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Deviation from party orthodoxy? Shit, Ibanez, you ain’t seen nothin’ until you’ve witnessed a “you’re not a real Libertarian” cat fight!
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Ivytalk wrote:Deviation from party orthodoxy? Shit, Ibanez, you ain’t seen nothin’ until you’ve witnessed a “you’re not a real Libertarian” cat fight!
Yeah I’m not a full on libertarian because we part ways on immigration.

A lot of “pure” libertarians don’t seem to realize that their open borders beliefs only work if the entire world is libertarian and all countries and cultures play by that same set of principles.


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CID1990 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:53 am
Ivytalk wrote:Deviation from party orthodoxy? Shit, Ibanez, you ain’t seen nothin’ until you’ve witnessed a “you’re not a real Libertarian” cat fight!
Yeah I’m not a full on libertarian because we part ways on immigration.

A lot of “pure” libertarians don’t seem to realize that their open borders beliefs only work if the entire world is libertarian and all countries and cultures play by that same set of principles.


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Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:11 am
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Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:53 am

Yeah I’m not a full on libertarian because we part ways on immigration.

A lot of “pure” libertarians don’t seem to realize that their open borders beliefs only work if the entire world is libertarian and all countries and cultures play by that same set of principles.


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Ibanez wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:55 am
UNI88 wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:53 pm


Socialism will work this time = crazy
Capitalism is evil and we must get rid of it = crazy
Antifa is an anti-fascist group = crazy
Rioting, looting and brutalizing people is an acceptable way to protest police brutality = crazy
Silence is violence and similar philosophies should apply to others but not us = crazy

I could go on and on. The ctrl-left is just as bat-sh!t crazy as the alt-right.
Exactly. They even both have their cults of personality. It took the Republicans longer to get there, but anyone that criticizes Trump is a traitor to the party, has TDS and is an un-American. We see that crap here. You cannot be a true Republican if you are going to think for yourself and express an opinion that is contrary to the party line.
Oh bullshit. Feel free to criticize Trump all you want. It’s when bring a Trump supporter is equated with being a racist, a sexist, a bigot, a Nazi, a pedophile, a liar, a cheat, a blah blah blah blah that you’re gonna get called on it. Damned near every single open Trump supporter here (with 1 or 2 notable exceptions) has expressed significant reservations about him and his words/actions. I’d LOVE to have a better alternative, but he’s STILL the best of the two shitty alternatives. Criticize Trump. Criticize his policy actions, but don’t play that bullshit and assign HIS perceived shortcomings to every single conservative—that shit only flys on one side of the aisle.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:21 am
Ibanez wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:55 am

Exactly. They even both have their cults of personality. It took the Republicans longer to get there, but anyone that criticizes Trump is a traitor to the party, has TDS and is an un-American. We see that crap here. You cannot be a true Republican if you are going to think for yourself and express an opinion that is contrary to the party line.
Oh bullshit. Feel free to criticize Trump all you want. It’s when bring a Trump supporter is equated with being a racist, a sexist, a bigot, a Nazi, a pedophile, a liar, a cheat, a blah blah blah blah that you’re gonna get called on it. Damned near every single open Trump supporter here (with 1 or 2 notable exceptions) has expressed significant reservations about him and his words/actions. I’d LOVE to have a better alternative, but he’s STILL the best of the two shitty alternatives. Criticize Trump. Criticize his policy actions, but don’t play that bullshit and assign HIS perceived shortcomings to every single conservative—that shit only flys on one side of the aisle.
You can criticize Trump here no problem but there are echo chambers where it isn't accepted. I criticize Trump on AGS and get called names, they back off when I post that I preferred him to Hillary but he is a despicable human being. There are a few that see nothing hypocritical about calling Biden Creepy Joe but think there is nothing to the 25 sexual misconduct and worse allegations against Trump. They mock the liberals and use racial innuendos. I'm pretty sure that AGS isn't the only place that is happening and isn't the worst. There are idiots on both sides stereotyping and using broad generalizations about the opposition.

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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:38 am
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Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:21 am


Oh bullshit. Feel free to criticize Trump all you want. It’s when bring a Trump supporter is equated with being a racist, a sexist, a bigot, a Nazi, a pedophile, a liar, a cheat, a blah blah blah blah that you’re gonna get called on it. Damned near every single open Trump supporter here (with 1 or 2 notable exceptions) has expressed significant reservations about him and his words/actions. I’d LOVE to have a better alternative, but he’s STILL the best of the two shitty alternatives. Criticize Trump. Criticize his policy actions, but don’t play that bullshit and assign HIS perceived shortcomings to every single conservative—that shit only flys on one side of the aisle.
You can criticize Trump here no problem but there are echo chambers where it isn't accepted. I criticize Trump on AGS and get called names, they back off when I post that I preferred him to Hillary but he is a despicable human being. There are a few that see nothing hypocritical about calling Biden Creepy Joe but think there is nothing to the 25 sexual misconduct and worse allegations against Trump. They mock the liberals and use racial innuendos. I'm pretty sure that AGS isn't the only place that is happening and isn't the worst. There are idiots on both sides stereotyping and using broad generalizations about the opposition.
Trump Train is running wild over on AGS. You are either on the Train or considered a far left radical over there.
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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:38 am
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Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:21 am


Oh bullshit. Feel free to criticize Trump all you want. It’s when bring a Trump supporter is equated with being a racist, a sexist, a bigot, a Nazi, a pedophile, a liar, a cheat, a blah blah blah blah that you’re gonna get called on it. Damned near every single open Trump supporter here (with 1 or 2 notable exceptions) has expressed significant reservations about him and his words/actions. I’d LOVE to have a better alternative, but he’s STILL the best of the two shitty alternatives. Criticize Trump. Criticize his policy actions, but don’t play that bullshit and assign HIS perceived shortcomings to every single conservative—that shit only flys on one side of the aisle.
You can criticize Trump here no problem but there are echo chambers where it isn't accepted. I criticize Trump on AGS and get called names, they back off when I post that I preferred him to Hillary but he is a despicable human being. There are a few that see nothing hypocritical about calling Biden Creepy Joe but think there is nothing to the 25 sexual misconduct and worse allegations against Trump. They mock the liberals and use racial innuendos. I'm pretty sure that AGS isn't the only place that is happening and isn't the worst. There are idiots on both sides stereotyping and using broad generalizations about the opposition.
Well this ain’t AGS.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:46 am
UNI88 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:38 am

You can criticize Trump here no problem but there are echo chambers where it isn't accepted. I criticize Trump on AGS and get called names, they back off when I post that I preferred him to Hillary but he is a despicable human being. There are a few that see nothing hypocritical about calling Biden Creepy Joe but think there is nothing to the 25 sexual misconduct and worse allegations against Trump. They mock the liberals and use racial innuendos. I'm pretty sure that AGS isn't the only place that is happening and isn't the worst. There are idiots on both sides stereotyping and using broad generalizations about the opposition.
Well this ain’t AGS.
That's why I like it here.but I would guess that there are plenty of sites like AGS and worse where the alt-righters are hammering their keyboards and believing all of the BS that they type is fact because everyone else in their echo chambers agree. It's a disease that is infecting both the right and the left.

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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:55 am
AZGrizFan wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:46 am


Well this ain’t AGS.
That's why I like it here.but I would guess that there are plenty of sites like AGS and worse where the alt-righters are hammering their keyboards and believing all of the BS that they type is fact because everyone else in their echo chambers agree. It's a disease that is infecting both the right and the left.
Oh no doubt. Just like the ctrl-Lefties....but Mark attributed those qualities to THIS site, and I think that’s just flat incorrect.
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89Hen wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:48 am
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Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:24 am
Face it, in today's political climate there is no room for deviation. You must believe everything the party platform prescribes or else you are a traitor, a RINO, a whatever the left will call you. 100%, blind loyalty is required and any deviation from that is verboten. It's the same regardless of party. :twocents:
I agree on the premise but not the level at which it's done from each side. Politicians on the right who do not toe the line are called RINO's and cast out, but the left does that with constituents. Biden saying you aint black, mobs yelling at people who won't put up the fist, etc..

That's always been my problem with the left. I have FAR more friends who are on the right and I have quite a few that are DEEP end right. But I know far more people who are DEEP end left.
So we agree in principle. I wasn't trying to imply that they do this equally, I apologize for any confusion.

I agree that the left commits this "sin" far too often than the right. However, the Right has been playing catch up since 2016.

The recent, "you must be as outraged and committed as I am" litmus test that the left is adopting is going to eventually eat them (in fact, hasn't that already begun to an extent?). The purity tests from both flanks is going to swallow them whole. :twocents:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:21 am
Ibanez wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:55 am

Exactly. They even both have their cults of personality. It took the Republicans longer to get there, but anyone that criticizes Trump is a traitor to the party, has TDS and is an un-American. We see that crap here. You cannot be a true Republican if you are going to think for yourself and express an opinion that is contrary to the party line.
Oh bullshit. Feel free to criticize Trump all you want. It’s when bring a Trump supporter is equated with being a racist, a sexist, a bigot, a Nazi, a pedophile, a liar, a cheat, a blah blah blah blah that you’re gonna get called on it. Damned near every single open Trump supporter here (with 1 or 2 notable exceptions) has expressed significant reservations about him and his words/actions. I’d LOVE to have a better alternative, but he’s STILL the best of the two shitty alternatives. Criticize Trump. Criticize his policy actions, but don’t play that bullshit and assign HIS perceived shortcomings to every single conservative—that shit only flys on one side of the aisle.
I'm telling you Tom, Republicans can't protest his actions or comments w/o the base getting riled up and calling him/her a traitor, loser, snowflake, etc...
I'm not talking about equating a Trump supporter to a baby killer. I'm saying that Congressman X speaks out against Trump or differs from him and they are suddenly a loser, traitor, needs to be thrown out or lose their leadership position. Liz Cheney spoke out and that drew the ire of Trump, Rand Paul and others. Same thing with Flake and John McCain. He spoke out, had the audacity to have his own opinions and was ridiculed and driven out of the party. Did Republicans change or has the Republican Party changed? Mitt Romney was the same. The Republicans are going through their own purity movement.
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Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:48 am
Deviation from party orthodoxy? Shit, Ibanez, you ain’t seen nothin’ until you’ve witnessed a “you’re not a real Libertarian” cat fight!
:lol: :lol: I have not seen that. Is it a nasty fight? fisticuffs?
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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:38 am
AZGrizFan wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:21 am


Oh bullshit. Feel free to criticize Trump all you want. It’s when bring a Trump supporter is equated with being a racist, a sexist, a bigot, a Nazi, a pedophile, a liar, a cheat, a blah blah blah blah that you’re gonna get called on it. Damned near every single open Trump supporter here (with 1 or 2 notable exceptions) has expressed significant reservations about him and his words/actions. I’d LOVE to have a better alternative, but he’s STILL the best of the two shitty alternatives. Criticize Trump. Criticize his policy actions, but don’t play that bullshit and assign HIS perceived shortcomings to every single conservative—that shit only flys on one side of the aisle.
You can criticize Trump here no problem but there are echo chambers where it isn't accepted. I criticize Trump on AGS and get called names, they back off when I post that I preferred him to Hillary but he is a despicable human being. There are a few that see nothing hypocritical about calling Biden Creepy Joe but think there is nothing to the 25 sexual misconduct and worse allegations against Trump. They mock the liberals and use racial innuendos. I'm pretty sure that AGS isn't the only place that is happening and isn't the worst. There are idiots on both sides stereotyping and using broad generalizations about the opposition.
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***just like the last couple nights, this post dedicated to any violence coverage tonight. Posts will be delayed for officers safety. NO COMMENTING OFFICERS MOVEMENTS***
***incident command active. All resources are at the ready for tonight***
***1920 - confirmed reports of about 50 cars coming down from the north
***there is a group walking downtown right now. Peaceful so far near 52nd st/14th ave
***1945 - there is a vehicle convoy following the group walking. Also reports from nearby gas stations of multiple vehicles filling up gas cans
***vehicle convoy parking at library park. People are putting on soft body armor and carrying shields
***multiple groups are outside residential and business areas with weapons guarding their properties
***MALE WHITE w/black shirt and pants popping vehicle tires near 58th st/6th ave. Suspect fled
***delayed - group near the courthouse starting to launch mortar fireworks towards officers
***2126 - officers have been arresting people that have been carrying gas cans
***officers requesting help by the dinosaur museum group of MALE BLACKS w/all black clothing near the museum. One with a gas can
***update - group downtown has attempted to set fires and have been unable to....there have been smaller fires that have been put out. More reports of people getting out of vehicles wearing all black near 60th st/Sheridan area
***PPPD getting calls of armed people in neighborhoods, but they are armed neighborhood watch groups
***2346 - reports of rioters setting cars on fire at a dealership at Sheridan rd/63rd st
***2 civilians shot and are at KMH ER. Setting up perimeter at 63rd st/14th ave.
***2 suspects are IN CUSTODY. One outstanding..Slender MALE BLACK
***third gunshot victim walking into KMH ER
***addl shooting victim at 63rd/Sheridan rd that was PNB. ME has been requested
***0011 - a weapon has been recovered dumped by suspects
***shooting near 63rd/Sheridan was poss done by a armed civilian against the armed rioters. MALE WHITE W/khakis and orange backpack. Seen on video. KPD has the video footage
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UNI88 wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:53 pm
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Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:46 pm


LOL - exact opposite.
Socialism will work this time = crazy
Capitalism is evil and we must get rid of it = crazy
Antifa is an anti-fascist group = crazy
Rioting, looting and brutalizing people is an acceptable way to protest police brutality = crazy
Silence is violence and similar philosophies should apply to others but not us = crazy

I could go on and on. The ctrl-left is just as bat-sh!t crazy as the alt-right.
OOOHHH the Socialist boogeyman. You Conks love socialism when it helps you. When you say the Democrats are socialists, and anti-capitalism, you show how clueless you are.

but go ahead, shoot some protesters after getting the OK from the police. That's not crazy
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So a boogaloo teenager from Illinois, gets a bottle of water from Kenosha police, thanked for being there (even though he is illegally open carrying,
Shoots dead two protesters, and the police let him leave without detaining him.


And you wonder why there is violence.
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dbackjon wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:35 am
UNI88 wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:53 pm

Socialism will work this time = crazy
Capitalism is evil and we must get rid of it = crazy
Antifa is an anti-fascist group = crazy
Rioting, looting and brutalizing people is an acceptable way to protest police brutality = crazy
Silence is violence and similar philosophies should apply to others but not us = crazy

I could go on and on. The ctrl-left is just as bat-sh!t crazy as the alt-right.
OOOHHH the Socialist boogeyman. You Conks love socialism when it helps you. When you say the Democrats are socialists, and anti-capitalism, you show how clueless you are.

but go ahead, shoot some protesters after getting the OK from the police. That's not crazy
Sure if I was the only one saying it but Donks themselves are saying it.

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These are just examples of Donks who are glamorizing a failed economic ideology that leads to authoritarianism and has caused far more deaths than Hitler and fascism.

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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:48 am
dbackjon wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:35 am


OOOHHH the Socialist boogeyman. You Conks love socialism when it helps you. When you say the Democrats are socialists, and anti-capitalism, you show how clueless you are.

but go ahead, shoot some protesters after getting the OK from the police. That's not crazy
Sure if I was the only one saying it but Donks themselves are saying it.

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AOC is an admitted anti-capitalist and is/was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) an organization that:
believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state
These are just examples of Donks who are glamorizing a failed economic ideology that leads to authoritarianism and has caused far more deaths than Hitler and fascism.
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Ibanez wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:38 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:48 am
Deviation from party orthodoxy? Shit, Ibanez, you ain’t seen nothin’ until you’ve witnessed a “you’re not a real Libertarian” cat fight!
:lol: :lol: I have not seen that. Is it a nasty fight? fisticuffs?
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Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:04 am
Ibanez wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:38 am


:lol: :lol: I have not seen that. Is it a nasty fight? fisticuffs?
It’s all online. The Internet comment threads at the 2020 LP National Convention were epic!
Tell him about the excessive use of silly string and the feather pillow beatings during in-person meetings. :D

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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:07 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:04 am


It’s all online. The Internet comment threads at the 2020 LP National Convention were epic!
Tell him about the excessive use of silly string and the feather pillow beatings during in-person meetings. :D
Not even, 88. This is all virtual bitch-slapping. The LP anarchist wing (from which VP candidate Spike Cohen came, although he’s “evolved”) is the worst.
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Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:39 am
So a boogaloo teenager from Illinois, gets a bottle of water from Kenosha police, thanked for being there (even though he is illegally open carrying,
Shoots dead two protesters, and the police let him leave without detaining him.


And you wonder why there is violence.
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