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He says he's switching to the GOP because he just can't identify with the "elitist" and "socialist" views of the modern Democratic Party. He's right....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nevada ... QWdzzo-YNw
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He’s right....of the current dem Party.

Many others are getting disillusioned as well...he won’t be the last.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:16 pm He’s right....of the current dem Party.

Many others are getting disillusioned as well...he won’t be the last.
The trends say the Country is going to become more Democratic. We'll see what happens.

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SuperHornet wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:44 am He says he's switching to the GOP because he just can't identify with the "elitist" and "socialist" views of the modern Democratic Party. He's right....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nevada ... QWdzzo-YNw
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:16 pm He’s right....of the current dem Party.

Many others are getting disillusioned as well...he won’t be the last.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.


People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.

Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
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dbackjon wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:16 pm He’s right....of the current dem Party.

Many others are getting disillusioned as well...he won’t be the last.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.


People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.

Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:41 pm
dbackjon wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.

People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.

Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
what color is the sky in your world?
Could he be right about people leaving the Republican party in droves? Some extreme MAGAts dissatisfied because they feel the party didn't do enough to stand up for Trump and some rational people not happy that the MAGAts seem to be taking over?

If true, I'm not sure where the rational people are going to find a home. It's certainly not the Democratic party.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:55 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:41 pm
what color is the sky in your world?
Could he be right about people leaving the Republican party in droves? Some extreme MAGAts dissatisfied because they feel the party didn't do enough to stand up for Trump and some rational people not happy that the MAGAts seem to be taking over?

If true, I'm not sure where the rational people are going to find a home. It's certainly not the Democratic party.
It’s almost like we need more than two choices or something...
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kalm wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:53 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:55 pm

Could he be right about people leaving the Republican party in droves? Some extreme MAGAts dissatisfied because they feel the party didn't do enough to stand up for Trump and some rational people not happy that the MAGAts seem to be taking over?

If true, I'm not sure where the rational people are going to find a home. It's certainly not the Democratic party.
It’s almost like we need more than two choices or something...
We have more choices, but no one likes to be on the losing side (as a third party would almost always be) so game theory and human nature, as well as 200+ years of American history, point to us always having two major parties and only two major parties. Darn science. :rofl:
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dbackjon wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:16 pm He’s right....of the current dem Party.

Many others are getting disillusioned as well...he won’t be the last.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.


People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.

Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
I'm sure you have sources and all, but where do you get the news that "tens of thousands" of GOP voters in Pennsylvania are leaving that party registration since January 6th? Seems kinda made up. :coffee:
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:28 am
kalm wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:53 am

It’s almost like we need more than two choices or something...
We have more choices, but no one likes to be on the losing side (as a third party would almost always be) so game theory and human nature, as well as 200+ years of American history, point to us always having two major parties and only two major parties. Darn science. :rofl:
Yeah...and history is linear and permanence is permanent. :coffee:
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kalm wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:36 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:28 am

We have more choices, but no one likes to be on the losing side (as a third party would almost always be) so game theory and human nature, as well as 200+ years of American history, point to us always having two major parties and only two major parties. Darn science. :rofl:
Yeah...and history is linear and permanence is permanent. :coffee:
Then you tell me how it's going to be different this time other than wishful thinking? :coffee:
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:46 am
kalm wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:36 am

Yeah...and history is linear and permanence is permanent. :coffee:
Then you tell me how it's going to be different this time other than wishful thinking? :coffee:
This time? :?

Are there previous versions of the United States I somehow missed?
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kalm wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:01 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:46 am

Then you tell me how it's going to be different this time other than wishful thinking? :coffee:
This time? :?

Are there previous versions of the United States I somehow missed?
Nice dodge. We've had 3rd parties in the US multiple times in the past 200+ years. It's my argument, which you can't seem to counter, that due to the setup of our government (namely the executive being separate from the legislature - if we had a prime minister setup I'd argue that 3rd parties would be less ephemeral) that we're never going to have the permanent presence of a 3rd party (let alone even more than that). The 3rd party always gets consolidated into one of the existing major parties, the "big tent" effect. I'd even go further, JSO likes to rail on that we're going to be a one party system pretty soon and then will be that way for decades to come (his position that the Democratic party is on the verge of decades-long one-party dominance). That same setup of the government, and our proven history, is that when we've had one party become dominate it almost immediately spawns a second party. I think that also goes to the contrarian nature of people in general - can't argue if there's not another side.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:16 am
kalm wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:01 am
This time? :?

Are there previous versions of the United States I somehow missed?
Nice dodge. We've had 3rd parties in the US multiple times in the past 200+ years. It's my argument, which you can't seem to counter, that due to the setup of our government (namely the executive being separate from the legislature - if we had a prime minister setup I'd argue that 3rd parties would be less ephemeral) that we're never going to have the permanent presence of a 3rd party (let alone even more than that). The 3rd party always gets consolidated into one of the existing major parties, the "big tent" effect. I'd even go further, JSO likes to rail on that we're going to be a one party system pretty soon and then will be that way for decades to come (his position that the Democratic party is on the verge of decades-long one-party dominance). That same setup of the government, and our proven history, is that when we've had one party become dominate it almost immediately spawns a second party. I think that also goes to the contrarian nature of people in general - can't argue if there's not another side.
Point Ganny!

I'm a proponent of a 3rd party and I can admit that his arguments are solid.

Our best chance to return to rationality in government might be open primaries where the top 2 vote getters face off in the general election. In heavily Conk and Donk districts, the alternative candidate is more likely to be a moderate who will get the votes of members of the opposing party and independents. It might help get some of the extremists who won't listen or compromise.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:16 am
kalm wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:01 am

This time? :?

Are there previous versions of the United States I somehow missed?
Nice dodge. We've had 3rd parties in the US multiple times in the past 200+ years. It's my argument, which you can't seem to counter, that due to the setup of our government (namely the executive being separate from the legislature - if we had a prime minister setup I'd argue that 3rd parties would be less ephemeral) that we're never going to have the permanent presence of a 3rd party (let alone even more than that). The 3rd party always gets consolidated into one of the existing major parties, the "big tent" effect. I'd even go further, JSO likes to rail on that we're going to be a one party system pretty soon and then will be that way for decades to come (his position that the Democratic party is on the verge of decades-long one-party dominance). That same setup of the government, and our proven history, is that when we've had one party become dominate it almost immediately spawns a second party. I think that also goes to the contrarian nature of people in general - can't argue if there's not another side.
Dodge? At least I got you to post a semi-non smarmy reply. :thumb:

In fact, very little of what you said disagrees with what I posted.
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kalm wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:22 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:16 am

Nice dodge. We've had 3rd parties in the US multiple times in the past 200+ years. It's my argument, which you can't seem to counter, that due to the setup of our government (namely the executive being separate from the legislature - if we had a prime minister setup I'd argue that 3rd parties would be less ephemeral) that we're never going to have the permanent presence of a 3rd party (let alone even more than that). The 3rd party always gets consolidated into one of the existing major parties, the "big tent" effect. I'd even go further, JSO likes to rail on that we're going to be a one party system pretty soon and then will be that way for decades to come (his position that the Democratic party is on the verge of decades-long one-party dominance). That same setup of the government, and our proven history, is that when we've had one party become dominate it almost immediately spawns a second party. I think that also goes to the contrarian nature of people in general - can't argue if there's not another side.
Dodge? At least I got you to post a semi-non smarmy reply. :thumb:

In fact, very little of what you said disagrees with what I posted.
Semi-non smarmy? I'm always full time, flat out smarmy. :thumb:

And of course what I wrote disagrees with your post, it's just easier saying it doesn't rather than waving a white handkerchief (note the smarmy Lin Manuel reference there too). :mrgreen:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:41 pm
dbackjon wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.


People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.

Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
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April 7, 2021 at 5:38 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 35 Comments

A new Gallup poll found that 49% of respondents consider themselves Democrats or leaning that way, while 40% consider themselves Republicans or lean that way — the largest gap in almost a decade.

Gallup said the jump comes mostly from Republicans leaving the party at the end of President Donald Trump’s tenure. Only 25% of U.S. adults firmly identify with the Republicans, down from 29% late last year.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:30 am
dbackjon wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.


People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.

Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
I'm sure you have sources and all, but where do you get the news that "tens of thousands" of GOP voters in Pennsylvania are leaving that party registration since January 6th? Seems kinda made up. :coffee:
This was in February - https://patch.com/pennsylvania/abington ... -pa-trends
Since the calendar turned to 2021, 10,452 Republican registrations have switched to Democrat in Pennsylvania, while just 4,942 have switched to Republican. Over 4,400, meanwhile, have moved from Democrat or Republican to another party.


Florida
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local ... ords-show/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ement-grip

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021 ... epublicans
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dbackjon wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:41 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:30 am

I'm sure you have sources and all, but where do you get the news that "tens of thousands" of GOP voters in Pennsylvania are leaving that party registration since January 6th? Seems kinda made up. :coffee:
This was in February - https://patch.com/pennsylvania/abington ... -pa-trends
Since the calendar turned to 2021, 10,452 Republican registrations have switched to Democrat in Pennsylvania, while just 4,942 have switched to Republican. Over 4,400, meanwhile, have moved from Democrat or Republican to another party.


Florida
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local ... ords-show/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ement-grip

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021 ... epublicans
So if I do the math right, in PA it was literally 0.6 "tens of thousands" of less GOP'ers? :rofl:

As for PA, voter registration matters little, folks like me flip all the time depending on what primary we want to vote in. I'm currently a Democrat, but will have to look at what races are coming up that year and I change according to which one I want to vote in. School board elections this cycle, and those folks tend to run simultaneously as both Democrat and Republican so it tends not to matter then in the primary.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:55 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:41 pm
what color is the sky in your world?
Could he be right about people leaving the Republican party in droves? Some extreme MAGAts dissatisfied because they feel the party didn't do enough to stand up for Trump and some rational people not happy that the MAGAts seem to be taking over?

If true, I'm not sure where the rational people are going to find a home. It's certainly not the Democratic party.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:41 am
dbackjon wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:41 am

This was in February - https://patch.com/pennsylvania/abington ... -pa-trends
Since the calendar turned to 2021, 10,452 Republican registrations have switched to Democrat in Pennsylvania, while just 4,942 have switched to Republican. Over 4,400, meanwhile, have moved from Democrat or Republican to another party.


Florida
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local ... ords-show/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ement-grip

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021 ... epublicans
So if I do the math right, in PA it was literally 0.6 "tens of thousands" of less GOP'ers? :rofl:

As for PA, voter registration matters little, folks like me flip all the time depending on what primary we want to vote in. I'm currently a Democrat, but will have to look at what races are coming up that year and I change according to which one I want to vote in. School board elections this cycle, and those folks tend to run simultaneously as both Democrat and Republican so it tends not to matter then in the primary.
I said tens of thousands in states like...I proved that tens of thousands have left the GOP.

When it is a single state, no biggie - but when the pattern is spread across the nation, it is telling. Especially given the tone of the original posts and the sheep that chimed in after...
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dbackjon wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:40 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:41 am

So if I do the math right, in PA it was literally 0.6 "tens of thousands" of less GOP'ers? :rofl:

As for PA, voter registration matters little, folks like me flip all the time depending on what primary we want to vote in. I'm currently a Democrat, but will have to look at what races are coming up that year and I change according to which one I want to vote in. School board elections this cycle, and those folks tend to run simultaneously as both Democrat and Republican so it tends not to matter then in the primary.
I said tens of thousands in states like...I proved that tens of thousands have left the GOP.

When it is a single state, no biggie - but when the pattern is spread across the nation, it is telling. Especially given the tone of the original posts and the sheep that chimed in after...
Well, the way you wrote it implied each state. Like you said, no biggie. And like I said, voter registration matters very little. These aren't partisans who blindly vote straight party no matter what. Most people vote cross ticket all the time. Heck, even this past election showed that - Biden won at the top but the GOP had a very good night down ticket. The GOP keeps getting less and less popular, yet still hold, and made gains, in most local races and state legislatures. For a party that is waning in power, they sure do have a lot of power. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:23 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:16 am

Nice dodge. We've had 3rd parties in the US multiple times in the past 200+ years. It's my argument, which you can't seem to counter, that due to the setup of our government (namely the executive being separate from the legislature - if we had a prime minister setup I'd argue that 3rd parties would be less ephemeral) that we're never going to have the permanent presence of a 3rd party (let alone even more than that). The 3rd party always gets consolidated into one of the existing major parties, the "big tent" effect. I'd even go further, JSO likes to rail on that we're going to be a one party system pretty soon and then will be that way for decades to come (his position that the Democratic party is on the verge of decades-long one-party dominance). That same setup of the government, and our proven history, is that when we've had one party become dominate it almost immediately spawns a second party. I think that also goes to the contrarian nature of people in general - can't argue if there's not another side.
Point Ganny!

I'm a proponent of a 3rd party and I can admit that his arguments are solid.

Our best chance to return to rationality in government might be open primaries where the top 2 vote getters face off in the general election. In heavily Conk and Donk districts, the alternative candidate is more likely to be a moderate who will get the votes of members of the opposing party and independents. It might help get some of the extremists who won't listen or compromise.
Ganny makes some very valid points and while I would like to see a third party, I can definitively see why it will not completely happen at a national level.

Have been doing some reading on ranked choice, along with some other voting methods and some have the potential to hopefully shake things around a bit. Will see how (or if) they are even implemented.
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