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Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:56 am
by BDKJMU
Largest uprising in decades deserves its own thread..
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:01 am
by BDKJMU
andy7171 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:58 am
HHHmmmmmmmm
Something is off here...
Yeah lol the WH is parroting the leftist talking points of this being due to the China Virus.
This uprising creates a real conundrum for the left in America…what’s a Castro and Che Guevara t-shirt wearing democrat socialist to do?
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:01 am
by UNI88
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:01 am
andy7171 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:58 am
HHHmmmmmmmm
Something is off here...
Yeah lol the WH is parroting the leftist talking points of this being due to the China Virus.
This uprising creates a real conundrum for the left in America…what’s a democrat socialist to do?
Bernie's contortions are fun to watch.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 am
by Ibanez
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:01 am
andy7171 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:58 am
HHHmmmmmmmm
Something is off here...
Yeah lol the WH is parroting the leftist talking points of this being due to the China Virus.
This uprising creates a real conundrum for the left in America…what’s a Castro and Che Guevara t-shirt wearing democrat socialist to do?
Part of the problem is the depressing economic conditions in Cuba - exacerbated in part by Trump era sanctions. They're speaking out against food shortages and high prices (from what i've read). Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:19 am
by 89Hen
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 am
Part of the problem is the depressing economic conditions in Cuba - exacerbated in part by Trump era sanctions. They're speaking out against food shortages and high prices (from what i've read). Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all.
Aren't the sanctions supposed to elicit a change? So they worked.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:25 am
by andy7171
I was kinda going in the direction that its pretty much an American only thing have the right to be able to peacefully protest.
But what ever.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:27 am
by andy7171
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 am
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:01 am
Yeah lol the WH is parroting the leftist talking points of this being due to the China Virus.
This uprising creates a real conundrum for the left in America…what’s a Castro and Che Guevara t-shirt wearing democrat socialist to do?
Part of the problem is the depressing economic conditions in Cuba - exacerbated in part by Trump era sanctions. They're speaking out against food shortages and high prices (from what i've read). Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all.
All they have to do is overthrow the government and billions of american dollars float over monthly.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:34 am
by Ibanez
89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:19 am
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 am
Part of the problem is the depressing economic conditions in Cuba - exacerbated in part by Trump era sanctions. They're speaking out against food shortages and high prices (from what i've read). Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all.
Aren't the sanctions supposed to elicit a change? So they worked.
They are supposed to elicit a change. I'm not necessarily knocking them.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:35 am
by Ibanez
andy7171 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:27 am
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 am
Part of the problem is the depressing economic conditions in Cuba - exacerbated in part by Trump era sanctions. They're speaking out against food shortages and high prices (from what i've read). Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all.
All they have to do is overthrow the government and billions of american dollars float over monthly.
Something like that...
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:01 am
by 89Hen
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:34 am
89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:19 am
Aren't the sanctions supposed to elicit a change? So they worked.
They are supposed to elicit a change. I'm not necessarily knocking them.
The "Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all." tricked me.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:05 am
by Ibanez
89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:01 am
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:34 am
They are supposed to elicit a change. I'm not necessarily knocking them.
The "Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all." tricked me.
It's true - it hasn't helped the Cuban people one bit. But I see where I could've been more clear.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:06 am
by kalm
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:05 am
89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:01 am
The "Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all." tricked me.
It's true - it hasn't helped the Cuban people one bit. But I see where I could've been more clear.
Unlike the Iranian sanctions...
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:07 am
by andy7171
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:05 am
89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:01 am
The "Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all." tricked me.
It's true - it hasn't helped the Cuban people one bit. But I see where I could've been more clear.
You know who else didn't help the Cuban people? The Castros.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:07 am
by UNI88
kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:06 am
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:05 am
It's true - it hasn't helped the Cuban people one bit. But I see where I could've been more clear.
Unlike the Iranian sanctions...
What about the Iranian sanctions?
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:08 am
by Ibanez
kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:06 am
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:05 am
It's true - it hasn't helped the Cuban people one bit. But I see where I could've been more clear.
Unlike the Iranian sanctions...
Let's be honest - the citizens feel the pressure of sanctions. Cuba has to import so much and with sanctions from medicine and food to car parts and basic supplies, they've struggled for generations because of the Castro brothers.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:12 am
by andy7171
UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:07 am
kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:06 am
Unlike the Iranian sanctions...
What about the Iranian sanctions?
Kalm and Obama both hate the Iranians, especially Neda. They think the Iyatollas should do whatever they wish.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:31 am
by Ibanez
andy7171 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:07 am
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:05 am
It's true - it hasn't helped the Cuban people one bit. But I see where I could've been more clear.
You know who else didn't help the Cuban people? The Castros.
Of course not. Communism isn't about the people. It's about those at the top...and staying at the top.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:33 am
by SDHornet
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 am
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:01 am
Yeah lol the WH is parroting the leftist talking points of this being due to the China Virus.
This uprising creates a real conundrum for the left in America…what’s a Castro and Che Guevara t-shirt wearing democrat socialist to do?
Part of the problem is the depressing economic conditions in Cuba - exacerbated in part by Trump era sanctions. They're speaking out against food shortages and high prices (from what i've read). Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all.
They just need to Communism better.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:39 am
by Ibanez
SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:33 am
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 am
Part of the problem is the depressing economic conditions in Cuba - exacerbated in part by Trump era sanctions. They're speaking out against food shortages and high prices (from what i've read). Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all.
They just need to Communism better.
Which is it - that socialism turns into communism or is it the other way around
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:41 am
by UNI88
andy7171 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:12 am
UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:07 am
What about the Iranian sanctions?
Kalm and Obama both hate the Iranians, especially Neda. They think the Iyatollas should do whatever they wish.
We need Chizzy to make an appearance and remind us of the beauty of Iranian women.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:42 am
by UNI88
SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:33 am
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 am
Part of the problem is the depressing economic conditions in Cuba - exacerbated in part by Trump era sanctions. They're speaking out against food shortages and high prices (from what i've read). Decades of the US sanctioning them hasn't helped at all.
They just need to Communism better.
It will work this time! Trust Bernie and his brahs.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:44 am
by SDHornet
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:39 am
SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:33 am
They just need to Communism better.
Which is it - that socialism turns into communism or is it the other way around
I dunno, but whatever it is, it isn't the right way...or something...
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:51 am
by kalm
SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:44 am
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:39 am
Which is it - that socialism turns into communism or is it the other way around
I dunno, but whatever it is, it isn't the right way...or something...
It was the first one for Marx. Orwell and I think Huxley who were more in favor democratic socialism warned against oligarchical collectivism.
The end result of pure capitalism and communism is authoritarianism.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:52 am
by Ibanez
kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:51 am
SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:44 am
I dunno, but whatever it is, it isn't the right way...or something...
It was the first one for Marx. Orwell and I think Huxley who were more in favor democratic socialism warned against oligarchical collectivism.
The end result of pure capitalism and communism is authoritarianism.
Followed by annihilation.
Re: Cuban Uprising
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:54 am
by Baldy
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:08 am
kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:06 am
Unlike the Iranian sanctions...
Let's be honest - the citizens feel the pressure of sanctions. Cuba has to import so much and with sanctions from medicine and food to car parts and basic supplies, they've struggled for generations because of the Castro brothers.
Medical supplies are exempt from US sanctions.
There are roughly 180 other countries who could help Cuba. Why do we need to send US dollars to Cuba to subsidize it's Communist regime?