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This is from 2018 but good:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... qeq5XR45Mo

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Science has shown that the conservative brain has an exaggerated fear response when faced with stimuli that may be perceived as threatening.
These brain responses are automatic and not influenced by logic or reason. As long as Trump continues to portray Muslims and Hispanic immigrants as imminent threats, many conservative brains will involuntarily light up like light bulbs being controlled by a switch.
By constantly emphasizing existential threat, Trump may be creating a psychological condition that makes the brain respond positively rather than negatively to bigoted statements and divisive rhetoric.
Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.
These Trump supporters are experiencing relative deprivation, and are common among the swing states like Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. This kind of deprivation is specifically referred to as “relative,” as opposed to “absolute,” because the feeling is often based on a skewed perception of what one is entitled to.
It would be grossly unfair and inaccurate to say that every one of Trump’s supporters have prejudice against ethnic and religious minorities, but it would be equally inaccurate to say that few do.
While the conspiracy theory crowd — who predominantly support Donald Trump and crackpot allies like Alex Jones and the shadowy QAnon — may appear to just be an odd quirk of modern society, some of them may suffer from psychological illnesses that involve paranoia and delusions, such as schizophrenia, or are at least vulnerable to them, like those with schizotypy personalities...

Donald Trump and media allies target these people directly. All one has to do is visit alt-right websites and discussion boards to see the evidence for such manipulation.
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Hillary Clinton Supporters – 6 Psychological Reasons Why
1) Compartmentalization/Denial (i.e., Vote party and compartmentalize her actions thus denial of the entire Hillary. As such, embrace only and see only what one wants and yearns to see which is seeing portions of Hillary. e.g., Ignore actions such as pay to play).

2) Separation of Self (i.e., The perceived belief that Hillary’s corrupt actions won’t affect one’s own self and one’s family personally. Wanting the other items one believes Hillary represents, with blinders on, seeing those items only).

3) Rationalization (i.e., The belief that all politicians lie and therefore her lies are ok. The rationalization that since she wasn’t convicted for her proven wrongs, then her actions are not so bad).

4) Externalization (i.e., a. Blame others for observable problems, e.g., right wing conspiracy, and/or b. Re-direct the problem focus onto a different topic within the opposing candidate; Trump).

5) Stability vs Visionary (i.e., A perception of safety and security by keeping the familiar for it feels stable vs fear of the unknown. Thus not allowing one’s self to consider the unfamiliar as an option. The imagination/vision for what can be is experienced as fearful for the alternative possible reality to what is familiar is deemed unstable when unfamiliar).

6) Rose Colored Glasses (i.e., The memory of whom one remembers believing Hillary to have been along with what one thought she represented, and as such holding onto this rosy visual, rather than seeing her through the lens of whom she has become).
https://www.drkarenruskin.com/hillary-c ... asons-why/
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Winterborn wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:22 pm :coffee:
Hillary Clinton Supporters – 6 Psychological Reasons Why
1) Compartmentalization/Denial (i.e., Vote party and compartmentalize her actions thus denial of the entire Hillary. As such, embrace only and see only what one wants and yearns to see which is seeing portions of Hillary. e.g., Ignore actions such as pay to play).

2) Separation of Self (i.e., The perceived belief that Hillary’s corrupt actions won’t affect one’s own self and one’s family personally. Wanting the other items one believes Hillary represents, with blinders on, seeing those items only).

3) Rationalization (i.e., The belief that all politicians lie and therefore her lies are ok. The rationalization that since she wasn’t convicted for her proven wrongs, then her actions are not so bad).

4) Externalization (i.e., a. Blame others for observable problems, e.g., right wing conspiracy, and/or b. Re-direct the problem focus onto a different topic within the opposing candidate; Trump).

5) Stability vs Visionary (i.e., A perception of safety and security by keeping the familiar for it feels stable vs fear of the unknown. Thus not allowing one’s self to consider the unfamiliar as an option. The imagination/vision for what can be is experienced as fearful for the alternative possible reality to what is familiar is deemed unstable when unfamiliar).

6) Rose Colored Glasses (i.e., The memory of whom one remembers believing Hillary to have been along with what one thought she represented, and as such holding onto this rosy visual, rather than seeing her through the lens of whom she has become).
https://www.drkarenruskin.com/hillary-c ... asons-why/
That's nice but I'll take Psychology Today over Dr. Karen's page. Also, if the guy at Psychology Today IS a political hack, he did a much better job of disguising it than Dr. Karen did.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:55 pm
That's nice but I'll take Psychology Today over Dr. Karen's page. Also, if the guy at Psychology Today IS a political hack, he did a much better job of disguising it than Dr. Karen did.
So it is okay to be a political hack if it is disguised well?
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Winterborn wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:22 pm :coffee:
Hillary Clinton Supporters – 6 Psychological Reasons Why
1) Compartmentalization/Denial (i.e., Vote party and compartmentalize her actions thus denial of the entire Hillary. As such, embrace only and see only what one wants and yearns to see which is seeing portions of Hillary. e.g., Ignore actions such as pay to play).

2) Separation of Self (i.e., The perceived belief that Hillary’s corrupt actions won’t affect one’s own self and one’s family personally. Wanting the other items one believes Hillary represents, with blinders on, seeing those items only).

3) Rationalization (i.e., The belief that all politicians lie and therefore her lies are ok. The rationalization that since she wasn’t convicted for her proven wrongs, then her actions are not so bad).

4) Externalization (i.e., a. Blame others for observable problems, e.g., right wing conspiracy, and/or b. Re-direct the problem focus onto a different topic within the opposing candidate; Trump).

5) Stability vs Visionary (i.e., A perception of safety and security by keeping the familiar for it feels stable vs fear of the unknown. Thus not allowing one’s self to consider the unfamiliar as an option. The imagination/vision for what can be is experienced as fearful for the alternative possible reality to what is familiar is deemed unstable when unfamiliar).

6) Rose Colored Glasses (i.e., The memory of whom one remembers believing Hillary to have been along with what one thought she represented, and as such holding onto this rosy visual, rather than seeing her through the lens of whom she has become).
https://www.drkarenruskin.com/hillary-c ... asons-why/
It might just be me, but this reads the same whether I keep Hillary in all of the references or switch them all to Trump.
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catbooster wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:24 pm
It might just be me, but this reads the same whether I keep Hillary in all of the references or switch them all to Trump.
Yeah, it's amazing how bad those two candidates were and the wackiness of the people who supported them.
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catbooster wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:24 pm
It might just be me, but this reads the same whether I keep Hillary in all of the references or switch them all to Trump.
That was the point. :thumb:

Everything the PhD said in the original article can be equally applied to both supporters. The article I linked was more of a jab at JSO's "research" then the facts presented.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:34 pm
catbooster wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:24 pm
It might just be me, but this reads the same whether I keep Hillary in all of the references or switch them all to Trump.
Yeah, it's amazing how bad those two candidates were and the wackiness of the people who supported them.
:nod:

People will go to great lengths to prop up their particular belief system. Both sides use so called "experts" that are nothing more than paid consultants to boost the particular message being presented.

And some experts will also write papers or other articles in hopes of padding ones curriculum vitae in order to get picked up by a particular side. I have had experience with that a bit in my job.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:59 pm
Science has shown that the conservative brain has an exaggerated fear response when faced with stimuli that may be perceived as threatening.
Oh, really?

"Trump will start a nuclear war or make himself president for life."
"Amy Coney Barrett will lead to theocracy or a ban on birth control."
"Climate change will cause human extinction."
"Nuclear power is really dangerous because of Fukushiima and Chernobyl." (in spite of the fact it's responsible for fewer deaths per power generated than any other source)
"Police are dangerous killers and you should be more afraid of them than violent criminals."
"America is a rape culture with rapists lurking behind every bush."

Sorry, but it's bullshit that fear-based demagoguery only exists on one side. And everything coming out of psychology should be taken skeptically because of it's documented problems with replication and political bias.
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Winterborn wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:04 pm
JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:55 pm

That's nice but I'll take Psychology Today over Dr. Karen's page. Also, if the guy at Psychology Today IS a political hack, he did a much better job of disguising it than Dr. Karen did.
So it is okay to be a political hack if it is disguised well?
The woman began her piece with a bunch of unsubstantiated allegations. She came off like she was a flipping Republican on the Benghazi Committee.
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Pwns wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:42 pm
JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:59 pm


Oh, really?

"Trump will start a nuclear war or make himself president for life."
"Amy Coney Barrett will lead to theocracy or a ban on birth control."
"Climate change will cause human extinction."
"Nuclear power is really dangerous because of Fukushiima and Chernobyl." (in spite of the fact it's responsible for fewer deaths per power generated than any other source)
"Police are dangerous killers and you should be more afraid of them than violent criminals."
"America is a rape culture with rapists lurking behind every bush."

Sorry, but it's bullshit that fear-based demagoguery only exists on one side. And everything coming out of psychology should be taken skeptically because of it's documented problems with replication and political bias.
Remember I am indeed a conservative. But I still love this from 2011:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... tudy-finds
Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals.

The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.
In other words:

Conservative = fear driven
Liberal = able to cope with complexity

:lol:
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Anyone want to take the over/under on how long Trump continues to live rent free in JSO's head?
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catbooster wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:24 pm
It might just be me, but this reads the same whether I keep Hillary in all of the references or switch them all to Trump.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That was my take as well!!!
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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:53 pm
Pwns wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:42 pm

Oh, really?

"Trump will start a nuclear war or make himself president for life."
"Amy Coney Barrett will lead to theocracy or a ban on birth control."
"Climate change will cause human extinction."
"Nuclear power is really dangerous because of Fukushiima and Chernobyl." (in spite of the fact it's responsible for fewer deaths per power generated than any other source)
"Police are dangerous killers and you should be more afraid of them than violent criminals."
"America is a rape culture with rapists lurking behind every bush."

Sorry, but it's bullshit that fear-based demagoguery only exists on one side. And everything coming out of psychology should be taken skeptically because of it's documented problems with replication and political bias.
Remember I am indeed a conservative. But I still love this from 2011:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... tudy-finds
Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals.

The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.
In other words:

Conservative = fear driven
Liberal = able to cope with complexity

:lol:
Yes, that’s why the left has literally been apoplectic for four solid years, literally unable to compose a coherent thought, and the vast majority of Trump supporters got up on Wednesday and went to work.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:50 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:04 pm

So it is okay to be a political hack if it is disguised well?
The woman began her piece with a bunch of unsubstantiated allegations. She came off like she was a flipping Republican on the Benghazi Committee.
You didn't answer my question. :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:32 pm

Yes, that’s why the left has literally been apoplectic for four solid years, literally unable to compose a coherent thought, and the vast majority of Trump supporters got up on Wednesday and went to work.
Actions speak louder than words. Apparently the boarded up stores weren't there in case Trump lost.
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In fairness, the Republican "fear center" would explain why you see conservatives yelling at liberals for not wearing masks all the time. And why GOP governors are more adamant about lockdowns.
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Pwns wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:00 pm In fairness, the Republican "fear center" would explain why you see conservatives yelling at liberals for not wearing masks all the time. And why GOP governors are more adamant about lockdowns.
Two more excellent examples. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:53 pm
Pwns wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:42 pm

Oh, really?

"Trump will start a nuclear war or make himself president for life."
"Amy Coney Barrett will lead to theocracy or a ban on birth control."
"Climate change will cause human extinction."
"Nuclear power is really dangerous because of Fukushiima and Chernobyl." (in spite of the fact it's responsible for fewer deaths per power generated than any other source)
"Police are dangerous killers and you should be more afraid of them than violent criminals."
"America is a rape culture with rapists lurking behind every bush."

Sorry, but it's bullshit that fear-based demagoguery only exists on one side. And everything coming out of psychology should be taken skeptically because of it's documented problems with replication and political bias.
Remember I am indeed a conservative. But I still love this from 2011:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... tudy-finds
Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals.

The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.
In other words:

Conservative = fear driven
Liberal = able to cope with complexity

:lol:
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:53 pm Anyone want to take the over/under on how long Trump continues to live rent free in JSO's head?
There seems to be plenty of room there...probably for a long while.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:53 pm
Pwns wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:42 pm

Oh, really?

"Trump will start a nuclear war or make himself president for life."
"Amy Coney Barrett will lead to theocracy or a ban on birth control."
"Climate change will cause human extinction."
"Nuclear power is really dangerous because of Fukushiima and Chernobyl." (in spite of the fact it's responsible for fewer deaths per power generated than any other source)
"Police are dangerous killers and you should be more afraid of them than violent criminals."
"America is a rape culture with rapists lurking behind every bush."

Sorry, but it's bullshit that fear-based demagoguery only exists on one side. And everything coming out of psychology should be taken skeptically because of it's documented problems with replication and political bias.
Remember I am indeed a conservative. But I still love this from 2011:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... tudy-finds
Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals.

The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.
In other words:

Conservative = fear driven
Liberal = able to cope with complexity

:lol:
Quoting psychology work. :ohno:
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:52 pm
JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:53 pm

Remember I am indeed a conservative. But I still love this from 2011:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... tudy-finds



In other words:

Conservative = fear driven
Liberal = able to cope with complexity

:lol:
This might be correct for true liberals but the ctrl-left is illiberal. Liberals by definition are 1. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas. and/or 2. relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise. Today's pseudo-progressives do not accept behavior or opinions different from their own and they do not promote individual rights, civil liberties or free enterprise.
I tend to agree UNI88, JSO is comparing the Alt-right to the normal liberal and not the normal conservative to the normal liberal. Just look at all the normal liberals that attempted to protest this last year, that were marred by riots from the ctrl-left.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:31 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:52 pm

This might be correct for true liberals but the ctrl-left is illiberal. Liberals by definition are 1. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas. and/or 2. relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise. Today's pseudo-progressives do not accept behavior or opinions different from their own and they do not promote individual rights, civil liberties or free enterprise.
I tend to agree UNI88, JSO is comparing the Alt-right to the normal liberal and not the normal conservative to the normal liberal. Just look at all the normal liberals that attempted to protest this last year, that were marred by riots from the ctrl-left.
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Reasonable conservatives will at least admit Trump is a buffoon.

But the lizard brain tendencies of the conservative mind ain’t exactly a stretch.

I love debating politics but there were a few normally reserved friends who I literally had to shut down conversations with after the yelling started. :lol:

And the meme/social media fear projection and gullibility coming through messages and conversations was astounding.
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Re: Psychology of Trump Supporters

Post by kalm »

Pwns wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:00 pm In fairness, the Republican "fear center" would explain why you see conservatives yelling at liberals for not wearing masks all the time. And why GOP governors are more adamant about lockdowns.
There were many Karen’s on the conservative side of both of these.
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