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Jon...dbackjon wrote:Already seeing it on-line - "the brutal incineration of Civilians by the US"! Japan only targeted military units!!
I've brought up the Rape/Massacre of Nanking several times only to see the poster slink away with no response
CID1990 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:51 pmJon...dbackjon wrote:Already seeing it on-line - "the brutal incineration of Civilians by the US"! Japan only targeted military units!!
I've brought up the Rape/Massacre of Nanking several times only to see the poster slink away with no response
Sometimes you are oddly congruent
That is a cool museum.Rob Iola wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:56 pm Prevented Olympic and its estimated million casualties.
Side note - my old Beltway bandit employer used to have their annual meeting at the Air and Space museum annex by Dulles airport - kinda creepy having a big cocktail party under the wings of the Enola Gay...
The NAZIS were observers to Nanking and tried to stop the atrocity. At that point, you know you’ve gone too far.dbackjon wrote:Already seeing it on-line - "the brutal incineration of Civilians by the US"! Japan only targeted military units!!
I've brought up the Rape/Massacre of Nanking several times only to see the poster slink away with no response
*haveWinterborn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:03 amThat is a cool museum.Rob Iola wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:56 pm Prevented Olympic and its estimated million casualties.
Side note - my old Beltway bandit employer used to have their annual meeting at the Air and Space museum annex by Dulles airport - kinda creepy having a big cocktail party under the wings of the Enola Gay...
Between the space shuttle Discovery, SR-71, and the Enola Gay I was a happy camper. I could of wandered that place all day.
If you're so inclined, when things get back to normal look up the September Dulles Day Plane Pull (planepull.com) and the associated Dulles Day 5K/10K on the Runway - basically a huge festival at the airport (morning run from the museum onto runway 1R - which hopefully ATC remembered to close - followed by team tug-of-war competition vs. a Fedex or United jet) - worth a trip to the DC area...Winterborn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:03 amThat is a cool museum.Rob Iola wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:56 pm Prevented Olympic and its estimated million casualties.
Side note - my old Beltway bandit employer used to have their annual meeting at the Air and Space museum annex by Dulles airport - kinda creepy having a big cocktail party under the wings of the Enola Gay...
Between the space shuttle Discovery, SR-71, and the Enola Gay I was a happy camper. I could of wandered that place all day.
I will definitely add it to the list of things to check out when I am back in DC.Rob Iola wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:39 amIf you're so inclined, when things get back to normal look up the September Dulles Day Plane Pull (planepull.com) and the associated Dulles Day 5K/10K on the Runway - basically a huge festival at the airport (morning run from the museum onto runway 1R - which hopefully ATC remembered to close - followed by team tug-of-war competition vs. a Fedex or United jet) - worth a trip to the DC area...Winterborn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:03 am
That is a cool museum.
Between the space shuttle Discovery, SR-71, and the Enola Gay I was a happy camper. I could of wandered that place all day.
I could of used have, but I forgot.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:59 am*haveWinterborn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:03 am
That is a cool museum.
Between the space shuttle Discovery, SR-71, and the Enola Gay I was a happy camper. I could of wandered that place all day.
Not sure if I should be insulted or what...CID1990 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:51 pmJon...dbackjon wrote:Already seeing it on-line - "the brutal incineration of Civilians by the US"! Japan only targeted military units!!
I've brought up the Rape/Massacre of Nanking several times only to see the poster slink away with no response
Sometimes you are oddly congruent
well, irregardless….
Yep. D-Day Japan would have made D-Day Normandy look like tiddly winks in comparison. Good chance my grandfather (wounded in Germany in 1945), would have taken part, as his division was slated to.Rob Iola wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:56 pm Prevented Olympic and its estimated million casualties.
Side note - my old Beltway bandit employer used to have their annual meeting at the Air and Space museum annex by Dulles airport - kinda creepy having a big cocktail party under the wings of the Enola Gay...
Exactly. The Japanese civilians were instructed to fight to the death and we had already seen that play out on Okinawa (that and the suicides). It was 75 years ago...too late to say it was a bad or good decision or get all in a tizzy over it.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:57 amYep. D-Day Japan would have made D-Day Normandy look like tiddly winks in comparison. Good chance my grandfather (wounded in Germany in 1945), would have taken part, as his division was slated to.Rob Iola wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:56 pm Prevented Olympic and its estimated million casualties.
Side note - my old Beltway bandit employer used to have their annual meeting at the Air and Space museum annex by Dulles airport - kinda creepy having a big cocktail party under the wings of the Enola Gay...
You still have people who refuse to believe that dropping the A bombs almost certainly saved several hundred thousand American lives, but Japanese lives as well, as an invasion late 1945-1946 would have cost hundreds of thousands more, or possibly millions more, Japanese lives, than the 200k mas or menos that died as a result of the A-bombs.
I can see the other sides tweets too: <Time for reparations for Japan! Our horrifically racist decision to nuke those poor innocent civilians...the horror!>
I think we're good with Japan. We democratized their culture, gave women the right to vote, and payed reparations to those we rounded up in the states. 
The wealth created on the backs of slaves in the South was either confiscated by the U.S. Government or destroyed during the war. Perhaps the Yankees who actually conducted the slave trade should pay reparations to blacks and the South. Where do you think the money came from to build all those spectacular mansions in Newport, RI?Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:36 am
If we're going to discuss reparations to blacks, and I think we should, it should probably be best to avoid direct cash payments. Give tax incentives, make it easier for blacks to get a business loan or home loan but sunset the legislation that allows for those things. There's a boatload of generation wealth that whites enjoy and it was done on the backs of slaves, it might not be a bad idea to discuss how best to help that happen.
That said - there are public schools, affirmative action (though this is horribly flawed) and opportunity zones already in effect. But those can and should be improved upon.
Those are just my thoughts. I find this topic interesting and am open to discussion and modifying my ideas.
and a fairly good sized on in Asheville, NC.CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:00 amThe wealth created on the backs of slaves in the South was either confiscated by the U.S. Government or destroyed during the war. Perhaps the Yankees who actually conducted the slave trade should pay reparations to blacks and the South. Where do you think the money came from to build all those spectacular mansions in Newport, RI?Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:36 am
If we're going to discuss reparations to blacks, and I think we should, it should probably be best to avoid direct cash payments. Give tax incentives, make it easier for blacks to get a business loan or home loan but sunset the legislation that allows for those things. There's a boatload of generation wealth that whites enjoy and it was done on the backs of slaves, it might not be a bad idea to discuss how best to help that happen.
That said - there are public schools, affirmative action (though this is horribly flawed) and opportunity zones already in effect. But those can and should be improved upon.
Those are just my thoughts. I find this topic interesting and am open to discussion and modifying my ideas.
