning people over with ideas and trying to change the system within a legal framework..
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