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The trends say the Country is going to become more Democratic. We'll see what happens.
SuperHornet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:44 am He says he's switching to the GOP because he just can't identify with the "elitist" and "socialist" views of the modern Democratic Party. He's right....
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nevada ... QWdzzo-YNw
what color is the sky in your world?dbackjon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm
Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.
People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.
Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
Could he be right about people leaving the Republican party in droves? Some extreme MAGAts dissatisfied because they feel the party didn't do enough to stand up for Trump and some rational people not happy that the MAGAts seem to be taking over?AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:41 pmwhat color is the sky in your world?dbackjon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm
Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.
People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.
Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
It’s almost like we need more than two choices or something...UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:55 pmCould he be right about people leaving the Republican party in droves? Some extreme MAGAts dissatisfied because they feel the party didn't do enough to stand up for Trump and some rational people not happy that the MAGAts seem to be taking over?
If true, I'm not sure where the rational people are going to find a home. It's certainly not the Democratic party.
We have more choices, but no one likes to be on the losing side (as a third party would almost always be) so game theory and human nature, as well as 200+ years of American history, point to us always having two major parties and only two major parties. Darn science.kalm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:53 amIt’s almost like we need more than two choices or something...UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:55 pm
Could he be right about people leaving the Republican party in droves? Some extreme MAGAts dissatisfied because they feel the party didn't do enough to stand up for Trump and some rational people not happy that the MAGAts seem to be taking over?
If true, I'm not sure where the rational people are going to find a home. It's certainly not the Democratic party.
I'm sure you have sources and all, but where do you get the news that "tens of thousands" of GOP voters in Pennsylvania are leaving that party registration since January 6th? Seems kinda made up.dbackjon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm
Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.
People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.
Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
Yeah...and history is linear and permanence is permanent.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:28 amWe have more choices, but no one likes to be on the losing side (as a third party would almost always be) so game theory and human nature, as well as 200+ years of American history, point to us always having two major parties and only two major parties. Darn science.
Then you tell me how it's going to be different this time other than wishful thinking?kalm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:36 amYeah...and history is linear and permanence is permanent.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:28 am
We have more choices, but no one likes to be on the losing side (as a third party would almost always be) so game theory and human nature, as well as 200+ years of American history, point to us always having two major parties and only two major parties. Darn science.
This time?
Nice dodge. We've had 3rd parties in the US multiple times in the past 200+ years. It's my argument, which you can't seem to counter, that due to the setup of our government (namely the executive being separate from the legislature - if we had a prime minister setup I'd argue that 3rd parties would be less ephemeral) that we're never going to have the permanent presence of a 3rd party (let alone even more than that). The 3rd party always gets consolidated into one of the existing major parties, the "big tent" effect. I'd even go further, JSO likes to rail on that we're going to be a one party system pretty soon and then will be that way for decades to come (his position that the Democratic party is on the verge of decades-long one-party dominance). That same setup of the government, and our proven history, is that when we've had one party become dominate it almost immediately spawns a second party. I think that also goes to the contrarian nature of people in general - can't argue if there's not another side.
Point Ganny!GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:16 amNice dodge. We've had 3rd parties in the US multiple times in the past 200+ years. It's my argument, which you can't seem to counter, that due to the setup of our government (namely the executive being separate from the legislature - if we had a prime minister setup I'd argue that 3rd parties would be less ephemeral) that we're never going to have the permanent presence of a 3rd party (let alone even more than that). The 3rd party always gets consolidated into one of the existing major parties, the "big tent" effect. I'd even go further, JSO likes to rail on that we're going to be a one party system pretty soon and then will be that way for decades to come (his position that the Democratic party is on the verge of decades-long one-party dominance). That same setup of the government, and our proven history, is that when we've had one party become dominate it almost immediately spawns a second party. I think that also goes to the contrarian nature of people in general - can't argue if there's not another side.
Dodge? At least I got you to post a semi-non smarmy reply.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:16 amNice dodge. We've had 3rd parties in the US multiple times in the past 200+ years. It's my argument, which you can't seem to counter, that due to the setup of our government (namely the executive being separate from the legislature - if we had a prime minister setup I'd argue that 3rd parties would be less ephemeral) that we're never going to have the permanent presence of a 3rd party (let alone even more than that). The 3rd party always gets consolidated into one of the existing major parties, the "big tent" effect. I'd even go further, JSO likes to rail on that we're going to be a one party system pretty soon and then will be that way for decades to come (his position that the Democratic party is on the verge of decades-long one-party dominance). That same setup of the government, and our proven history, is that when we've had one party become dominate it almost immediately spawns a second party. I think that also goes to the contrarian nature of people in general - can't argue if there's not another side.
Semi-non smarmy? I'm always full time, flat out smarmy.kalm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:22 amDodge? At least I got you to post a semi-non smarmy reply.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:16 am
Nice dodge. We've had 3rd parties in the US multiple times in the past 200+ years. It's my argument, which you can't seem to counter, that due to the setup of our government (namely the executive being separate from the legislature - if we had a prime minister setup I'd argue that 3rd parties would be less ephemeral) that we're never going to have the permanent presence of a 3rd party (let alone even more than that). The 3rd party always gets consolidated into one of the existing major parties, the "big tent" effect. I'd even go further, JSO likes to rail on that we're going to be a one party system pretty soon and then will be that way for decades to come (his position that the Democratic party is on the verge of decades-long one-party dominance). That same setup of the government, and our proven history, is that when we've had one party become dominate it almost immediately spawns a second party. I think that also goes to the contrarian nature of people in general - can't argue if there's not another side.
In fact, very little of what you said disagrees with what I posted.
Blue - as in realityAZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:41 pmwhat color is the sky in your world?dbackjon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm
Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.
People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.
Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
This was in February - https://patch.com/pennsylvania/abington ... -pa-trendsGannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:30 amI'm sure you have sources and all, but where do you get the news that "tens of thousands" of GOP voters in Pennsylvania are leaving that party registration since January 6th? Seems kinda made up.dbackjon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm
Anyone that thinks the Democratic Party is socialist is delusional.
People are leaving the Party of Insurrection in droves - sickened by what happened on January 6th, and the GOP embrace of it.
Tens of thousands in states like Colorado, Penn, Arizona dropping the QOP.
So if I do the math right, in PA it was literally 0.6 "tens of thousands" of less GOP'ers?dbackjon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:41 amThis was in February - https://patch.com/pennsylvania/abington ... -pa-trends
Since the calendar turned to 2021, 10,452 Republican registrations have switched to Democrat in Pennsylvania, while just 4,942 have switched to Republican. Over 4,400, meanwhile, have moved from Democrat or Republican to another party.
Florida
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local ... ords-show/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ement-grip
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021 ... epublicans
My statement was in reference to his first sentence.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:55 pmCould he be right about people leaving the Republican party in droves? Some extreme MAGAts dissatisfied because they feel the party didn't do enough to stand up for Trump and some rational people not happy that the MAGAts seem to be taking over?
If true, I'm not sure where the rational people are going to find a home. It's certainly not the Democratic party.
I said tens of thousands in states like...I proved that tens of thousands have left the GOP.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:41 amSo if I do the math right, in PA it was literally 0.6 "tens of thousands" of less GOP'ers?dbackjon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:41 am
This was in February - https://patch.com/pennsylvania/abington ... -pa-trends
Since the calendar turned to 2021, 10,452 Republican registrations have switched to Democrat in Pennsylvania, while just 4,942 have switched to Republican. Over 4,400, meanwhile, have moved from Democrat or Republican to another party.
Florida
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local ... ords-show/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ement-grip
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021 ... epublicans
As for PA, voter registration matters little, folks like me flip all the time depending on what primary we want to vote in. I'm currently a Democrat, but will have to look at what races are coming up that year and I change according to which one I want to vote in. School board elections this cycle, and those folks tend to run simultaneously as both Democrat and Republican so it tends not to matter then in the primary.
Well, the way you wrote it implied each state. Like you said, no biggie. And like I said, voter registration matters very little. These aren't partisans who blindly vote straight party no matter what. Most people vote cross ticket all the time. Heck, even this past election showed that - Biden won at the top but the GOP had a very good night down ticket. The GOP keeps getting less and less popular, yet still hold, and made gains, in most local races and state legislatures. For a party that is waning in power, they sure do have a lot of power.dbackjon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:40 pmI said tens of thousands in states like...I proved that tens of thousands have left the GOP.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:41 am
So if I do the math right, in PA it was literally 0.6 "tens of thousands" of less GOP'ers?
As for PA, voter registration matters little, folks like me flip all the time depending on what primary we want to vote in. I'm currently a Democrat, but will have to look at what races are coming up that year and I change according to which one I want to vote in. School board elections this cycle, and those folks tend to run simultaneously as both Democrat and Republican so it tends not to matter then in the primary.
When it is a single state, no biggie - but when the pattern is spread across the nation, it is telling. Especially given the tone of the original posts and the sheep that chimed in after...
Ganny makes some very valid points and while I would like to see a third party, I can definitively see why it will not completely happen at a national level.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:23 amPoint Ganny!GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:16 am
Nice dodge. We've had 3rd parties in the US multiple times in the past 200+ years. It's my argument, which you can't seem to counter, that due to the setup of our government (namely the executive being separate from the legislature - if we had a prime minister setup I'd argue that 3rd parties would be less ephemeral) that we're never going to have the permanent presence of a 3rd party (let alone even more than that). The 3rd party always gets consolidated into one of the existing major parties, the "big tent" effect. I'd even go further, JSO likes to rail on that we're going to be a one party system pretty soon and then will be that way for decades to come (his position that the Democratic party is on the verge of decades-long one-party dominance). That same setup of the government, and our proven history, is that when we've had one party become dominate it almost immediately spawns a second party. I think that also goes to the contrarian nature of people in general - can't argue if there's not another side.
I'm a proponent of a 3rd party and I can admit that his arguments are solid.
Our best chance to return to rationality in government might be open primaries where the top 2 vote getters face off in the general election. In heavily Conk and Donk districts, the alternative candidate is more likely to be a moderate who will get the votes of members of the opposing party and independents. It might help get some of the extremists who won't listen or compromise.