Critical Race Theory

[89Hen]

Hey man, it is the truth. Are you really going to argue about what happened? Are you going to argue that there wasn't slavery? Are you going to argue that there wasn't genocide? It happened. The first thing people need to do with respect to discussing this thing is to stop being put off by the truth.

Only the very stubborn or moronic refuse to acknowledge that history and CRT are not the same thing.

[houndawg]

Its easy as pie, money talks. Ask Dan Price.

This post (among many of yours) just shows how out of touch you are.

Don't you have some elderly widows that need their blood sucked? What do you do with your time?

[kalm]

Hey man, it is the truth. Are you really going to argue about what happened? Are you going to argue that there wasn't slavery? Are you going to argue that there wasn't genocide? It happened. The first thing people need to do with respect to discussing this thing is to stop being put off by the truth.

Only the very stubborn or moronic refuse to acknowledge that history and CRT are not the same thing.

Only the very stubborn or moronic are angered by history and different perspectives (especially the ones they don’t know about).

[CID1990]

Only the very stubborn or moronic refuse to acknowledge that history and CRT are not the same thing.

Only the very stubborn or moronic are angered by history and different perspectives (especially the ones they don’t know about).

Stubborn? Says the guy desperately clinging to a demonstrably false premise.


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[kalm]

Only the very stubborn or moronic are angered by history and different perspectives (especially the ones they don’t know about).

Stubborn? Says the guy desperately clinging to a demonstrably false premise.


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Deliver the goods. What is being taught? How bad is it?

[AZGrizFan]

Stubborn? Says the guy desperately clinging to a demonstrably false premise.


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Deliver the goods. What is being taught? How bad is it?

Didn’t you already get smacked down by Hen on this demand?

[UNI88]

Stubborn? Says the guy desperately clinging to a demonstrably false premise.

Deliver the goods. What is being taught? How bad is it?

That's more definitive than anything I've seen "proving' Trump's a fascist. You completely blew past it earlier because it doesn't fit your narrative.

[89Hen]

Only the very stubborn or moronic refuse to acknowledge that history and CRT are not the same thing.

Only the very stubborn or moronic are angered by history and different perspectives (especially the ones they don’t know about).

Agreed. Is there anyone here that doesn't?

[kalm]

Deliver the goods. What is being taught? How bad is it?

That's more definitive than anything I've seen "proving' Trump's a fascist. You completely blew past it earlier because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Very well spoken and believable.

Still has an axe to grind. Founder of the Chalk Board Review.

https://thechalkboardreview.com/crt-toolkit

This is a political argument over how history is taught. I’m sure there are some examples of revisionist history being taught. Still very short on concrete examples of it deserving the crises attention it’s getting from the right.

But hey! Only 46% of Republicans think history of racism shouldn’t be taught so progress…I suppose!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswe ... 88%3famp=1

[89Hen]

This is a political argument over how history is taught.

No, it's not. You keep trying to make it that. But that's not the issue and I think (hope) you know that.

[UNI88]

This is a political argument over how history is taught.

No, it's not. You keep trying to make it that. But that's not the issue and I think (hope) you know that.

I don't think Kalm's wrong, it is a political argument over how history is taught.

Some believe that racism should be included in teaching history. Others believe that that isn't enough and that students should be taught that racism is the essence of America.

Kalm is defending or deflecting for the second group.

[89Hen]

No, it's not. You keep trying to make it that. But that's not the issue and I think (hope) you know that.

I don't think Kalm's wrong, it is a political argument over how history is taught.

Some believe that racism should be included in teaching history. Others believe that that isn't enough and that students should be taught that racism is the essence of America.

Kalm is defending or deflecting for the second group.

And you're defending or deflecting for kalm. I've yet to see a person say racism shouldn't be included in teaching history. So it's NOT arguing about how history is taught.

[UNI88]

I don't think Kalm's wrong, it is a political argument over how history is taught.

Some believe that racism should be included in teaching history. Others believe that that isn't enough and that students should be taught that racism is the essence of America.

Kalm is defending or deflecting for the second group.

And you're defending or deflecting for kalm. I've yet to see a person say racism shouldn't be included in teaching history. So it's NOT arguing about how history is taught.

Reread my post. I don't disagree with Kalm that it's a political argument. I do disagree with Kalm about what the argument is really about.

The first group believes that racism should be included in teaching history. You, I and almost everyone (I'm not sure about CG) believes that is true.

The second group believes that isn't enough, that students should be taught that racism is the essence of America.

Defenders and deflectors for the second group want to falsely portray people who disagree with them as opposed to teaching racism's role in American history.

The Maher piece that CID posted shows where the argument really is.

[89Hen]

And you're defending or deflecting for kalm. I've yet to see a person say racism shouldn't be included in teaching history. So it's NOT arguing about how history is taught.

Reread my post. I don't disagree with Kalm that it's a political argument. I do disagree with Kalm about what the argument is really about.

We do agree, but that's not what you post said. Had you stopped at "I don't think Kalm's wrong, it is a political argument" we would be in agreement. By adding "over how history is taught" we no longer agree. Now we agree again.

[CID1990]

Stubborn? Says the guy desperately clinging to a demonstrably false premise.


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Deliver the goods. What is being taught? How bad is it?

That isn’t the false premise I am talking about. I have already explained it to you in detail. Either you are being willfully ignorant or you are bring intentionally misleading.

YOU need to show where people are protesting things that have been regularly taught in public schools over at least the last 40 years. Because they are not.


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[SDHornet]

I don't know if the outcry is organic but I would say that the concern is much more valid and less hysterical than the screams that Trump was a facist. I don't remember you questioning that outcry.

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Trump IS effectively a fascist. He may not be bright enough to recognize himself as such or even know what fascism is. But he effectively is a fascist. That's the risk he represents.

I was at Costco earlier this week and saw a water filter for the sink. Thought about buying it and sending it to you...

...because it removes TDS.

[kalm]

Deliver the goods. What is being taught? How bad is it?

That isn’t the false premise I am talking about. I have already explained it to you in detail. Either you are being willfully ignorant or you are bring intentionally misleading.

YOU need to show where people are protesting things that have been regularly taught in public schools over at least the last 40 years. Because they are not.


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Ah! So your argument is against the desired change in what’s been taught?

1) Well CRT has been around since the early 70’s.

2). Cultural change and power dynamics can create a revision in how history is viewed. (Again politicization. Who gets to write history again?)

3). According to the Monmouth study 46% of your side doesn’t want history of race taught at all.

Pass the chips.

[CID1990]

That isn’t the false premise I am talking about. I have already explained it to you in detail. Either you are being willfully ignorant or you are bring intentionally misleading.

YOU need to show where people are protesting things that have been regularly taught in public schools over at least the last 40 years. Because they are not.


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Ah! So your argument is against the desired change in what’s been taught?.

NO klam it is not.

I don’t think you have a reading comprehension problem so I can only conclude that you are intentionally ignoring what I have said so you don’t have to address it.

Fortunately for public education in the country, voters are rejecting your brand of dishonesty and subversion so it isn’t really necessary to debate you or the rest of the statists.

Us normals prefer to believe our lying eyes.


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[kalm]

Ah! So your argument is against the desired change in what’s been taught?.

NO klam it is not.

I don’t think you have a reading comprehension problem so I can only conclude that you are intentionally ignoring what I have said so you don’t have to address it.

Fortunately for public education in the country, voters are rejecting your brand of dishonesty and subversion so it isn’t really necessary to debate you or the rest of the statists.

Us normals prefer to believe our lying eyes.


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I must have a reading comprehension problem then as I honestly don’t know what you’re driving at. Racism is a part of our history and culture. That should be taught and taught with accuracy and probably from multiple perspectives. Not to make anyone feel better or worse…just for the sake of accuracy and cultural honesty.

CRT is being taught. It’s bad. How bad? I don’t know because I can’t come up with any real examples of what it is. Liberals and statists are bad too. Grrr….

[CID1990]

NO klam it is not.

I don’t think you have a reading comprehension problem so I can only conclude that you are intentionally ignoring what I have said so you don’t have to address it.

Fortunately for public education in the country, voters are rejecting your brand of dishonesty and subversion so it isn’t really necessary to debate you or the rest of the statists.

Us normals prefer to believe our lying eyes.


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I must have a reading comprehension problem then as I honestly don’t know what you’re driving at. Racism is a part of our history and culture. That should be taught and taught with accuracy and probably from multiple perspectives. Not to make anyone feel better or worse…just for the sake of accuracy and cultural honesty.

CRT is being taught. It’s bad. How bad? I don’t know because I can’t come up with any real examples of what it is. Liberals and statists are bad too. Grrr….

CRT is not the racial history of America.


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[kalm]

I must have a reading comprehension problem then as I honestly don’t know what you’re driving at. Racism is a part of our history and culture. That should be taught and taught with accuracy and probably from multiple perspectives. Not to make anyone feel better or worse…just for the sake of accuracy and cultural honesty.

CRT is being taught. It’s bad. How bad? I don’t know because I can’t come up with any real examples of what it is. Liberals and statists are bad too. Grrr….

CRT is not the racial history of America.


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No shit?

[89Hen]

Racism is a part of our history and culture. That should be taught and taught with accuracy and probably from multiple perspectives. Not to make anyone feel better or worse…just for the sake of accuracy and cultural honesty.

HARD STOP!!!!! Racism in the US IS and SHOULD be taught that it's a part of our history. HOWEVER, CRT is ABSOLUTELY MEANT to make certain people feel better AND worse.

I seriously can't believe you don't understand what the CRT argument is about.

[89Hen]

CRT is not the racial history of America.

No shit?

So you're trolling?

[JohnStOnge]

Trump IS effectively a fascist. He may not be bright enough to recognize himself as such or even know what fascism is. But he effectively is a fascist. That's the risk he represents.

No he isn't. You're obviously the one who doesn't know what fascism is.

Trump is a lot of horrible things, but a fascist isn't one.

I know what fascism is. Trump was not able to implement it because of our system. But he's a fascist. If he'd had his way he would indeed have assumed power as a dictator, implemented authoritarian ultranationalism, forcibly suppressed opposition, etc. No reasonable doubt about it.

[JohnStOnge]

Hey man, it is the truth. Are you really going to argue about what happened? Are you going to argue that there wasn't slavery? Are you going to argue that there wasn't genocide? It happened. The first thing people need to do with respect to discussing this thing is to stop being put off by the truth.

Only the very stubborn or moronic refuse to acknowledge that history and CRT are not the same thing.

The post to which I was responding didn’t say anything about Critical Race Theory. It depicted a poster with the words Settler Colonialism, Genocide, Slavery, Imperialism, Jim Crow, and a couple of things I have trouble reading. Everything I could read is true about the history of the United States.

Europeans came to this continent. They brought over people from Africa as slaves. They wiped out the overwhelming majority of the native inhabitants while forcibly taking their lands. Later the nation practiced and continues to practice imperialism, which is defined as “A policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.”

I’m not horrified by it. I think it’s consistent with the way the world worked through most of the history of civilization. I think things started to change relatively recently in historical terms. But it is what it is, and people shouldn’t get all in a tither when other people point it out.