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How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:23 am
by kalm
I haven’t really considered these type of tactics realistic but this article caught my attention. The Bulwark ain’t exactly a sensationalistic/lefty rag either.
How to Steal an Election
Four ways Trump can still win, 89 days out.
by DMITRI MEHLHORN AUGUST 6, 2020
If you want the bad news all at once, the TL/DR is this:
(1) Trump can use normal tactics to win outright or make the race closer.
(2) COVID problems with election administration can take up to 6 percent off of Biden’s margin.
(3) Trump and the GOP might use historically unprecedented tactics to stay in power despite losing.
(4) pro-Trump foreign actors will be using similar but more aggressive tactics to their 2016 interference.
The combination of these tactics gives Trump a solid chance to stay in power. So let’s talk about them.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:43 am
by CAA Flagship
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:47 am
by kalm
I agree, Flaggy. It’s going to be a shit show regardless. Even if Trump loses he still has 2 1/2 months in office to burn it down some some more.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:04 am
by 89Hen
Billionaire Reid Hoffman’s venture capital–fueled crusade to save democracy had a bit of a bumpy start. In early 2017, Hoffman joined forces with political strategist Dmitri Mehlhorn, among others, investing some $3 million in Democratic candidates and groups in Virginia with the goal of flipping the state’s Republican-held legislature.
Credibility >>>>>> Window
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04 ... -democracy
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:24 am
by SeattleGriz
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:23 am
I haven’t really considered these type of tactics realistic but this article caught my attention. The Bulwark ain’t exactly a sensationalistic/lefty rag either.
How to Steal an Election
Four ways Trump can still win, 89 days out.
by DMITRI MEHLHORN AUGUST 6, 2020
If you want the bad news all at once, the TL/DR is this:
(1) Trump can use normal tactics to win outright or make the race closer.
(2) COVID problems with election administration can take up to 6 percent off of Biden’s margin.
(3) Trump and the GOP might use historically unprecedented tactics to stay in power despite losing.
(4) pro-Trump foreign actors will be using similar but more aggressive tactics to their 2016 interference.
The combination of these tactics gives Trump a solid chance to stay in power. So let’s talk about them.
Not a Lefty rag, but Never Trumpers who've lost relevance on the political scene.
Weren't you just trying to sell us on Trump dropping out?
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:32 am
by kalm
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:24 am
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:23 am
I haven’t really considered these type of tactics realistic but this article caught my attention. The Bulwark ain’t exactly a sensationalistic/lefty rag either.
Not a Lefty rag, but Never Trumpers who've lost relevance on the political scene.
Weren't you just trying to sell us on Trump dropping out?
Yes. Still think there’s a chance if polls continue on their trend.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:36 am
by kalm
89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:04 am
Billionaire Reid Hoffman’s venture capital–fueled crusade to save democracy had a bit of a bumpy start. In early 2017, Hoffman joined forces with political strategist Dmitri Mehlhorn, among others, investing some $3 million in Democratic candidates and groups in Virginia with the goal of flipping the state’s Republican-held legislature.
Credibility >>>>>> Window
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04 ... -democracy
So? Moderate Conservatives (similar to the Lincoln Group) who Trump scared out of the party.
You’re still a moderate, aren’t you, 89?
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:42 am
by 89Hen
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:36 am
So? Moderate Conservatives (similar to the Lincoln Group) who Trump scared out of the party.
You’re still a moderate, aren’t you, 89?
No. You and others have moved so far left, I now appear to be Alt-Right in comparison. But it's an optical illusion.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:55 am
by Baldy
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:23 am
I haven’t really considered these type of tactics realistic but this article caught my attention. The Bulwark ain’t exactly a sensationalistic/lefty rag either.
How to Steal an Election
Four ways Trump can still win, 89 days out.
by DMITRI MEHLHORN AUGUST 6, 2020
If you want the bad news all at once, the TL/DR is this:
(1) Trump can use normal tactics to win outright or make the race closer.
(2) COVID problems with election administration can take up to 6 percent off of Biden’s margin.
(3) Trump and the GOP might use historically unprecedented tactics to stay in power despite losing.
(4) pro-Trump foreign actors will be using similar but more aggressive tactics to their 2016 interference.
The combination of these tactics gives Trump a solid chance to stay in power. So let’s talk about them.
Bulwark
An entire gaggle of JSO's.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:01 am
by UNI88
The key to Trump winning is the number of "proud" Trump supporters there are in the swing states who are too ashamed to tell pollsters that they support Trump.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:07 am
by kalm
89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:42 am
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:36 am
So? Moderate Conservatives (similar to the Lincoln Group) who Trump scared out of the party.
You’re still a moderate, aren’t you, 89?
No. You and others have moved so far left, I now appear to be Alt-Right in comparison. But it's an optical illusion.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:22 am
by BDKJMU
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:36 am
So? Moderate Conservatives (similar to the
Lincoln Group) who Trump scared out of the party.
You’re still a moderate, aren’t you, 89?
A handful of Deep Staters with ties to Russia. You hear about them because the left loves to fete any so called conk groups that are anti Trump. Nat Review dubbing them the 'Grifter Project' is apropos..
https://nypost.com/2020/07/21/lincoln-p ... bles-docs/
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:27 am
by UNI88
89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:42 am
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:36 am
So? Moderate Conservatives (similar to the Lincoln Group) who Trump scared out of the party.
You’re still a moderate, aren’t you, 89?
No. You and others have moved so far left, I now appear to be Alt-Right in comparison. But it's an optical illusion.
You're not alt-right and Kalm isn't ctrl-left.
Kalm's post-partisan status is up for review and might be denied by the Post-Partisan Council since he consistently defends the ctrl-left while criticizing the right. Balance is required to be a post-partisan.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:47 am
by Ivytalk
Everything Bill Kristol touches eventually turns to shit.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:03 am
by houndawg
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:23 am
I haven’t really considered these type of tactics realistic but this article caught my attention. The Bulwark ain’t exactly a sensationalistic/lefty rag either.
How to Steal an Election
Four ways Trump can still win, 89 days out.
by DMITRI MEHLHORN AUGUST 6, 2020
If you want the bad news all at once, the TL/DR is this:
(1) Trump can use normal tactics to win outright or make the race closer.
(2) COVID problems with election administration can take up to 6 percent off of Biden’s margin.
(3) Trump and the GOP might use historically unprecedented tactics to stay in power despite losing.
(4) pro-Trump foreign actors will be using similar but more aggressive tactics to their 2016 interference.
The combination of these tactics gives Trump a solid chance to stay in power. So let’s talk about them.
The possibility is open for an outcome that would be every bit as entertaining as Lardass getting reelected and facing a Blue Congress: His boy successfully fucks up the USPS to the point where the count is delayed beyond 20JAN'21....
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:10 am
by ∞∞∞
Trump already won.
Even if he isn't reelected, he'll be a figurehead President with oversized social influence. That's how cults work.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:23 am
by Ibanez
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:22 am
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:36 am
So? Moderate Conservatives (similar to the
Lincoln Group) who Trump scared out of the party.
You’re still a moderate, aren’t you, 89?
A handful of Deep Staters with ties to Russia. You hear about them because the left loves to fete any so called conk groups that are anti Trump. Nat Review dubbing them the 'Grifter Project' is apropos..
https://nypost.com/2020/07/21/lincoln-p ... bles-docs/
What constitutes a "deep stater?" Is it anyone in the gov't that puts country before party? A bureaucrat that doesn't suck up to the administration?
I'd be willing to bet Trump has some shady finances. After all - he developed Real Estate in New York and New Jersey during the height of the mob running NYC and was mentored by Roy Cohn who was an attorney for mobsters. The company you keep says a lot about you.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:26 am
by Ibanez
Ivytalk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:47 am
Everything Bill Kristol touches eventually turns to shit.
Like Dan Quayle?
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:34 am
by Ivytalk
Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:26 am
Ivytalk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:47 am
Everything Bill Kristol touches eventually turns to shit.
Like Dan Quayle?
Was Quayle recommended to HW Bush by Kristol? I didn’t know that. But his track record of publications isn’t great.
The Weekly Standard is kaput, and
The Bulwark will fold within a year after Trump leaves office.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:48 am
by SeattleGriz
UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:01 am
The key to Trump winning is the number of "proud" Trump supporters there are in the swing states who are too ashamed to tell pollsters that they support Trump.
Already covered this. The majority of the polls are undersampling Republicans by 9%, just like last time...when Hillary had a 99% chance of winning.
Suppression polls.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:04 am
by Ibanez
Ivytalk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:34 am
Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:26 am
Like Dan Quayle?
Was Quayle recommended to HW Bush by Kristol? I didn’t know that. But his track record of publications isn’t great.
The Weekly Standard is kaput, and
The Bulwark will fold within a year after Trump leaves office.
I thought I was told that long ago when he came up in a conversation. I gotta give him credit for standing up for Republican principles and seeing Trump for the charlatan he is.
The Bulwark is interesting but it serves to oppose Trump. Unless it changes tack, or the GOP continues to be the Party of Trump, I agree that it will cease to operate.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:18 am
by UNI88
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:48 am
UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:01 am
The key to Trump winning is the number of "proud" Trump supporters there are in the swing states who are too ashamed to tell pollsters that they support Trump.
Already covered this. The majority of the polls are undersampling Republicans by 9%, just like last time...when Hillary had a 99% chance of winning.
Suppression polls.
They might be undersampling Uumpa Truumpas but I'm guessing that there are a larger number of them who are afraid to admit that they're voting for him when polled? It's interesting that supposedly "proud" supporters might be too ashamed to admit it.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:42 am
by AZGrizFan
∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:10 am
Trump already won.
Even if he isn't reelected, he'll be a figurehead President with oversized social influence. That's how cults work.
See ==> "Barack Hussein Obama"
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:47 am
by SeattleGriz
UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:18 am
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:48 am
Already covered this. The majority of the polls are undersampling Republicans by 9%, just like last time...when Hillary had a 99% chance of winning.
Suppression polls.
They might be undersampling Uumpa Truumpas but I'm guessing that there are a larger number of them who are afraid to admit that they're voting for him when polled? It's interesting that supposedly "proud" supporters might be too ashamed to admit it.
Being proud doesn't prevent the unhinged left from attacking people who support Trump.
The normalization of aggression against differing points of view is what is causing "proud" Trump supporters from openly stating their support, not shame.
You know what a Trump sticker gets you around my area? Yard trashed and car keyed.
Re: How Trump Wins
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:50 am
by AZGrizFan
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:47 am
UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:18 am
They might be undersampling Uumpa Truumpas but I'm guessing that there are a larger number of them who are afraid to admit that they're voting for him when polled? It's interesting that supposedly "proud" supporters might be too ashamed to admit it.
Being proud doesn't prevent the unhinged left from attacking people who support Trump.
The normalization of aggression against differing points of view is what is causing "proud" Trump supporters from openly stating their support, not shame.
You know what a Trump sticker gets you around my area? Yard trashed and car keyed.
Exactly. Sad that UNI's views have changed so radically since his move.