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I live in Baltimore, in a Navy Blue state. So my radio choices are reflected as such. One of my fav morning shows is the C4 show on 1090AM. C4 being the fourth in line of the Maryland famous lineage of Clarence Mitchell. He's a (D) state representative who was jaded by his time in Annapolis and has become a true Independent. Just my observation and his own. My views of left and right are skewed by where I live. I know plenty of people who hate Gov. Hogan and plenty who love him and more that just go "meh". He's a Maryland (R). Who in any red state would be a (D). Just being honest.
Anyway, they were talking about how Biden could turn shit around, before '22 elections. The gist was that they completely abandon COVID mandates and restrictions and declare victory over it. I found this very interesting. 1- everyone would go back to normal. 2- people would feel like it is back to normal. 3- maybe the supply chain BS goes away with whatever is holding up. 4- inflation could possibly slow down. The big problem is whether or not the (D)'s can just give that power back. Because that power of the masks and the mandates and the everything is heavy.
I have to admit. Were that to happen, I could easily see (d)'s not losing as much as they are poised to lose.
Anyway. Kalmy, look up 1090am C4 on your internet dial. He's my kind of (I).

andy7171 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:25 am The gist was that they completely abandon COVID mandates and restrictions and declare victory over it. I found this very interesting. 1- everyone would go back to normal. 2- people would feel like it is back to normal. 3- maybe the supply chain BS goes away with whatever is holding up. 4- inflation could possibly slow down.

Covid itself has little to do with supply chain and inflation.

Covid policy should be based on medicine, not 2022 elections.

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:54 am Covid policy should be based on medicine, not 2022 elections.

Certainly part of the problem with COVID policy is that it's always been impacted by politics, right from the get go. A lot of the initial stuff was impacted by the 2020 elections, and I see no evidence that we've moved away from that.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:56 am

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:54 am Covid policy should be based on medicine, not 2022 elections.

Certainly part of the problem with COVID policy is that it's always been impacted by politics, right from the get go. A lot of the initial stuff was impacted by the 2020 elections, and I see no evidence that we've moved away from that.

It would be refreshing if policy and research were based on medicine rather than politics.

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:54 am Covid policy should be based on medicine, not 2022 elections.

Or 2020 elections. Or 2021 elections. Or 2023 elections.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:15 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:56 am

Certainly part of the problem with COVID policy is that it's always been impacted by politics, right from the get go. A lot of the initial stuff was impacted by the 2020 elections, and I see no evidence that we've moved away from that.

It would be refreshing if policy and research were based on medicine rather than politics.

Agreed but I’m not sure it would be any more popular or accepted. We have trouble laying off the fast food and getting enough exercise like doctors want us to.

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:15 am



It would be refreshing if policy and research were based on medicine rather than politics.

Agreed but I’m not sure it would be any more popular or accepted. We have trouble laying off the fast food and getting enough exercise like doctors want us to.

and yet these things are NEVER mentioned by the politicians.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:56 am

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:54 am Covid policy should be based on medicine, not 2022 elections.

Certainly part of the problem with COVID policy is that it's always been impacted by politics, right from the get go. A lot of the initial stuff was impacted by the 2020 elections, and I see no evidence that we've moved away from that.

Actually, I don't see Biden as being driven by polling data or calculations about the next election. For better or for worse. He seems to be willing to take hits in public opinion for at least the short term to do what he wants to do. When it comes to something like COVID-19 he does not appear to be licking his finger and sticking it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. He appears to be trying to follow the advice of public health professionals.

THE HORROR!!!!

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:08 pm

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:56 am

Certainly part of the problem with COVID policy is that it's always been impacted by politics, right from the get go. A lot of the initial stuff was impacted by the 2020 elections, and I see no evidence that we've moved away from that.

Actually, I don't see Biden as being driven by polling data or calculations about the next election. For better or for worse. He seems to be willing to take hits in public opinion for at least the short term to do what he wants to do. When it comes to something like COVID-19 he does not appear to be licking his finger and sticking it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. He appears to be trying to follow the advice of public health professionals.

THE HORROR!!!!

That you think he has any clue as to what's going on is precious.

I thought this thread was going to be about kalm defending CRT or JSO thinking Trump is bad.

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:08 pm

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:56 am

Certainly part of the problem with COVID policy is that it's always been impacted by politics, right from the get go. A lot of the initial stuff was impacted by the 2020 elections, and I see no evidence that we've moved away from that.

Actually, I don't see Biden as being driven by polling data or calculations about the next election. For better or for worse. He seems to be willing to take hits in public opinion for at least the short term to do what he wants to do. When it comes to something like COVID-19 he does not appear to be licking his finger and sticking it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. He appears to be trying to follow the advice of public health professionals.

THE HORROR!!!!

I don't know what drives Biden either than muscle memory and handlers. Seriously...

Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:09 am

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:08 pm
Actually, I don't see Biden as being driven by polling data or calculations about the next election. For better or for worse. He seems to be willing to take hits in public opinion for at least the short term to do what he wants to do. When it comes to something like COVID-19 he does not appear to be licking his finger and sticking it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. He appears to be trying to follow the advice of public health professionals.

THE HORROR!!!!

I don't know what drives Biden either than muscle memory and handlers. Seriously...

Don't forget ice cream. He gets a cup of ice cream if he's been a good boy.

HI54UNI wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:07 am I thought this thread was going to be about kalm defending CRT or JSO thinking Trump is bad.

I did too.

89Hen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:49 am

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:08 pm

Actually, I don't see Biden as being driven by polling data or calculations about the next election. For better or for worse. He seems to be willing to take hits in public opinion for at least the short term to do what he wants to do. When it comes to something like COVID-19 he does not appear to be licking his finger and sticking it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. He appears to be trying to follow the advice of public health professionals.

THE HORROR!!!!

That you think he has any clue as to what's going on is precious.

He clearly has plenty of clue. What he's doing with respect to COVID-19 is following the science. That's what's going on. There is not, and never has been, anything to this idea that Biden is cognitively challenged right now. He could be at any time because he is at an advanced age. But so far there is no real evidence of it.

Same with the Climate Change issue. He is going with what the consensus of those in Climate Science is. He is actually governing in a way more "intelligent" way than Trump ever did.

Except for the Afghanistan thing. That one was bad. But it's also another illustration of the fact that he's not governing by sticking his finger in the air to check the wind direction. As a general matter, that's good. It's good even if the specific decision in that case is one I don't agree with.

OK John. Dismiss the border crisis, energy dependence, record inflation and that more people have died of Covid in 2021 than 2020, yet we hear Trump has blood on his hands for Covid deaths but not Biden. You've become unbearable to even have a discussion with.

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:30 am OK John. Dismiss the border crisis, energy dependence, record inflation and that more people have died of Covid in 2021 than 2020, yet we hear Trump has blood on his hands for Covid deaths but not Biden. You've become unbearable to even have a discussion with.

He doesn't have discussions, except with the voices in his head.

HI54UNI wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:07 am I thought this thread was going to be about kalm defending CRT or JSO thinking Trump is bad.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:15 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:56 am

Certainly part of the problem with COVID policy is that it's always been impacted by politics, right from the get go. A lot of the initial stuff was impacted by the 2020 elections, and I see no evidence that we've moved away from that.

It would be refreshing if policy and research were based on medicine rather than politics.

....research said it was a hoax by the Democrats. I don't know if its true or not but many people are saying....