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Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:17 am
by andy7171
I'm just a dumb lineman, so forgive me. What other country is an exception?

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:20 am
by Ibanez
GannonFan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:56 am
Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:54 am
:clap: :clap: This will be a narrow victory. You're right, there'll be no mandate. But i'm not sure that's important. Trump is bigly popular despite losing the popular vote - more Americans wanted someone else. The Democrats have continued to show how inept they are about looking at their party as a whole and looking at how their opposition wins and saying, " How can we mimic that?"

We were with friends until 4am, they're uber liberals (one is Cuban-American) and they're pissed at the Democrats. The identity politics, focusing so much energy on BLM instead kitchen politics, plays right into the Republicans hands.

We're in for a contentious few days.
I forget who it was on one of the networks I was watching last night but they said the reason why the pollsters have missed so massively across the board is that they don't properly gauge the nationalism that supports Trump. He's a despicable, awful person, and he doesn't really have any platform other than what makes him feel good at the moment, and yet he won one election and came within 2 electoral votes of winning another one, despite being hugely unpopular by wide swaths of the population. And even being as unpopular as he is he hasn't even lost control of Congress for his party either.

You think back to the Reagan days, and even the Clinton days, and heck, even the W days, and even the Obama days. Those guys won, in part, because they championed nationalism, or at least they championed patriotism. They won because they sold the idea that America was a great place, and could be an even better place. As bad as we think we have it here, we really are in a pretty good place in terms of the world. We have issues, but everyone has issues. People still will risk life and limb to get here and live here. Even people in decent places still visit here and then overstay their visas to stay here as well. America, for all of its warts, is still a really great place to be and to live out your life. But right now, Trump is mainly the guy saying that while the Dems have taken the weird tact that not only does America suck, but we've always sucked and we're intrinsically wired to suck and without a complete overhaul we'll continue to suck. I think either party who can find that person who can channel the nationalistic fervor with a good tinge of patriotism, and who isn't bedeviled by being an awful person, can really sweep up in a country desperate for something better than what we've been getting so far in terms of candidates.
I don't disagree. Go back to my identity politics critique. The Dems focus on litigating slavery and trying to make it for 200+ years of oppression while ignoring everything that is important today. And they do that at the expense of other demographics.

Dems have taken certain demographics for granted. They're catering to the African-American population and just expecting the Hispanic population to stay with them...then they wonder why Cubans in Miami are essentially what gave Trump the win in Florida. Republicans have catered to the evangelicals, but their message of anti-Socialism and anti-Communism resonates with old Cubans and the children they've raised. Republicans reached out to them and their anti-Socialism message took hold. The family we hangout with the most is a white redneck from Western NC and his 1st Gen Cuban-American wife. Her parents were born in Cuba but came over after Bay of Pigs. Castro and the revolution is still fresh in their memories and their family stories. Her family in Miami, from her perspective, are single issue voters.


You're right. 100% right. Democrats have made civic/natinal pride something to be ashamed of and then wonder why they struggle at the ballot box.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:39 am
by kalm
andy7171 wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:17 am I'm just a dumb lineman, so forgive me. What other country is an exception?
Nauru

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:42 am
by AZGrizFan
GannonFan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:56 am

I forget who it was on one of the networks I was watching last night but they said the reason why the pollsters have missed so massively across the board is that they don't properly gauge the nationalism that supports Trump. He's a despicable, awful person, and he doesn't really have any platform other than what makes him feel good at the moment, and yet he won one election and came within 2 electoral votes of winning another one, despite being hugely unpopular by wide swaths of the population. And even being as unpopular as he is he hasn't even lost control of Congress for his party either.

You think back to the Reagan days, and even the Clinton days, and heck, even the W days, and even the Obama days. Those guys won, in part, because they championed nationalism, or at least they championed patriotism. They won because they sold the idea that America was a great place, and could be an even better place. As bad as we think we have it here, we really are in a pretty good place in terms of the world. We have issues, but everyone has issues. People still will risk life and limb to get here and live here. Even people in decent places still visit here and then overstay their visas to stay here as well. America, for all of its warts, is still a really great place to be and to live out your life. But right now, Trump is mainly the guy saying that while the Dems have taken the weird tact that not only does America suck, but we've always sucked and we're intrinsically wired to suck and without a complete overhaul we'll continue to suck. I think either party who can find that person who can channel the nationalistic fervor with a good tinge of patriotism, and who isn't bedeviled by being an awful person, can really sweep up in a country desperate for something better than what we've been getting so far in terms of candidates.
And Dems are on the brink of winning by selling the idea that America is a horrible place that only THEY can fix. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

You can just SEE the Californification of the West happening....first Wa & OR, then CO, then NM, now NV and AZ.....like a fucking virus.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:44 am
by Pwns
Some good news...Prop 16 is probably losing by double digits in California. Democrats won't be able to write discrimination into law.
Hopefully that sends a message to Democrats to not go all woketard.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:55 am
by SDHornet
UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:16 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:32 am

It's over. DNC stole it.
So Trump's just trying to steal it back by stopping the vote counting on the 3rd?

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:55 am
by kalm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:42 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:56 am

I forget who it was on one of the networks I was watching last night but they said the reason why the pollsters have missed so massively across the board is that they don't properly gauge the nationalism that supports Trump. He's a despicable, awful person, and he doesn't really have any platform other than what makes him feel good at the moment, and yet he won one election and came within 2 electoral votes of winning another one, despite being hugely unpopular by wide swaths of the population. And even being as unpopular as he is he hasn't even lost control of Congress for his party either.

You think back to the Reagan days, and even the Clinton days, and heck, even the W days, and even the Obama days. Those guys won, in part, because they championed nationalism, or at least they championed patriotism. They won because they sold the idea that America was a great place, and could be an even better place. As bad as we think we have it here, we really are in a pretty good place in terms of the world. We have issues, but everyone has issues. People still will risk life and limb to get here and live here. Even people in decent places still visit here and then overstay their visas to stay here as well. America, for all of its warts, is still a really great place to be and to live out your life. But right now, Trump is mainly the guy saying that while the Dems have taken the weird tact that not only does America suck, but we've always sucked and we're intrinsically wired to suck and without a complete overhaul we'll continue to suck. I think either party who can find that person who can channel the nationalistic fervor with a good tinge of patriotism, and who isn't bedeviled by being an awful person, can really sweep up in a country desperate for something better than what we've been getting so far in terms of candidates.
And Dems are on the brink of winning by selling the idea that America is a horrible place that only THEY can fix. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

You can just SEE the Californification of the West happening....first Wa & OR, then CO, then NM, now NV and AZ.....like a fucking virus.
We can do better. :coffee:

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:02 am
by SDHornet
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:42 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:56 am

I forget who it was on one of the networks I was watching last night but they said the reason why the pollsters have missed so massively across the board is that they don't properly gauge the nationalism that supports Trump. He's a despicable, awful person, and he doesn't really have any platform other than what makes him feel good at the moment, and yet he won one election and came within 2 electoral votes of winning another one, despite being hugely unpopular by wide swaths of the population. And even being as unpopular as he is he hasn't even lost control of Congress for his party either.

You think back to the Reagan days, and even the Clinton days, and heck, even the W days, and even the Obama days. Those guys won, in part, because they championed nationalism, or at least they championed patriotism. They won because they sold the idea that America was a great place, and could be an even better place. As bad as we think we have it here, we really are in a pretty good place in terms of the world. We have issues, but everyone has issues. People still will risk life and limb to get here and live here. Even people in decent places still visit here and then overstay their visas to stay here as well. America, for all of its warts, is still a really great place to be and to live out your life. But right now, Trump is mainly the guy saying that while the Dems have taken the weird tact that not only does America suck, but we've always sucked and we're intrinsically wired to suck and without a complete overhaul we'll continue to suck. I think either party who can find that person who can channel the nationalistic fervor with a good tinge of patriotism, and who isn't bedeviled by being an awful person, can really sweep up in a country desperate for something better than what we've been getting so far in terms of candidates.
And Dems are on the brink of winning by selling the idea that America is a horrible place that only THEY can fix. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

You can just SEE the Californification of the West happening....first Wa & OR, then CO, then NM, now NV and AZ.....like a fucking virus.
With people fleeing CA and taking their leftist ideals with them, it will only get worse.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:03 am
by SDHornet

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:03 am
by 89Hen
If you can't trust the TrumpJew, who can you trust?

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:04 am
by 89Hen
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:02 am With people fleeing CA and taking their leftist ideals with them, it will only get worse.
Are the left ones leaving?

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:19 am
by Skjellyfetti
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:55 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:16 am

So Trump's just trying to steal it back by stopping the vote counting on the 3rd?
WI and MI legislatures probably should have let absentee votes start being counted prior to election day like FL and others did.

In FL, initial numbers were heavily Biden because the mail-in vote was posted first in a huge dump because they had already been scanned. Trump's election day vote gradually eroded that until he had a lead. It wasn't fraud. Just the order the counted votes.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:22 am
by kalm
89Hen wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:03 am If you can't trust the TrumpJew, who can you trust?
:lol:

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:26 am
by SDHornet
89Hen wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:04 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:02 am With people fleeing CA and taking their leftist ideals with them, it will only get worse.
Are the left ones leaving?
The folks with the means and ability to work elsewhere were the first wave. It's basically 2:1 D when looking at voter registration.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:27 am
by SDHornet
Skjellyfetti wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:19 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:55 am

WI and MI legislatures probably should have let absentee votes start being counted prior to election day like FL and others did.

In FL, initial numbers were heavily Biden because the mail-in vote was posted first in a huge dump because they had already been scanned. Trump's election day vote gradually eroded that until he had a lead. It wasn't fraud. Just the order the counted votes.
Sure.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:30 am
by BDKJMU
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:09 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:37 pm What is up with Georgia??? There’s about 600k votes left from counties that Clinton won. About 90k remaining from counties Trump won. NYT has started tilting towards Biden.

Who would’ve thought Georgia would be a battleground??


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Sounds like Biden up 40k in GA
I never saw Biden up in GA.
FNC shows GA now 94% reporting, Trump up by over 100k, over 2%.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 am
by BDKJMU
Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:28 am
SDHornet wrote:
Sounds like Biden up 40k in GA
And counting.


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I’d already gone to bed. So GA went from Trump up, to Biden up, to Trump up?

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 am
by Ibanez
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:03 am
Seems legit. Look at all the data he supplied to back it up.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:34 am
by BDKJMU
Baldy wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:51 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:40 am

Eh, he came on after the GA news. Babbling on about how great he did doesn't matter if it doesn't align with the results.
He's still up by about 118,000 with 93.3% in. They're running out of votes, but it's gonna be razor thin either way.
Yeah, I don’t know where this Biden up in Jawjah came from, unless different news organizations reporting different #s, or some weird shit going on down there..

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:35 am
by Gil Dobie
AP has Biden with 238, with NV 6, MI 16 and WI 10, that's 270.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:38 am
by BDKJMU
Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:01 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:56 am Not surprised to wake up with Biden in the lead in almost all of the remaining seats after mail in votes are counted. MI Senate race had John James up sizeable and now it's pretty paltry ~60k lead. DNC will manufacture the ballots to pull that one out.

Either way you slice it this is the worst case for the country as I'm sure the legal battle will rage on for weeks. Was hoping to have a decided outcome one way or another so everyone can move on, I know that was asking a lot.
We knew it was going to be like this. The narrow margins really tell a story of how divided we are - something I wish we can overcome.
Well polls told us it was going to be a Biden landslide. The last RCP had Biden +7.2%
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -6247.html
At the end it will be around 2% maybe.

Most of the battlegrounds polling averages were off by a similar amount.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:40 am
by BDKJMU
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:07 am
Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:01 am

We knew it was going to be like this. The narrow margins really tell a story of how divided we are - something I wish we can overcome.
Did we? Pollsters had Biden WAY up. Lots of suppression polling.
Beat me to it. The polls (with a few exceptions) by and large have proven themselves over back to back elections to be fake news.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:50 am
by Ibanez
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:30 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:09 am

Sounds like Biden up 40k in GA
I never saw Biden up in GA.
FNC shows GA now 94% reporting, Trump up by over 100k, over 2%.
The remaining, early voting and absentee ballots for Fulton county will most likely benefit Biden. Not sure if it's enough to flip the state.

Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:51 am
by Skjellyfetti
Wisconsin as all but done. Could go to recount, but Trump would need a miracle.


Re: 2020 General Election

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:51 am
by BDKJMU
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:42 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:56 am

I forget who it was on one of the networks I was watching last night but they said the reason why the pollsters have missed so massively across the board is that they don't properly gauge the nationalism that supports Trump. He's a despicable, awful person, and he doesn't really have any platform other than what makes him feel good at the moment, and yet he won one election and came within 2 electoral votes of winning another one, despite being hugely unpopular by wide swaths of the population. And even being as unpopular as he is he hasn't even lost control of Congress for his party either.

You think back to the Reagan days, and even the Clinton days, and heck, even the W days, and even the Obama days. Those guys won, in part, because they championed nationalism, or at least they championed patriotism. They won because they sold the idea that America was a great place, and could be an even better place. As bad as we think we have it here, we really are in a pretty good place in terms of the world. We have issues, but everyone has issues. People still will risk life and limb to get here and live here. Even people in decent places still visit here and then overstay their visas to stay here as well. America, for all of its warts, is still a really great place to be and to live out your life. But right now, Trump is mainly the guy saying that while the Dems have taken the weird tact that not only does America suck, but we've always sucked and we're intrinsically wired to suck and without a complete overhaul we'll continue to suck. I think either party who can find that person who can channel the nationalistic fervor with a good tinge of patriotism, and who isn't bedeviled by being an awful person, can really sweep up in a country desperate for something better than what we've been getting so far in terms of candidates.
And Dems are on the brink of winning by selling the idea that America is a horrible place that only THEY can fix. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

You can just SEE the Californification of the West happening....first Wa & OR, then CO, then NM, now NV and AZ.....like a fucking virus.
Spreading to TX too.

At least ID, MT, WY, UT, + the prairie states should be holding out for awhile..