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Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:05 am
by kalm
The potential abuses are rather obvious. Who will be the star of pardon’s?
Does Trump have the stones to resign in order for Pence to preemptively pardon his crimes?
It would almost be surprising if he doesn’t.
Obviously, Mason never met Trump. But clearly he had someone like Trump in mind. Trump’s pardon of Manafort and Stone, especially when added to his pardons of Michael Flynn, is of exactly the sort Mason feared—in which an apparent connection exists between the president’s personal acts and those of the people whose crimes he has excused. Manafort, Stone, and Flynn, in different ways, were connected to Trump and allegations of criminality. Their pardons may, in part, be rewards for their refusal to help in holding Trump to account—at least that is how it appears to many observers.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... rt/617397/
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:29 am
by AZGrizFan
REALLY would like to see Snowden and Assange get pardoned before he leaves office.
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:35 am
by kalm
AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:29 am
REALLY would like to see Snowden and Assange get pardoned before he leaves office.
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:05 pm
by SeattleGriz
He should pardon Obama.
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:31 pm
by BDKJMU
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:05 am
The potential abuses are rather obvious. Who will be the star of pardon’s?
Does Trump have the stones to resign in order for Pence to preemptively pardon his crimes?
It would almost be surprising if he doesn’t.
What crimes?
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:36 pm
by Ibanez
BDKJMU wrote:kalm wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:05 am
The potential abuses are rather obvious. Who will be the star of pardon’s?
Does Trump have the stones to resign in order for Pence to preemptively pardon his crimes?
It would almost be surprising if he doesn’t.
What crimes?
I don’t know. But most experts on CNN and Fox say that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Otherwise - there’s nothing to pardon.
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Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:43 pm
by BDKJMU
Ibanez wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:36 pm
BDKJMU wrote:
What crimes?
I don’t know.
Exactly. Just like Russian colusion delusion, there’s nothing there.
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:37 pm
by UNI88
BDKJMU wrote:Ibanez wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:36 pm
I don’t know.
Exactly. Just like the allegations of wide spread election fraud in 2020, there’s nothing there.
Yep.
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Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:00 pm
by AZGrizFan
Ibanez wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:36 pm
BDKJMU wrote:
What crimes?
I don’t know. But most experts on CNN and Fox say that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Otherwise - there’s nothing to pardon.
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Or it’s the only way to get your life back after being wrongly convicted/targeted/entrapped.
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:45 pm
by Col Hogan
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:43 pm
Ibanez wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:36 pm
I don’t know.
Exactly. Just like Russian colusion delusion, there’s nothing there.
I’m not a lawyer and I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but I believe a President pardon is only for federal changes...
I think people like the NYS Attorney General are going to be a bigger problem for Trump...
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:21 pm
by Ibanez
BDKJMU wrote:Ibanez wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:36 pm
I don’t know.
Exactly. Just like Russian colusion delusion, there’s nothing there.
You ignored the rest of my post. Interesting.
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Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:22 pm
by Ibanez
Col Hogan wrote:BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:43 pm
Exactly. Just like Russian colusion delusion, there’s nothing there.
I’m not a lawyer and I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but I believe a President pardon is only for federal changes...
I think people like the NYS Attorney General are going to be a bigger problem for Trump...
Yes. And you pardon people for crimes ergo if Trump pardons himself it means he’s guilty of a crime.
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Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:38 pm
by AZGrizFan
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:35 am
AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:29 am
REALLY would like to see Snowden and Assange get pardoned before he leaves office.
This surprises you, why?
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:13 am
by SuperHornet
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:05 pm
He should pardon Obama.
For what?
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:15 am
by SuperHornet
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:05 am
The potential abuses are rather obvious.
And why is this an issue with Trump? EVERY President to my knowledge has done this at the end of their term, and even throughout. Open to abuse? Sure. But why the freakout about Trump when EVERY President engages in it?
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:18 am
by kalm
SuperHornet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:15 am
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:05 am
The potential abuses are rather obvious.
And why is this an issue with Trump? EVERY President to my knowledge has done this at the end of their term, and even throughout. Open to abuse? Sure. But why the freakout about Trump when EVERY President engages in it?
He seems to have taken it more biggly.
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:25 am
by SuperHornet
kalm wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:18 am
SuperHornet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:15 am
And why is this an issue with Trump? EVERY President to my knowledge has done this at the end of their term, and even throughout. Open to abuse? Sure. But why the freakout about Trump when EVERY President engages in it?
He seems to have taken it more biggly.
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:12 am
by UNI88
SuperHornet wrote:kalm wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:18 am
He seems to have taken it more biggly.
I agree with Kalmy. Slick Willy and Marc Rich are probably the closest comparison.
Everything Lil' Donnie does he has to do yugely. I think he might be compensating.
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Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:07 pm
by SeattleGriz
SuperHornet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:13 am
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:05 pm
He should pardon Obama.
For what?
For what!? Obama's guilty as hell of many crimes, but we all know he's not going to be prosecuted for any of that, so Trump can just make it official. Pardon him of his crimes now.
While he's at it, pardon Hillary as well.
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:35 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Ibanez wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:36 pm
I don’t know. But most experts on CNN and Fox say that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Otherwise - there’s nothing to pardon.
And also the Supreme Court.
This brings us to the differences between legislative immunity and a pardon. They are substantial. The latter carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it. The former has no such imputation or confession.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/236/79
Also, since they can't self incriminate themselves for charges they have accepted a pardon for, they also can't invoke the 5th amendment to testify about those crimes...
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:07 am
by houndawg
UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:37 pm
BDKJMU wrote:
Exactly. Just like the allegations of wide spread election fraud in 2020, there’s nothing there.
Yep.
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Obstruction of Justice, if he weren't in office.
The elephant in the room of course is Mr. Wesselberg, from whom we haven't heard a peep since Manafort, Cohen, Stone, Flynn, et al, went down. I think he's the one guy that can get immunity.
best of all is that as we speak Trump's taxes are being gone through by ........... Maxine Waters.
Re: Who Else Does Trump Pardon?
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:09 am
by houndawg
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:07 pm
For what!? Obama's guilty as hell of many crimes, but we all know he's not going to be prosecuted for any of that, so Trump can just make it official. Pardon him of his crimes now.
While he's at it, pardon Hillary as well.
You're like the Japanese soldiers that were popping up on Pacific islands 40 years after WW2.
BANZAI!