Then why focus on him at all? Press on with the positives that will come without Trump. She couldn't even do that.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:37 amWhat if she thought that the time for Trump had passed and she was fighting against his influence on the party? The guy lost, he's a loser. How does he feel about losers? Isn't it time to move on?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:19 am
Neither of your statements negate the fact she was supposed to show that Republicans have better ideas than Biden, but she couldn't stop talking about Trump. A guy who is no longer President.
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Because he's a pied piper and she's trying to save the rats.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:43 amThen why focus on him at all? Press on with the positives that will come without Trump. She couldn't even do that.
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UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:53 amBecause he's a pied piper and she's trying to save the rats.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:43 am
Then why focus on him at all? Press on with the positives that will come without Trump. She couldn't even do that.
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Probably b/c everyone else is still clinging to Trump b/c they're afraid of going against him and invoking his name. As a leader, Liz felt the party should go in a different direction.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:43 amThen why focus on him at all? Press on with the positives that will come without Trump. She couldn't even do that.
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Getting rid of the Trump factor in the Republican Party, will bring back votes lost to Biden or third party candidates, in the 2020 election. I can see where many of her supporters would rather do it quietly, hence she is gone from a leadership position.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:19 amNeither of your statements negate the fact she was supposed to show that Republicans have better ideas than Biden, but she couldn't stop talking about Trump. A guy who is no longer President.
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Was that her job? Do you allow employees under you to determine your policies?Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:20 amProbably b/c everyone else is still clinging to Trump b/c they're afraid of going against him and invoking his name. As a leader, Liz felt the party should go in a different direction.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:43 am
Then why focus on him at all? Press on with the positives that will come without Trump. She couldn't even do that.
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1) Trump isn't her employer. The residents of Wyoming are.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:00 amWas that her job? Do you allow employees under you to determine your policies?
2) She's been pushing back against his lies and conspiracies - which sadly the GOP as a whole is embracing. So they need to silence dissent. I get it. You can't have leadership speaking truth to power when they aren't comfortable with the truth.
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SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:00 amWas that her job? Do you allow employees under you to determine your policies?
Therefore they should sit down and let her lead?
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I wasn't talking about Trump, I was talking about you. Do you let people under you decide your policy?Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:58 am1) Trump isn't her employer. The residents of Wyoming are.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:00 am
Was that her job? Do you allow employees under you to determine your policies?
2) She's been pushing back against his lies and conspiracies - which sadly the GOP as a whole is embracing. So they need to silence dissent. I get it. You can't have leadership speaking truth to power when they aren't comfortable with the truth.
You do know Stefanik aligned with Trump even less than Cheney. This isn't about fealty to Trump. It's about doing the job you were asked to do.
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Sorry, could you rephrase that? Not understanding what you are asking or stating.kalm wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:00 amSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:00 am
Was that her job? Do you allow employees under you to determine your policies?
Therefore they should sit down and let her lead?
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So you agree then that is not about conservative leadership but simply a Trump loyalty test?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:10 amI wasn't talking about Trump, I was talking about you. Do you let people under you decide your policy?Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:58 am
1) Trump isn't her employer. The residents of Wyoming are.
2) She's been pushing back against his lies and conspiracies - which sadly the GOP as a whole is embracing. So they need to silence dissent. I get it. You can't have leadership speaking truth to power when they aren't comfortable with the truth.
You do know Stefanik aligned with Trump even less than Cheney. This isn't about fealty to Trump. It's about doing the job you were asked to do.
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Not at all. Stefanik, the person replacing Cheney, opposed Trump way more than Cheney with her votes. It's not about who kisses Trump's ass, it's about who can go out and support Republican candidates that have better ideas than what Biden is providing.kalm wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:29 amSo you agree then that is not about conservative leadership but simply a Trump loyalty test?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:10 am
I wasn't talking about Trump, I was talking about you. Do you let people under you decide your policy?
You do know Stefanik aligned with Trump even less than Cheney. This isn't about fealty to Trump. It's about doing the job you were asked to do.
Trump isn't running in 2022. Let's focus on who is running.
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Boy, are you wrong.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:10 amI wasn't talking about Trump, I was talking about you. Do you let people under you decide your policy?Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:58 am
1) Trump isn't her employer. The residents of Wyoming are.
2) She's been pushing back against his lies and conspiracies - which sadly the GOP as a whole is embracing. So they need to silence dissent. I get it. You can't have leadership speaking truth to power when they aren't comfortable with the truth.
You do know Stefanik aligned with Trump even less than Cheney. This isn't about fealty to Trump. It's about doing the job you were asked to do.
https://apnews.com/article/ny-state-wir ... 720a9fc70aToday, Stefanik is one of Trump’s fiercest defenders in the House of Representatives, where her loyalty to the former president — and the support he returned — has carried the 36-year-old to the brink of becoming one of the most powerful women in Congress.
It was a Thursday night in November 2019, and Trump’s first impeachment inquiry was raging on Capitol Hill. Stefanik had emerged as a leading Trump defender in committee hearings, but on that night, she brought her message to Fox News’ Sean Hannity for the first time.
After attacking the Democrats’ case for impeachment, she asked Fox viewers to send money to a website designed to protect her from a growing wave of political attacks.
Within 15 minutes, she had raised $250,000, aides later tweeted. Several hundred thousand more flowed into her campaign by the next morning. Her team had never seen anything like it, according to people with direct knowledge of her operation who spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose private discussions.
The snowball grew the next day when Trump went on “Fox and Friends” and praised Stefanik. It grew still more weeks later when Trump singled her out during a White House event as he crowed about beating impeachment.
In total, Stefanik raised more than $13 million over that cycle, almost twice as much as the combined fundraising totals from her previous three elections. She raised an additional $2 million for Republican candidates and assembled what her office now describes as one of the five strongest donor email lists among 212 House Republicans.
She never wavered in supporting Trump again.
Republicans, however, felt that Cheney's continued comments against Trump and conflicting statements against leadership were playing in Democrats' hands and becoming a distraction.
The GOP is going in one direction and Liz was vocal about it being the wrong direction. I get that. Doesn't make it any less ironic that she was cancelled for speaking out against Trump. If she was so horrible at her job why wasn't she kicked out in February or any other time since 2019.
Oh yeah..the calls to remove her only came once she began criticize Trump.
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So you think another R candidate would have won in 2020? Because Trump lost by the slimmest of margins.
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I seem to recall, everything going south when she voted for impeaching the president.
Why was he impeached again?
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So keeping a job is more important then doing a it well?
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I'm just going on what you said. "will bring back votes lost to Biden or third party candidates, in the 2020 election."
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Should have been more clear, I was talking voting record.Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:58 amBoy, are you wrong.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:10 am
I wasn't talking about Trump, I was talking about you. Do you let people under you decide your policy?
You do know Stefanik aligned with Trump even less than Cheney. This isn't about fealty to Trump. It's about doing the job you were asked to do.
https://apnews.com/article/ny-state-wir ... 720a9fc70aToday, Stefanik is one of Trump’s fiercest defenders in the House of Representatives, where her loyalty to the former president — and the support he returned — has carried the 36-year-old to the brink of becoming one of the most powerful women in Congress.
It was a Thursday night in November 2019, and Trump’s first impeachment inquiry was raging on Capitol Hill. Stefanik had emerged as a leading Trump defender in committee hearings, but on that night, she brought her message to Fox News’ Sean Hannity for the first time.
After attacking the Democrats’ case for impeachment, she asked Fox viewers to send money to a website designed to protect her from a growing wave of political attacks.
Within 15 minutes, she had raised $250,000, aides later tweeted. Several hundred thousand more flowed into her campaign by the next morning. Her team had never seen anything like it, according to people with direct knowledge of her operation who spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose private discussions.
The snowball grew the next day when Trump went on “Fox and Friends” and praised Stefanik. It grew still more weeks later when Trump singled her out during a White House event as he crowed about beating impeachment.
In total, Stefanik raised more than $13 million over that cycle, almost twice as much as the combined fundraising totals from her previous three elections. She raised an additional $2 million for Republican candidates and assembled what her office now describes as one of the five strongest donor email lists among 212 House Republicans.
She never wavered in supporting Trump again.
Republicans, however, felt that Cheney's continued comments against Trump and conflicting statements against leadership were playing in Democrats' hands and becoming a distraction.
The GOP is going in one direction and Liz was vocal about it being the wrong direction. I get that. Doesn't make it any less ironic that she was cancelled for speaking out against Trump. If she was so horrible at her job why wasn't she kicked out in February or any other time since 2019.
Oh yeah..the calls to remove her only came once she began criticize Trump.
And in regards to what the difference between February and now, it was that everyone was fine with Cheney speaking her mind, but to keep droning on and on over her complaints wore thin...because she wasn't doing her job.
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Well I guess you have a point, Trump wasn't doing his job, and he was voted out.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:00 amWas that her job? Do you allow employees under you to determine your policies?