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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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bobbythekidd wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:48 pm
SDHornet wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:38 pm

Seems straight forward. Negotiations on a District by District would seem to benefit all involved.



On a somewhat related note:
Hey SD, It hasn't been said yet but quoting a "tweet" isn't a legitimate source and a laughable way to make a point. You do it like it's proof of something. If you want to make a point, use a legitimate source so we can check the validity of the information. Otherwise, it's just repeating what someone else said.
Or at least tweets that source their stats.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:53 pm
bobbythekidd wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:48 pm

Hey SD, It hasn't been said yet but quoting a "tweet" isn't a legitimate source and a laughable way to make a point. You do it like it's proof of something. If you want to make a point, use a legitimate source so we can check the validity of the information. Otherwise, it's just repeating what someone else said.
So, basically, just like the media. :lol: :lol:
Yes. Thank you AZ. It would be awesome if we made a rule that we demanded that anyone who posted on the political board, a fact, they also provided a reputable (to all) source of that info. Otherwise it would not be accepted and be labeled BS until it was proven.

This page has so much opinion that the ability to ague factual information is impossible. The only way to argue points of view is to establish the facts first then to argue the details.
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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:53 pm
bobbythekidd wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:48 pm

Hey SD, It hasn't been said yet but quoting a "tweet" isn't a legitimate source and a laughable way to make a point. You do it like it's proof of something. If you want to make a point, use a legitimate source so we can check the validity of the information. Otherwise, it's just repeating what someone else said.
So, basically, just like the media. :lol: :lol:
Maybe he should be called "bobbythebutthurt" instead. :lol:
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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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bobbythekidd wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:22 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:53 pm

So, basically, just like the media. :lol: :lol:
Yes. Thank you AZ. It would be awesome if we made a rule that we demanded that anyone who posted on the political board, a fact, they also provided a reputable (to all) source of that info. Otherwise it would not be accepted and be labeled BS until it was proven.

This page has so much opinion that the ability to ague factual information is impossible. The only way to argue points of view is to establish the facts first then to argue the details.
You missed the point. The part that's "just like the media" is the "repeating what someone said" without any actual facts to back it up. They then repeat it enough times and it becomes "fact".
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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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SDHornet wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:57 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:53 pm

So, basically, just like the media. :lol: :lol:
Maybe he should be called "bobbythebutthurt" instead. :lol:
Or maybe you could graduate to the adult table and become relevant.
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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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bobbythekidd wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:04 pm
SDHornet wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:57 am

Maybe he should be called "bobbythebutthurt" instead. :lol:
Or maybe you could graduate to the adult table and become relevant.
I live at the adult table. :coffee:

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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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SDHornet wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:29 pm
bobbythekidd wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:04 pm
Or maybe you could graduate to the adult table and become relevant.
I live at the adult table. :coffee:


I can confirm. You have the same love for rando tweets without links or sources that my bat shit crazy 80 year old Covid denying Trump loving friend has.

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Merrill Ivytalk is bullshit on America! :mrgreen:

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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:21 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:23 am

You're seriously offering that gibberish as some sort of proof.......of something? Where's the graph that shows the budget for the DOE is about 10% of the DOD budget? :coffee:
Baldy :ohno:
Comparing the DOE budget to the DOD budget is only something someone clueless about education spending, such as yourself, would suggest :lol: . Newsflash, most education spending is at the local and state level.

Frankly, the graph for the DOE should be 0% of the budget of the DOD, as education is a local and state matter, not a federal one.
I guess they just aren't too bright where you went to school :coffee:
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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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houndawg wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:20 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:21 pm
Comparing the DOE budget to the DOD budget is only something someone clueless about education spending, such as yourself, would suggest :lol: . Newsflash, most education spending is at the local and state level.

Frankly, the graph for the DOE should be 0% of the budget of the DOD, as education is a local and state matter, not a federal one.
I guess they just aren't too bright where you went to school :coffee:
Says the moron who tried to compare the DOD and DOE budgets.. :lol:
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kalm wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:34 pm
SDHornet wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:29 pm

I live at the adult table. :coffee:


I can confirm. You have the same love for rando tweets without links or sources that my bat shit crazy 80 year old Covid denying Trump loving friend has.

:kisswink:

:lol:
Like all the fake Leftist talking points over the past few years. Guess you don't like it when the rules are flipped and played by those not on the groupthink plantation. :coffee:
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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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SDHornet wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:22 am
kalm wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:34 pm

I can confirm. You have the same love for rando tweets without links or sources that my bat shit crazy 80 year old Covid denying Trump loving friend has.

:kisswink:

:lol:
Like all the fake Leftist talking points over the past few years. Guess you don't like it when the rules are flipped and played by those not on the groupthink plantation. :coffee:
Yes...fake is fake.

No...I like verifiable facts and sourcing. It has nothing to do with ideological talking points. I’m not attached to those things. Unsubstantiated info from tweets is cute....for a moment.

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kalm wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:33 am
SDHornet wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:22 am

Like all the fake Leftist talking points over the past few years. Guess you don't like it when the rules are flipped and played by those not on the groupthink plantation. :coffee:
Yes...fake is fake.

No...I like verifiable facts and sourcing. It has nothing to do with ideological talking points. I’m not attached to those things. Unsubstantiated info from tweets is cute....for a moment.

:coffee:
Remind us again how many leftist narratives have gaslite you the past few years? :lol:
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SDHornet wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:43 am
kalm wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:33 am

Yes...fake is fake.

No...I like verifiable facts and sourcing. It has nothing to do with ideological talking points. I’m not attached to those things. Unsubstantiated info from tweets is cute....for a moment.

:coffee:
Remind us again how many leftist narratives have gaslite you the past few years? :lol:
Honestly? A small few have just like they do for everyone one. But in general that shit gets checked down pretty damn quick on here which is one of the reasons I love this place. That’s happening to you right now, kid. Learn from it. :kisswink:
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kalm wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:19 pm
SDHornet wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:43 am

Remind us again how many leftist narratives have gaslite you the past few years? :lol:
Honestly? A small few have just like they do for everyone one. But in general that shit gets checked down pretty damn quick on here which is one of the reasons I love this place. That’s happening to you right now, kid. Learn from it. :kisswink:
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kalm wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:19 pm
SDHornet wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:43 am

Remind us again how many leftist narratives have gaslite you the past few years? :lol:
Honestly? A small few have just like they do for everyone one. But in general that shit gets checked down pretty damn quick on here which is one of the reasons I love this place. That’s happening to you right now, kid. Learn from it. :kisswink:
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kalm wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:07 am Another fine screed from Scott Galloway. Government can provide positive outcomes. Capitalism isn’t bad. Striking the right balance is the challenge we’ve been able to mostly overcome in the past. Will trust in government institutions increase?
Optimists are overrated. With Big Tech, Covid-19, or Putin, would we have been better off listening to the optimists or the pessimists? People think it takes optimism to be an entrepreneur. Not so — in my case, it just required the self-awareness to know I didn’t have the skills to succeed in a big company. Optimism is required to be an early stage investor, however. I typically invest in later stage growth firms, as my reaction to every startup idea is “there’s NFW that will work.”

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If you’re looking for justice in the corporate world, you’re going to be disappointed. It’s tempting to put successful business leaders or political figures on a pedestal and mistake adulation for analysis. The lack of realism in our country has been damaging. We gave Donald Trump, Sheryl Sandberg, 3D printing, and Hayden Christensen the benefit of the doubt. And we were wrong. The next casualty of our optimism? The midlife-crisis-fueled ascent of … private space travel. Tourists/explorers to space/Mars will be disappointed/dead, respectively. Worse, they will produce poor shareholder returns.

However, recently, I’ve been experiencing an alien sensation. I hate the world/myself/everyone … less. I’m still bearish on space travel, but at sea level, things feel … better.

Back in March, on the one-year anniversary of Covid going global, I published an ode to pessimism in the Economist. America’s maladroit response to the pandemic, I argued, was a symptom of a deeper issue: We’ve lost respect for the role of civil institutions, in favor of a misguided obsession with individualism. The result “is rising inequality, decreased economic mobility and an economy that has gone from dysfunctional to dystopic in 12 months.” Yep, that sounds like me.

This frustration with the feeble American pandemic response was rooted in the knowledge that we’re capable of much better. Since WWII, the U.S. federal government has been the most powerful player on the global stage and the catalyst for some of the century’s key successes, from the Marshall Plan to the eradication of smallpox to the internet.

You’re likely reading this newsletter on the product of two generations of government accomplishments. As economist Mariana Mazzucato has shown, the iPhone is a museum of government-funded research: DARPA pioneered voice-controlled AI, the Air Force developed GPS — almost every piece of its technology has the government behind it.
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Abrams’ newfound wealth is representative of the growing income gap between politicians and normies. This gap is statistically demonstrable. Something like 8 percent of American adults are millionaires, while members of Congress weigh in at about 50 percent. To anyone paying attention, this discrepancy is too large to be written off as mere coincidence.

This trend has worsened in recent decades. According to a 2011 article in The Washington Post, as recently as 1975 “it wasn’t nearly so unusual for a person with few assets besides a home to win and serve in Congress.” The article goes on to note that lawmakers “of that time included a barber, a pipe fitter, and a house painter.”

Today, things are quite different. Between 1984 and 2009, the median wealth of a House member “more than doubled,” while “the wealth of the average American family declined.” The chasm has only widened since then. According to BallotPedia’s “Personal Gain Index,” between 2004 and 2012, “the average increase in net worth for the top 100 [richest congressional incumbents] was 114 percent per year.”
Maybe Bernie, AOChe, Abrams and others should take a look in the mirror before demonizing evil capitalists.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:15 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:07 am Another fine screed from Scott Galloway. Government can provide positive outcomes. Capitalism isn’t bad. Striking the right balance is the challenge we’ve been able to mostly overcome in the past. Will trust in government institutions increase?



https://www.profgalloway.com/a-reluctant-optimist/
Speaking of income inequity, I found this little nugget in Here’s Why Stacey Abrams’ Millions Matter:
Abrams’ newfound wealth is representative of the growing income gap between politicians and normies. This gap is statistically demonstrable. Something like 8 percent of American adults are millionaires, while members of Congress weigh in at about 50 percent. To anyone paying attention, this discrepancy is too large to be written off as mere coincidence.

This trend has worsened in recent decades. According to a 2011 article in The Washington Post, as recently as 1975 “it wasn’t nearly so unusual for a person with few assets besides a home to win and serve in Congress.” The article goes on to note that lawmakers “of that time included a barber, a pipe fitter, and a house painter.”

Today, things are quite different. Between 1984 and 2009, the median wealth of a House member “more than doubled,” while “the wealth of the average American family declined.” The chasm has only widened since then. According to BallotPedia’s “Personal Gain Index,” between 2004 and 2012, “the average increase in net worth for the top 100 [richest congressional incumbents] was 114 percent per year.”
Maybe Bernie, AOChe, Abrams and others should take a look in the mirror before demonizing evil capitalists.
Might want to read my comment again or do you agree with me in general?

Capitalists are inherently evil. Neither are socialists.
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:57 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:15 pm
Speaking of income inequity, I found this little nugget in Here’s Why Stacey Abrams’ Millions Matter:

Maybe Bernie, AOChe, Abrams and others should take a look in the mirror before demonizing evil capitalists.
Might want to read my comment again or do you agree with me in general?

Capitalists are inherently evil. Neither are socialists.
Quoting for posterity.

You might want to read my comment again - I didn't say you should take a look in the mirror before demonizing capitalists.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:57 am
Skjellyfetti wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:42 am It sounds like you're judging people on the Left based on their group identity and not valuing or respecting who they are as an individual.
why should we? They don't....
What about D1B?
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:21 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:23 am

You're seriously offering that gibberish as some sort of proof.......of something? Where's the graph that shows the budget for the DOE is about 10% of the DOD budget? :coffee:
Baldy :ohno:
Comparing the DOE budget to the DOD budget is only something someone clueless about education spending, such as yourself, would suggest :lol: . Newsflash, most education spending is at the local and state level.

Frankly, the graph for the DOE should be 0% of the budget of the DOD, as education is a local and state matter, not a federal one.
Like West Point and Annapolis?
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:21 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:57 pm

Might want to read my comment again or do you agree with me in general?

Capitalists are inherently evil. Neither are socialists.
Quoting for posterity.

You might want to read my comment again - I didn't say you should take a look in the mirror before demonizing capitalists.
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Freudian slip… :oops:

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Bearish in the long term, unfortunately, due to our unwillingness to take climate change more seriously than short-term profits and that we've probably already passed the tipping point for ameliorating our impact significantly
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Wow i never this thread before. i am fairly optimistic because I think the kind of people with mindsets that impede our progress are declining as a percentage of the population. They're still a large proportion but it'll be a much smaller proportion of it 50 years from now. i won't live to see it but i think a better day is coming.

On education being a local and State matter: i think it is but I think the Federal government has a role to play. it can do things that no other institution can do. Like the National Assessment of Educational Progress. That is a powerful tool that can give us information on what works and what doesn't. It's just a matter of interpreting the data without politically correct biases. But the data are very good, i think. And we wouldn't have it without a Federal entity doing it.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:59 pm Wow i never this thread before. i am fairly optimistic because I think the kind of people with mindsets that impede our progress are declining as a percentage of the population. They're still a large proportion but it'll be a much smaller proportion of it 50 years from now. i won't live to see it but i think a better day is coming.

On education being a local and State matter: i think it is but I think the Federal government has a role to play. it can do things that no other institution can do. Like the National Assessment of Educational Progress. That is a powerful tool that can give us information on what works and what doesn't. It's just a matter of interpreting the data without politically correct biases. But the data are very good, i think. And we wouldn't have it without a Federal entity doing it.
But are they declining fast enough? I do not think so. :(
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