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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:58 pm According to BLS January #s
160.1 million employed
5.7 million unemployed
62.4% Labor Force Participation Rate. Was 63.1% Feb 2019 when Covid hit. So just doing the math, if we had that same Labor Force Participation Rate now as at the beginning of Covid, would be about 1.8 million more people working.
66.4% Labor Force Participation Rate in Jan 2003. If we had a 66.4% Labor Force Participation Rate today would have about 7.8 million more people working.
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-s ... n-rate.htm
100.9 million adults not in the labor force. 22.1 million are age 25-54.
https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea38.htm
We have a labor shortage because too many able bodied people not working who should be..
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Re: Bidenflation and Shortage thread

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kalm wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:59 pm But it was ALL about the infrastructure bill and Covid overspending….

800 million quarterly profit- that’s it? Last year they had net sales of 20.1 billion, 3.4 billion profit (thats an avg of 850 million per quarter), which was down 1% from the year before. Inflation adjusted thats a bigger drop. And 17% profit margin isn’t tbat big.
https://s29.q4cdn.com/993087495/files/d ... -FINAL.pdf
Now only 800 million quarterly profit. So they are raising costs. Maybe they should just tell their employees no pay raises or better yet, to take a pay cut.

Now please continue with your faux outrage about ‘corporate greed’ being the reason for rising prices..
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Re: Bidenflation and Shortage thread

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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:57 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:59 pm But it was ALL about the infrastructure bill and Covid overspending….

800 million quarterly profit- that’s it? Last year they had net sales of 20.1 billion, 3.4 billion profit (thats an avg of 850 million per quarter), which was down 1% from the year before. Inflation adjusted thats a bigger drop. And 17% profit margin isn’t tbat big.
https://s29.q4cdn.com/993087495/files/d ... -FINAL.pdf
Now only 800 million quarterly profit. So they are raising costs. Maybe they should just tell their employees no pay raises or better yet, to take a pay cut.

Now please continue with your faux outrage about ‘corporate greed’ being the reason for rising prices..
Maybe they should just tell their customers eat less or make more.

Profit taking isn’t the only cause, but it’s a significant part of it. CEO’s brag about it. They must. It’s their fiduciary responsibility.

Why do hate small businesses?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/economy/ ... index.html
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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:14 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:57 pm
800 million quarterly profit- that’s it? Last year they had net sales of 20.1 billion, 3.4 billion profit (thats an avg of 850 million per quarter), which was down 1% from the year before. Inflation adjusted thats a bigger drop. And 17% profit margin isn’t tbat big.
https://s29.q4cdn.com/993087495/files/d ... -FINAL.pdf
Now only 800 million quarterly profit. So they are raising costs. Maybe they should just tell their employees no pay raises or better yet, to take a pay cut.

Now please continue with your faux outrage about ‘corporate greed’ being the reason for rising prices..
Maybe they should just tell their customers eat less or make more.

Profit taking isn’t the only cause, but it’s a significant part of it. CEO’s brag about it. They must. It’s their fiduciary responsibility.

Why do hate small businesses?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/economy/ ... index.html
BDk's right, though, 17% profit margin isn't really that substantial. I work in a business where we don't pursue any new ventures unless they are 30% margin or better (preferably over 50%). We move away from any business that's below 20%.

And again, we've been over this time and time again (it's like that line from "City Slickers" - "even the cows could do it by now"). Biggest issue was flooding the market with money (i.e. the supply of money). Inflation's root cause is always a supply of money. Biden's economic policy was entirely MMT working under the idea that there's no limit to government spending. Inflation, normally stable and predictable around 2-3% over long periods of time, jumped to close to 10% in the matter of months. The ripples from that sudden and significant lurch upwards are still being felt today and will probably be felt for years to come, even after inflation was brought back under control (i.e. we stopped spending like drunk sailors). Supply chains can be really long - some things are 2-4 years in length in the ordering process. With stable inflation, you can reasonably predict what the cost of something will be two years from now and plan your buying schedule accordingly and still be comfortable that you'll make money back on your investment. When the Biden-induced inflation spike took away that stability, now people have to make different assumptions about what things will cost next week, 6 months from now, or 2 years from now. If they still want to be in business and still make a profit off of their work, they have to factor that in. To borrow another movie line, this time from "Taken", "our costs go up, your costs go up". The company that sells pizza sauce has a supply chain up to a year long, so when they commit to buy the tomatoes for their sauce, they're getting charged much higher for the tomatoes they'll take possession of a year from now because the farmer is worried his own costs will go up (stability is gone) and he needs to cover that a year from now. The pizza sauce company realizes they're paying a lot more for their tomatoes, so to make that up and still be profitable, they need to sell the sauce to the pizza shop owner at a higher price. The pizza shop owner, also not wanting to go out of business, charges me more for the pizza I order every Friday. So something that government erred on 3 years ago (spending blowout) that spiked inflation over the course of a year, is still having ripple effects long after the original cause has been corrected. The snowball keeps rolling down the hill even if it's not being pushed any more from the kid at the top of the hill. Moral of the story - don't let inflation ever start to get out of control.
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Re: Bidenflation and Shortage thread

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A year ago or so, The dollar pizza joints in NYC raised the price to 1.50 :lol: I’m not sure how they do it but always people buying it so volume I guess

The more traditional places sell a slice of cheese for anywhere between $3 and 4 bucks now, empty

The traditional places are only a little better than the 1.50 brand … some are much better

Which one would you buy
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Caribbean Hen wrote:A year ago or so, The dollar pizza joints in NYC raised the price to 1.50 :lol: I’m not sure how they do it but always people buying it so volume I guess

The more traditional places sell a slice of cheese for anywhere between $3 and 4 bucks now, empty

The traditional places are only a little better than the 1.50 brand … some are much better

Which one would you buy
Chicago tavern style or deep dish.


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UNI88 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:44 am
Caribbean Hen wrote:A year ago or so, The dollar pizza joints in NYC raised the price to 1.50 :lol: I’m not sure how they do it but always people buying it so volume I guess

The more traditional places sell a slice of cheese for anywhere between $3 and 4 bucks now, empty

The traditional places are only a little better than the 1.50 brand … some are much better

Which one would you buy
Chicago tavern style or deep dish.


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Thin slice not gooey but a little greasy with sausage and pepperoni
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Caribbean Hen wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:44 am Chicago tavern style or deep dish.


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Thin slice not gooey but a little greasy with sausage and pepperoni
What do you think tavern style is you pizza neophyte. Crispy crust rather than that fold over wet cardboard crap they serve in NYC. ;)


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UNI88 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:38 am
Caribbean Hen wrote:
Thin slice not gooey but a little greasy with sausage and pepperoni
What do you think tavern style is you pizza neophyte. Crispy crust rather than that fold over wet cardboard crap they serve in NYC. ;)


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You gotta go thick or thin slice and Chicago pizza is thick just like you

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Caribbean Hen wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:38 am What do you think tavern style is you pizza neophyte. Crispy crust rather than that fold over wet cardboard crap they serve in NYC. ;)


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You gotta go thick or thin slice and Chicago pizza is thick just like you

You can’t have it both ways
What do you think Chicago tavern style is. Chicago has thick, thin and everything in between. It’s pizza heaven.

Check out the pies at Vito & Nicks on the south side or Pats on the north side for examples.


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“From March 2020 to the peak in July 2022, the M2 supply increased by $5.725 trillion.”

https://www.spglobal.com/marketintellig ... n-75941751

The only thing that causes inflation is the government printing press …
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:28 pm “From March 2020 to the peak in July 2022, the M2 supply increased by $5.725 trillion.”

https://www.spglobal.com/marketintellig ... n-75941751

The only thing that causes inflation is the government printing press
That’s certainly a main contributing factor but your statement incorrect which has been my point all along.

BTW..I’m not a Fed fan either and I think there needs to be reforms.
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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:53 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:28 pm “From March 2020 to the peak in July 2022, the M2 supply increased by $5.725 trillion.”

https://www.spglobal.com/marketintellig ... n-75941751

The only thing that causes inflation is the government printing press
That’s certainly a main contributing factor but your statement incorrect which has been my point all along.

BTW..I’m not a Fed fan either and I think there needs to be reforms.
What statement is incorrect?

The Fed is the only entity that can legally increase the M2 money supply right? Nobody else prints money except counterfeiter's
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:34 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:53 pm

That’s certainly a main contributing factor but your statement incorrect which has been my point all along.

BTW..I’m not a Fed fan either and I think there needs to be reforms.
What statement is incorrect?

The Fed is the only entity that can legally increase the M2 money supply right? Nobody else prints money except counterfeiter's
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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:10 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:34 pm

What statement is incorrect?

The Fed is the only entity that can legally increase the M2 money supply right? Nobody else prints money except counterfeiter's
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:27 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:10 pm

“Only”
Go on
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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:38 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:27 pm

Go on
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Well obviously you are wrong

The Fed by printing money, is the only entity that can increase the money supply, not sure why you would disagree
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:26 am
kalm wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:38 pm

Try your hardest. Uncle Houndawg won’t always be around to help you through life. :thumb:
Well obviously you are wrong

The Fed by printing money, is the only entity that can increase the money supply, not sure why you would disagree
That’s not what you wrote though is it?
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kalm wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:37 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:26 am

Well obviously you are wrong

The Fed by printing money, is the only entity that can increase the money supply, not sure why you would disagree
That’s not what you wrote though is it?
Ok, We have at least established that fact the Fed and only the Fed controls the money supply correct?
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:49 am
kalm wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:37 am

That’s not what you wrote though is it?
Ok, We have at least established that fact the Fed and only the Fed controls the money supply correct?
Yes.
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kalm wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:49 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:49 am

Ok, We have at least established that fact the Fed and only the Fed controls the money supply correct?
Yes.
Good, so it would only be logical that inflation, the very root of inflation is caused by more money being created and released into the economy or monetary policy

Obviously you dispute this, probably tired of rehashing

What thread?
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:13 am
kalm wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:49 am

Yes.
Good, so it would only be logical that inflation, the very root of inflation is caused by more money being created and released into the economy or monetary policy

Obviously you dispute this, probably tired of rehashing

What thread?
You wrote:
The only thing that causes inflation is the government printing press …
This is untrue. There are other causes of inflation as well. My disagreement was really that simple.
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kalm wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:23 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:13 am

Good, so it would only be logical that inflation, the very root of inflation is caused by more money being created and released into the economy or monetary policy

Obviously you dispute this, probably tired of rehashing

What thread?
You wrote:
The only thing that causes inflation is the government printing press …
This is untrue. There are other causes of inflation as well. My disagreement was really that simple.
Yes I know

What are the other causes of inflation?

Whatever your arguments are, would they even be possible without an increase in the money supply?
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A biased source, but still, the facts and numbers suggest that the ARP has proven to be a success and was not the sole, or maybe even predominant cause of inflation.

The economy is driven by the working class. Bail them out during an economic crisis (rather than our sometimes used socialism for the rich - capitalism for the poorly approach and you see record breaking economic recovery.
There was another key factor in deciding to err on the side of more support rather than less. If the initial bill fell short, the President could not count on Congress to offer more help. History taught that passing a second recovery bill would be tough, even with the President’s party in charge of Congress. But if the bill happened to be too large, and the economy began to overheat, the Federal Reserve had the capacity to tap the brakes by raising interest rates—which were near zero percent at the time.
The President proposed his package shortly before entering office, and deliberations with Congress resulted in his original plan passing largely unchanged. The final bill provided roughly $1.5 trillion in direct relief to individuals and state and local governments. (While the total cost of the ARP was closer to $1.9 trillion, the remaining funds went to COVID vaccine distribution, K-12 school reopening, and other important efforts apart from financial stabilization.) State and local governments received hundreds of billions of dollars to fill budget holes and avoid painful cuts to payrolls or to badly needed housing and nutrition programs. Working-class adults and their children each received $1,400 stabilization checks. The unemployed got $300 in enhanced weekly benefits, which bought them additional time and financial flexibility to find a good job as businesses reopened. An expanded child tax credit provided parents with young children with as much as $1,600 more per child. Billions of dollars for lower-income homeowners and renters helped keep people in their homes even as foreclosure and eviction moratoria expired.
The President’s decision to plan for uncertainty quickly proved prescient. Shortly after the ARP passed, serious economic headwinds emerged. Two separate COVID variants—Delta in the summer of 2021 and Omicron that winter—led to spikes in infection rates and deaths, deterred people from returning to work, and set back reopening efforts. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in early 2022 disrupted global markets for oil, wheat, and other commodities, and intensified supply chain disruptions. Yet through it all, the ARP kept pushing America’s recovery forward, even as other leading economies sagged under the weight of these global events.
The benefits of the ARP can be seen in nearly every economic measure. Economic growth soared. Moody’s, an independent economic analysis firm, estimated that inflation-adjusted (or “real”) U.S. economic growth in 2021 without the ARP would have been 3 percent. Instead, real U.S. economic growth nearly doubled that estimate, reaching 5.7 percent—one of the strongest years on record. In fact, out of all the world’s leading economies, the United States is the only country to have returned to its pre-pandemic growth trend. From an American growth perspective, it is as if the pandemic-induced recession never happened.
The ARP sharply accelerated job growth as well. Before the ARP, the United States was on pace to recover the jobs lost in the pandemic by mid-2024. Instead, America hit that milestone in mid-2022—and has added four million more jobs in the year and a half since then. Moody’s found that of the nearly seven million jobs created in 2021, four million were attributable to the passage of the ARP.
More jobs brought a steeper decline in the unemployment rate. When the ARP passed in March 2021, 4.2 million people had been unemployed for roughly six months or more. By July 2022, it was less than 1.2 million people—nearly the same number of long-term unemployed as in the month before the pandemic struck. That rapid turnaround was a sharp contrast with the recovery from the 2008 financial crisis, when it took eight years for the number of long-term unemployed to return to pre-crisis levels.
The drop in unemployment was also uniquely broad-based. Past recoveries had offered quick progress for white, well-educated workers but only sluggish progress for other groups. That was not the case with the post-ARP recovery: The unemployment rates for Black workers, Hispanic workers, and workers with disabilities all fell to the lowest levels on record—as did the gap between the Black and white unemployment rates. And the unemployment rate for workers with only high school degrees also dropped below 4 percent, near a record low.
Measures of financial distress markedly improved. Evictions—which typically shoot up during economic downturns—actually declined, even after moratoria on evictions expired. Individual bankruptcy filings dropped and ultimately settled at a lower level than before the pandemic began.
The financial stability that the ARP provided also helped support a burst of entrepreneurship. Most entrepreneurs start a new business with their own funds or funds from friends and family. During an economic downturn, people usually have less money to draw on to make this initial investment. During the Great Recession following the 2008 financial crisis, for example, new business applications declined for two straight years. But in 2021 and 2022, more Americans applied to start new businesses than over any two-year period on record. Once more, this upswing was broad-based, with business ownership rates for Black and Hispanic households shooting up sharply. By giving working-class people the financial wherewithal to take a risk and fund a new venture, the ARP helped lay the foundation for an unprecedented boom in entrepreneurship.
For ARP critics, the 2021 and 2022 surge in inflation was too steep a price to pay for all these extraordinary economic outcomes. That would be a questionable claim even if the ARP were solely responsible for the inflation America experienced during this recovery. But at most, the ARP played a partial role. Researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco—who acknowledge that their estimate is at the higher end of the range—assessed that the ARP, along with the trillions in additional fiscal support during the Trump Administration, contributed roughly 3 additional percentage points to inflation in 2021. Given that annual inflation peaked at more than 9 percent in June 2022, the United States still would have experienced historically high inflation in 2021 and 2022 even in the absence of the ARP.
The relevant counterfactual, therefore, is a world in which the ARP never passed and the United States had to contend with still-high inflation along with softer growth, higher unemployment, fewer small businesses, and lower wages than it has now. That is the scenario many other countries are currently experiencing. Each of them would happily trade places with us today, especially because the United States has been able to bring inflation back down near the Fed’s target without a sharp rise in unemployment.
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Re: Bidenflation and Shortage thread

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Inflation not dead yet

If they really want to get it to 2%, gonna have to be some pain and so far it’s been relatively painless

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Powell say you know what, we can live with 3%

Getting it down from 3% to 2% is still like 33% more.. that will be tough
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