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Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:45 am
by 93henfan
89Hen wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:43 am
∞∞∞ wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:38 am
Bout sums it up for me:
FYP
:lol: yup

That's some fine liberal echo-chamber propaganda there.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:45 am
by CitadelGrad
Ibanez wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:28 am
CitadelGrad wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:18 am


So, Eisenhower was advancing a conspiracy theory when he talked about the military/industrial complex? Now you can throw the intelligence community, DOJ, State Department, and FBI into the mix.
The military-industrial complex is our military as well as the industries involved in the production of war materials. e.g Defense Contractors. Ike warned of their growing power and influence over policy and our economy. That wasn't a conspiracy theory, it was a warning (which we should've heeded).

Are you equating the MIC with a conspiracy theory of a shadow government that runs America?
That's pretty much the definition of Deep State.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:49 am
by BDKJMU
SeattleGriz wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:20 am
93henfan wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:10 am


I've seen the unedited video. He was chased, physically threatened, and he defended himself. He will be exonerated. I hope he makes millions on a book deal and the speaking circuits after he is set free. He deserves it, just like the kid in DC whose life CNN tried to ruin with slickly edited video as well. I'm sure he's enjoying his undisclosed millions in settlement money.
There apparently were two incidents in case we aren't talking the same. This is my understanding of what happened.

The first happened at a car dealership where someone either fired at him or in the air. In his defense he shot a different guy lunging at him. This was the guy shot in the head, who died.

It is then that he was chased down the street and attacked by the guy with the gun (shot in the arm) and by another guy who hit him with a skateboard on the back of the head before that guy was shot in the chest and killed.

While I'm not sure it was in his best interests to "carry", I can see self defense in all of this.
That was the the white guy, hot head, who kept saying n*gger this and that to the guys with the MSRs. Was in the tweet video that SD posted right before the 1st shooting tweet video.

Also saw an interview from the reporter, who interviewed the shooter before the incidents, an was an up close witness to the 1st shooting, and even worked on the 1st guy shot. 7:20 mark-10:20 mark, who would certainly be called as a witness. He indicates self defense in the 1st shooting.

And being chased by multiple people, and being clocked on the head with a skateboard= self defense in the 2nd shooting. He may get some lesser charges on illegally possessing an AR, but he's not going to get convicted of any murder charges..

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:01 am
by kalm
93henfan wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:22 am
kalm wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:20 am


Of course. But when the first happens...fuck it, let’s make it worse I guess.
I think their intent was to protect innocent people and property. Unfortunately, the mob threatened a life and the threateners were tango-downed.
The road to hell.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:02 am
by Ibanez
GannonFan wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:25 am
UNI88 wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:19 am


Look on a map. The kid probably could have walked from his house to Wisconsin and almost certainly had a shorter drive to downtown Kenosha than any caravans of protesters coming from Milwaukee. I agree that it would be better to keep it local and not wanting outside agitators but that should apply to the protesters/rioters/looters as well.
Truth be told, I hadn't even looked at a map of Kenosha to see exactly where it was - for some reason I assumed it was north of Milwaukee. Agreed, this kid is probably almost a local even though he lived in Illinois. Would be interesting if he worked in Kenosha.
Yeah. 20 miles away. I'm about 19 mi from Charlotte and will tell people that's where I live. It's easier than having to explain where Fort Mill is.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:03 am
by Ibanez
CitadelGrad wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:45 am
Ibanez wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:28 am


The military-industrial complex is our military as well as the industries involved in the production of war materials. e.g Defense Contractors. Ike warned of their growing power and influence over policy and our economy. That wasn't a conspiracy theory, it was a warning (which we should've heeded).

Are you equating the MIC with a conspiracy theory of a shadow government that runs America?
That's pretty much the definition of Deep State.
You keep ignoring the other part - shadow government. SAIC, Lockheed, NG, Raytheon aren't operating in the darkness. The Deep State is something that isn't out in the open. The MIC is.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:05 am
by kalm
UNI88 wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:27 am
kalm wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:21 am


Rioters looters, yes. Protestors...different story.
Sure if you can differentiate between them before they park their cars and start marching down the street. If you can't, it's probably better to keep out all outsiders who do not have a legitimate reason to be within the Kenosha city limits. If governors and mayors can require that people wear masks why can't they put a moratorium on outsiders "visiting" a jurisdiction?
Kind of dovetails with what I’m saying. Tough to differentiate between well intentioned and level headed property protectors
and agitators with a superhero complex or underlying racism fetish.

I have no problem with a mayor or governor locking it down to outsiders.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:06 am
by Ibanez
93henfan wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:45 am
89Hen wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:43 am

FYP
:lol: yup

That's some fine liberal echo-chamber propaganda there.
That's some Daily Beast-esque propaganda there.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:10 am
by BDKJMU
93henfan wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:32 am
SeattleGriz wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:20 am


There apparently were two incidents in case we aren't talking the same. This is my understanding of what happened.

The first happened at a car dealership where someone either fired at him or in the air. In his defense he shot a different guy lunging at him. This was the guy shot in the head, who died.

It is then that he was chased down the street and attacked by the guy with the gun (shot in the arm) and by another guy who hit him with a skateboard on the back of the head before that guy was shot in the chest and killed.

While I'm not sure it was in his best interests to "carry", I can see self defense in all of this.
I see about ten or twenty reasonable doubts.

Should be a nice future for the poor kid.
Yep.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:47 pm
by Skjellyfetti
da fuq?



have too many children with different women? life imprisonment. :suspicious:

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:54 pm
by ∞∞∞
Looks like a deep fake IMO.

edit: Nope, apparently it's real. Sadly can't say I'm surprised...sounds about right for the state of law enforcement today.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:15 pm
by BDKJMU
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:47 pm
da fuq?



have too many children with different women? life imprisonment. :suspicious:
Not just different women, but 10 other women..big difference..And notice the edit at the 11 second mark, so whatever else he was saying in regards to those who should be warehoused, someone cleverly edited it out..Even given that, doesn't sound like he said anything wrong to me..

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:52 pm
by Skjellyfetti
BDKJMU wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:15 pm
Not just different women, but 10 other women..big difference.
Can you break that down for me? What am I missing?

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:13 pm
by catbooster
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:52 pm
BDKJMU wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:15 pm
Not just different women, but 10 other women..big difference.
Can you break that down for me? What am I missing?
Let's see - Trump's had 3 wives? So I'd say 3 different women is ok, up to 5 should be a misdemeanor with a fine, then some jail time, but over 7 would be off to the warehouses. That's probably about right. :coffee:

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:34 pm
by CitadelGrad
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:47 pm
da fuq?



have too many children with different women? life imprisonment. :suspicious:
I agree. That is too harsh. Forced sterilization seems to be a more appropriate alternative; otherwise, half the fuckin' NBA would be locked up for life.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:57 pm
by dbackjon
Ivytalk wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:48 am
Baldy wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:46 am

It's really no different than when you see Donks blasting DeSantis, Abbott and Kemp when the virus spikes in their respective states, but blast Trump when the virus spikes in New York, New Jersey, Michigan and California.
Well, personal responsibility never has been a Donk character trait.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The GOP have cornered the market on not taking responsibility. Of course the Libertarians wrote the book on "don't blame me, I don't vote for either as they cast their futile protest vote with the typical delusional air of superiority

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:00 pm
by SeattleGriz
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:52 pm
BDKJMU wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:15 pm
Not just different women, but 10 other women..big difference.
Can you break that down for me? What am I missing?
You're missing that children from homes without a father statistically don't do well in life.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:27 pm
by Skjellyfetti
dbackjon wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:57 pm
Of course the Libertarians wrote the book on "don't blame me, I don't vote for either as they cast their futile protest vote with the typical delusional air of superiority
And, I guarantee that more than 50% of "Libertarians" voted for Trump in 2016.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:30 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:27 pm
dbackjon wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:57 pm
Of course the Libertarians wrote the book on "don't blame me, I don't vote for either as they cast their futile protest vote with the typical delusional air of superiority
And, I guarantee that more than 50% of "Libertarians" voted for Trump in 2016.
Not this one. :coffee:

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:32 pm
by Skjellyfetti
But, you will in 2020?

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:37 pm
by AZGrizFan
∞∞∞ wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:38 am
Bout sums it up: https://www.theroot.com/media-and-law-e ... 1844867688
Why else would anyone—especially law enforcement or any media outlet—go out of their way to humanize and low-key throw on a cape for a 17-year-old white guy charged with first-degree murder in connection with two homicides?
Why? How about because the entire BLM movement, the NBA, NFL and MLB have all thrown capes on and canonized half a dozen career criminals who were shot by police officers after committing a crime, resisting arrest and going after weapons. And rioters have burned down half of urban America in response to the “injustice”.

you’d think those fellas were fucking choir boys, not criminals with rap sheets as long as your arm.

Oh, and there’s no MSM outlet who’s “humanizing” this kid.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:37 pm
by Ivytalk
dbackjon wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:57 pm
Ivytalk wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:48 am


Well, personal responsibility never has been a Donk character trait.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The GOP have cornered the market on not taking responsibility. Of course the Libertarians wrote the book on "don't blame me, I don't vote for either as they cast their futile protest vote with the typical delusional air of superiority
Triggered! :lol: Midol Man no likey!

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, “Democrats are a modest party...with much to be modest about.”

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:38 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:32 pm
But, you will in 2020?
Possibly. :coffee:

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:38 pm
by Ivytalk
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:27 pm
dbackjon wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:57 pm
Of course the Libertarians wrote the book on "don't blame me, I don't vote for either as they cast their futile protest vote with the typical delusional air of superiority
And, I guarantee that more than 50% of "Libertarians" voted for Trump in 2016.
You’re talking out of your ass, analprobe. As usual.

Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:21 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:38 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:32 pm
But, you will in 2020?
Possibly. :coffee:
Wow. We found an undecided voter. So rare.

Spoiler: show
He's voting for Trump.