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houndawg wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:40 am
SDHornet wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:06 pm
So you're only concerned when the Russians are "allegedly" involved?
Its time to put up or shut up. :coffee:
Awesome! I anxiously await you putting up proof of Russian collusion and Putin's ownership of Trump.
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kalm wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:21 am As Ursus lines to say...”you have to be good enough to overcome a bad call.”

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LeadBolt wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:46 am It would seem that the 2016 Presidential election had way less interference than the 2020 election. So I’m not sure that Biden will be quite as legitimate as Trump was, when he takes office.


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Re: 2020 General Election

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I continue to be amazed at the number of people on places like Facebook who apparently do not realize that Trump is an historically unpopular President who was the underdog going in. I'm talking about people who think the fact that Trump lost means that something untoward MUST have happened in order for their Dear Leader to lose. Also the continued lack of understanding of why we saw what we saw with Trump's position eroding as mail in votes were counted.

See the article at https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/0 ... nia-433951

It was posted on election day, November 3. At that time about 1.6 million mail ballots had been received from Democrats, about 586,000 had been received from Republicans, and about 278,000 had been received from Independents.

That means hey had more than a million more mail in ballots from Democrats as they had from Republicans. Trump had a lead of about 600,000 votes as of the end of election day. ANY person who can do math would have bet, if they had to bet, that the Democrats having more than a 1,000,000 vote edge in mail in votes meant Trump's lead would be overcome and Biden would win.

That would be the case even if ALL of the Independents would have voted for Trump. And, in reality, Independents broke for Biden this year. In Pennsylvania the exit poll estimate is that Independents voted for Biden over Trump by 52% to 44%.

This whole thing is just really ridiculous. Biden did not win because of fraud. Biden won because more people want Biden to be President than want Trump to be President. More people in Pennsylvania. More people in Wisconsin. More people in Michigan. And, apparently, more people in Georgia.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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mainejeff wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:08 pm
LeadBolt wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:46 am It would seem that the 2016 Presidential election had way less interference than the 2020 election. So I’m not sure that Biden will be quite as legitimate as Trump was, when he takes office.


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I hope the post to which you were responding wasn't serious. There was a lot of concern about foreign interference going into the 2016 election. I can recall being concerned when the results were first called that such foreign interference may have made the difference. But after I compared the results to the polls I felt that there was not evidence that votes had not been changed or anything like that.

To this day, though, it is very reasonable to say it is possible that foreign interference in terms of influence operations DID make a difference. The Russians put a lot of effort into suppressing Black turnout, for instance (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/russian ... d=53185084).

The margins in some key states were very thin. It's not unreasonable at all to think it's possible that Russian influence operations did change the bottom line outcome from what it would have been without their involvement. No way to ever know. But in an election where the margins were that thin and the Russians were clearly involved in trying to influence voter behavior it's not at all unreasonable to think it's possible.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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mainejeff wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:52 am
89Hen wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:44 am

4,914,457 in California alone.

:coffee: indeed
Biden winning by 5,099,264 votes......you will have to subtract another BLUE state......but only if you subtract the 2 biggest RED states.

Indeed.

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:lol: For 49 states the popular vote is a statistical draw.

If you want to take out the top 2 states for both with the biggest deltas (Cali/Mass for Biden and KY/Tenn for Trump) and eliminate the vote for the four for both candidates...

Biden = 62,945,860
Trump = 62,588,744

0.238% win. What a mandate!
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kalm wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:21 am As Ursus likes to say...”you have to be good enough to overcome a bad call.”

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Says the recipient of the benefit of the worst call in I-AA history.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Skjellyfetti wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:40 am
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89Hen wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:22 pm
mainejeff wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:52 am

Biden winning by 5,099,264 votes......you will have to subtract another BLUE state......but only if you subtract the 2 biggest RED states.

Indeed.

:coffee:
:lol: For 49 states the popular vote is a statistical draw.

If you want to take out the top 2 states for both with the biggest deltas (Cali/Mass for Biden and KY/Tenn for Trump) and eliminate the vote for the four for both candidates...

Biden = 62,945,860
Trump = 62,588,744

0.238% win. What a mandate!
Besides, the Conks have already flipped 10 Donk seats in the House. There are seven that are still undecided, and the last time I looked, Conks are leading in ALL seven of those.

Mandate. :lol:
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89Hen wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:24 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:21 am As Ursus likes to say...”you have to be good enough to overcome a bad call.”

:coffee:
Says the recipient of the benefit of the worst call in I-AA history.
IIRC, he was replying to you. :lol:
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:23 am
houndawg wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:40 am

Its time to put up or shut up. :coffee:
Awesome! I anxiously await you putting up proof of Russian collusion and Putin's ownership of Trump.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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GA announced recount by hand and audit. Should put the "software glitch" issue to bed in that state.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:10 pm
Biden did not win because of fraud. Biden won because more people want Biden to be President than want Trump to be President. More people in Pennsylvania. More people in Wisconsin. More people in Michigan. And, apparently, more people in Georgia.
While this may all turn out to be true, does it not concern you in the least that there might have been fraud? Even if it wasn’t what ultimately pushed him over the top, that maybe it might have been a trial run for how to control future elections?

Not even a little bit?
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:33 pm Both parties are undergoing purity movements. It’s the shame that one accepts violence as a means to shame others....? I dunno. I don’t quite understand it.


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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:35 pm
JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:10 pm
Biden did not win because of fraud. Biden won because more people want Biden to be President than want Trump to be President. More people in Pennsylvania. More people in Wisconsin. More people in Michigan. And, apparently, more people in Georgia.
While this may all turn out to be true, does it not concern you in the least that there might have been fraud? Even if it wasn’t what ultimately pushed him over the top, that maybe it might have been a trial run for how to control future elections?

Not even a little bit?
I think it's likely that there was a little bit of what may be characterized as "fraud" by virtue of some form of illegal voting, etc. I think there probably always is. But I also think that there was nothing unusual in that regard with this election and it can go both ways.

For example: I saw a story yesterday about a big deal that was made about a woman who brought in a mail ballot for her mother who had died. That was an illegal vote. But the daughter said the vote was for Trump. And the daughter wasn't intentionally trying to do anything wrong. She was just trying to have her recently deceased mother's will expressed.

This whole thing is ridiculous. The People have clearly spoken. Biden being President is the Will of the People. If Trump somehow succeeds in thwarting that it is going to be a historic crisis and an historic injustice. It would be a very serious problem for this country.

We already have a serious problem because Trump is even doing this bogus shit. The best case end of this situation is that the legitimate winner, Biden, takes office and almost half the country believes he's illegitimate because they buy Trump's bullshit. The worst case end is that we actually have the Will of the People overturned. Right now I don't think that's going to happen. I hope not. But the fact that we even have a Presidential candidate doing it while being supported by a major political party in his effort is a serious problem.
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Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman, a Democrat, in a CNN interview Wednesday said that the only known case of voter fraud "in Pennsylvania in this cycle, is a registered Republican in Luzerne County, [who] tried to vote for Trump with his dead mother's ballot."


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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:24 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:35 pm

While this may all turn out to be true, does it not concern you in the least that there might have been fraud? Even if it wasn’t what ultimately pushed him over the top, that maybe it might have been a trial run for how to control future elections?

Not even a little bit?
I think it's likely that there was a little bit of what may be characterized as "fraud" by virtue of some form of illegal voting, etc. I think there probably always is. But I also think that there was nothing unusual in that regard with this election and it can go both ways.

For example: I saw a story yesterday about a big deal that was made about a woman who brought in a mail ballot for her mother who had died. That was an illegal vote. But the daughter said the vote was for Trump. And the daughter wasn't intentionally trying to do anything wrong. She was just trying to have her recently deceased mother's will expressed.

This whole thing is ridiculous. The People have clearly spoken. Biden being President is the Will of the People. If Trump somehow succeeds in thwarting that it is going to be a historic crisis and an historic injustice. It would be a very serious problem for this country.

We already have a serious problem because Trump is even doing this bogus shit. The best case end of this situation is that the legitimate winner, Biden, takes office and almost half the country believes he's illegitimate because they buy Trump's bullshit. The worst case end is that we actually have the Will of the People overturned. Right now I don't think that's going to happen. I hope not. But the fact that we even have a Presidential candidate doing it while being supported by a major political party in his effort is a serious problem.
See, you’ve already made up your mind that there is only a tiny fraction of fraud, and everything Trump is doing is “bogus shit”.

Howsabout we let the chips fall where they may and pass judgement in about 2-3 weeks? You know, kind of like covid? Just wait two weeks?
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Joe Biden is allegedly putting together an interesting cabinet. The ending does have some strong language as a FYI.

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Winterborn wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:32 pm Joe Biden is allegedly putting together an interesting cabinet. The ending does have some strong language as a FYI.

At what point do the progressives realize they've been hoodwinked?

Or has that come and gone and I missed it?
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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:24 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:35 pm

While this may all turn out to be true, does it not concern you in the least that there might have been fraud? Even if it wasn’t what ultimately pushed him over the top, that maybe it might have been a trial run for how to control future elections?

Not even a little bit?
I think it's likely that there was a little bit of what may be characterized as "fraud" by virtue of some form of illegal voting, etc. I think there probably always is. But I also think that there was nothing unusual in that regard with this election and it can go both ways.

For example: I saw a story yesterday about a big deal that was made about a woman who brought in a mail ballot for her mother who had died. That was an illegal vote. But the daughter said the vote was for Trump. And the daughter wasn't intentionally trying to do anything wrong. She was just trying to have her recently deceased mother's will expressed.

This whole thing is ridiculous. The People have clearly spoken. Biden being President is the Will of the People. If Trump somehow succeeds in thwarting that it is going to be a historic crisis and an historic injustice. It would be a very serious problem for this country.

We already have a serious problem because Trump is even doing this bogus shit. The best case end of this situation is that the legitimate winner, Biden, takes office and almost half the country believes he's illegitimate because they buy Trump's bullshit. The worst case end is that we actually have the Will of the People overturned. Right now I don't think that's going to happen. I hope not. But the fact that we even have a Presidential candidate doing it while being supported by a major political party in his effort is a serious problem.
:rofl: at your weak ass attempt to diminish voter fraud.

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SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:06 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:32 pm Joe Biden is allegedly putting together an interesting cabinet. The ending does have some strong language as a FYI.

At what point do the progressives realize they've been hoodwinked?

Or has that come and gone and I missed it?
I don't know. One would think after Bernie Sanders had the rug yanked out from under himself twice they would of figured it out by now.
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SDHornet wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:23 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:26 am

That happens after every election. It's called a canvass.
Um no. Try again. Canvassing is basically exit polling. I'm talking about an actual audit/recount of the votes that were cast.
Update on Wisconsin's canvass... which is definitely not an audit and is basically an exit poll. :lol:
51 of 72 Wisconsin counties complete canvasses resulting in minor vote shift

More than two thirds of the counties in Wisconsin have submitted official election results after completing their canvasses.

The largest counties in the state including Milwaukee, Dane and Waukesha are still in the audit process, but more than 50 other counties have finished their canvasses. Altogether, the reporting counties show a small gain in votes for Joe Biden and a loss of about a few hundred votes for President Trump.

The state’s largest county wrapped up its first week of canvassing inside the Milwaukee County Courthouse, but Milwaukee County Elections Director Julietta Henry expects their audit to take a few more days.

“The city of Milwaukee for example, there were 16 provisional votes that will be added to the count,” Henry said.

As of Wednesday, 51 of the state’s 72 counties had completed their canvasses. When you add up all of their totals, Biden gained 10 votes and President Trump lost 271 votes compared to the unofficial results from election night.

President Trump took a hit from an error in Shawano County, losing 274 votes. The county’s audit found a poll worker mistakenly mixed up the unofficial totals.

Price County’s canvass found a similar error, reporting 100 votes too many for Biden on election night.

Sheboygan County’s canvass removed a small number of votes from both candidates. The Sheboygan County Clerk said this was also another poll worker mistake in reporting the unofficial totals.

Henry said this is why counties canvass, to double check that each legal vote is counted.

“There’s nothing substantiating voter fraud in Wisconsin,” Henry said.

Every county in Wisconsin is required to send their final canvassing results to the state’s elections commission by next Tuesday, November 17. Henry said Milwaukee County canvassers will likely have to work up until the deadline.
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SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:17 pm
JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:24 pm

I think it's likely that there was a little bit of what may be characterized as "fraud" by virtue of some form of illegal voting, etc. I think there probably always is. But I also think that there was nothing unusual in that regard with this election and it can go both ways.

For example: I saw a story yesterday about a big deal that was made about a woman who brought in a mail ballot for her mother who had died. That was an illegal vote. But the daughter said the vote was for Trump. And the daughter wasn't intentionally trying to do anything wrong. She was just trying to have her recently deceased mother's will expressed.

This whole thing is ridiculous. The People have clearly spoken. Biden being President is the Will of the People. If Trump somehow succeeds in thwarting that it is going to be a historic crisis and an historic injustice. It would be a very serious problem for this country.

We already have a serious problem because Trump is even doing this bogus shit. The best case end of this situation is that the legitimate winner, Biden, takes office and almost half the country believes he's illegitimate because they buy Trump's bullshit. The worst case end is that we actually have the Will of the People overturned. Right now I don't think that's going to happen. I hope not. But the fact that we even have a Presidential candidate doing it while being supported by a major political party in his effort is a serious problem.
:rofl: at your weak ass attempt to diminish voter fraud.

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Re: 2020 General Election

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SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:06 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:32 pm Joe Biden is allegedly putting together an interesting cabinet. The ending does have some strong language as a FYI.

At what point do the progressives realize they've been hoodwinked?

Or has that come and gone and I missed it?
Considering the word “populism” has been used to describe right wing movements and candidates by establishment media, they should have anticipated getting kicked to the curb heading in to this election.
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