January 6 - How much do you care?

[CID1990]

So to summarize the word salad, the mechanism by which a mob in the capitol building would install Trump for four more years is chaos, and “we don’t know” and “we don’t know”. Sounds like a definite 10 to me!

Actually we do know, klam

The answer is - strawmen threats to congresspeople aside- that no mob in the capitol building could have installed Trump for another term.


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I’ll grant you the outcome probably would have been the same. So if you’d like I’ll reduce it to a 9 or 8 or….whatever. But I’m not interested in even getting close to testing it. Similar to civil war, or national divorce, or additional limited political violence I don’t think any of you would be quite so cavalier if it were to actually happen either.

I’ll ask again…what did you vote?

You know what else I’m cavalier about? Things that I would be super concerned about if they actually did happen?

Alien invasion
Detroit winning the Super Bowl
North Korea invading Alabama
Monkeys flying out of my butt
JSO stepping on a crack
Me dying of ovarian cancer

Are you picking up the common thread here?

BTW I voted a 4 and I call BS on you missing it because it is just above one of my 4 goofball D&D references that you catalogued on your abacus. Go back and read about it.


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[kalm]

I’ll grant you the outcome probably would have been the same. So if you’d like I’ll reduce it to a 9 or 8 or….whatever. But I’m not interested in even getting close to testing it. Similar to civil war, or national divorce, or additional limited political violence I don’t think any of you would be quite so cavalier if it were to actually happen either.

I’ll ask again…what did you vote?

You know what else I’m cavalier about? Things that I would be super concerned about if they actually did happen?

Alien invasion
Detroit winning the Super Bowl
North Korea invading Alabama
Monkeys flying out of my butt
JSO stepping on a crack
Me dying of ovarian cancer

Are you picking up the common thread here?

BTW I voted a 4 and I call BS on you missing it because it is just above one of my 4 goofball D&D references that you catalogued on your abacus. Go back and read about it.


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You forgot marxist takeover.

[AZGrizFan]

You know what else I’m cavalier about? Things that I would be super concerned about if they actually did happen?

Alien invasion
Detroit winning the Super Bowl
North Korea invading Alabama
Monkeys flying out of my butt
JSO stepping on a crack
Me dying of ovarian cancer

Are you picking up the common thread here?

BTW I voted a 4 and I call BS on you missing it because it is just above one of my 4 goofball D&D references that you catalogued on your abacus. Go back and read about it.


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You forgot marxist takeover.

Ironically something that’s many many many times more likely than Jan 6 being anything of substance or anything on CID’s list.

[kalm]

You forgot marxist takeover.

Ironically something that’s many many many times more likely than Jan 6 being anything of substance or anything on CID’s list.

I know, right?

[houndawg]

Was reading something in the AP about Senator Mike Rounds (SD) spat with Trump that called January 6 "the deadliest domestic attack on Congress in the nation’s history" and it go me wondering about other attacks. Here are two, one of which has been mentioned.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/history-violent-attacks-capitol-180976704/

1954: Puerto Rican nationalists open fire
...
Around 2:30 p.m., Lebrón shouted her support for Puerto Rican independence, and the group shot indiscriminately at lawmakers from the gallery. They managed to wound five Congressmen before being overtaken by visitors and police officers, per a House of Representatives oral history of the event.

1983: Far-left extremists bomb the Senate Chamber
...
M19 (May 19th Communist Organization) detonated a bomb in the Capitol’s north wing, blowing a hole through a wall and knocking the Senate majority leader’s office door off its hinges. Luckily, the area was already deserted and nobody was harmed, but the attack resulted in $250,000 wo

Deadliest is hyperbole (or histrionics for Kalm) - one person died.

Does an attack on Congress have to be at the Capitol? There were no casualties from the Congressional Baseball attack but four people were shot including the House Majority Whip.

What kind of sentences were handed out in the events of which you speak? Use them as a guide for sentencing anybody convicted of sedition.

[houndawg]

You forgot marxist takeover.

Ironically something that’s many many many times more likely than Jan 6 being anything of substance or anything on CID’s list.

Bullshit. Bernie can't even get nominated by the lefty party, where are all these Marxists?

[UNI88]

Was reading something in the AP about Senator Mike Rounds (SD) spat with Trump that called January 6 "the deadliest domestic attack on Congress in the nation’s history" and it go me wondering about other attacks. Here are two, one of which has been mentioned.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/history-violent-attacks-capitol-180976704/

Deadliest is hyperbole (or histrionics for Kalm) - one person died.

Does an attack on Congress have to be at the Capitol? There were no casualties from the Congressional Baseball attack but four people were shot including the House Majority Whip.

What kind of sentences were handed out in the events of which you speak? Use them as a guide for sentencing anybody convicted of sedition.

I don't know and I'm fine with throwing the book at these rioters. Just throw the same book at the AnTiFa/BLM rioters, they're guilty of similar crimes.

[LeadBolt]

I’m for equality under the law and having the punishment fit the crime.

Charge Jan 6 folks with criminal trespass, and destruction of property.

Charge Antifa and BLM with destroying property, murder, insurrection, etc.

Convict appropriately.


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[UNI88]

I’m for equality under the law and having the punishment fit the crime.

Charge Jan 6 folks with criminal trespass, and destruction of property.

Charge Antifa and BLM with destroying property, murder, insurrection, etc.

Convict appropriately.

What the Jan 6 folks actually did might have been just criminal trespass and destruction of property but IMO their intent was more significant. They wanted to overturn the election. It was just as much of an insurrection as the AnTiFa/BLM riots. Just because they were incompetent and had almost no chance of succeeding doesn't change their intent.

[Winterborn]

I’m for equality under the law and having the punishment fit the crime.

Charge Jan 6 folks with criminal trespass, and destruction of property.

Charge Antifa and BLM with destroying property, murder, insurrection, etc.

Convict appropriately.

What the Jan 6 folks actually did might have been just criminal trespass and destruction of property but IMO their intent was more significant. They wanted to overturn the election. It was just as much of an insurrection as the AnTiFa/BLM riots. Just because they were incompetent and had almost no chance of succeeding doesn't change their intent.

Agree.

But it comes down to what can be proven in a court of law. Being incompetent/idiot isn't illegal.

[Ivytalk]

Ironically something that’s many many many times more likely than Jan 6 being anything of substance or anything on CID’s list.

Bullshit. Bernie can't even get nominated by the lefty party, where are all these Marxists?

Apparently, living in Egypt with you.

[UNI88]

What the Jan 6 folks actually did might have been just criminal trespass and destruction of property but IMO their intent was more significant. They wanted to overturn the election. It was just as much of an insurrection as the AnTiFa/BLM riots. Just because they were incompetent and had almost no chance of succeeding doesn't change their intent.

Agree.

But it comes down to what can be proven in a court of law. Being incompetent/idiot isn't illegal.

I posted that because I get tired of the "what they did was wrong but what the other side did was worse" arguments. All of it was wrong, they might not be able to prove it but all of it was seditious. Charge all of them to the fullest extent possible. No favorites, no going easy on a particular group because someone in power feels that they had a legitimate gripe. We are a nation of laws and those laws should be applied equally.

[Winterborn]

Agree.

But it comes down to what can be proven in a court of law. Being incompetent/idiot isn't illegal.

I posted that because I get tired of the "what they did was wrong but what the other side did was worse" arguments. All of it was wrong, they might not be able to prove it but all of it was seditious. Charge all of them to the fullest extent possible. No favorites, no going easy on a particular group because someone in power feels that they had a legitimate gripe. We are a nation of laws and those laws should be applied equally.

Fully agree.

The "what they did was wrong but what the other side did was worse" is an exercise in justification by those folks due to the fact they want to be perceived in a better light (or make themselves feel better if only subconsciously).

I also get tired of those same arguments and the playing of favorites by people/media.

[BDKJMU]

Agree.

But it comes down to what can be proven in a court of law. Being incompetent/idiot isn't illegal.

I posted that because I get tired of the "what they did was wrong but what the other side did was worse" arguments. All of it was wrong, they might not be able to prove it but all of it was seditious. Charge all of them to the fullest extent possible. No favorites, no going easy on a particular group because someone in power feels that they had a legitimate gripe. We are a nation of laws and those laws should be applied equally.

But they aren’t being applied equally, and they won’t be applied equally.

[AZGrizFan]

I posted that because I get tired of the "what they did was wrong but what the other side did was worse" arguments. All of it was wrong, they might not be able to prove it but all of it was seditious. Charge all of them to the fullest extent possible. No favorites, no going easy on a particular group because someone in power feels that they had a legitimate gripe. We are a nation of laws and those laws should be applied equally.

But they aren’t being applied equally, and they won’t be applied equally.

Which is my primary issue. Not that they be held accountable, but that only ONE side is being held accountable.

[UNI88]

I posted that because I get tired of the "what they did was wrong but what the other side did was worse" arguments. All of it was wrong, they might not be able to prove it but all of it was seditious. Charge all of them to the fullest extent possible. No favorites, no going easy on a particular group because someone in power feels that they had a legitimate gripe. We are a nation of laws and those laws should be applied equally.

But they aren’t being applied equally, and they won’t be applied equally.

No, they aren't and they likely won't be. Bias in our laws and how they're applied is wrong regardless of the reason. Whether it's ideology, skin color or something else.

[Winterborn]

But they aren’t being applied equally, and they won’t be applied equally.

No, they aren't and they likely won't be. Bias in our laws and how they're applied is wrong regardless of the reason. Whether it's ideology, skin color or something else.

There is a difference in how they are being reported/promoted but that does not translate into how the cases are tried. Good example is Rittenhouse.

There are DA's that are bypassing this by choosing not to prosecute but that is a different story.

[BDKJMU]

But they aren’t being applied equally, and they won’t be applied equally.

Which is my primary issue. Not that they be held accountable, but that only ONE side is being held accountable.

Yep, I know you stated the same on the 2020 Election thread..

[AZGrizFan]

No, they aren't and they likely won't be. Bias in our laws and how they're applied is wrong regardless of the reason. Whether it's ideology, skin color or something else.

There is a difference in how they are being reported/promoted but that does not translate into how the cases are tried. Good example is Rittenhouse.

There are DA's that are bypassing this by choosing not to prosecute but that is a different story.

The issues is, does a case ever GET to the point of being tried. Is an arrest even made? There should be 3-4,000 Antifa punks sitting in jail right now, but exactly how many are there? Meanwhile, the FBI turned over every fucking rock in the country to find anyone even remotely related to the “insurrection” and get them charged.

[LeadBolt]

I’m for equality under the law and having the punishment fit the crime.

Charge Jan 6 folks with criminal trespass, and destruction of property.

Charge Antifa and BLM with destroying property, murder, insurrection, etc.

Convict appropriately.

What the Jan 6 folks actually did might have been just criminal trespass and destruction of property but IMO their intent was more significant. They wanted to overturn the election. It was just as much of an insurrection as the AnTiFa/BLM riots. Just because they were incompetent and had almost no chance of succeeding doesn't change their intent.

If you want to be the thought police go ahead.

I’m for punishment of actions, primarily with intent being secondary.

If the Jan 6 folks had stayed and declared an autonomous zone, I would charge them with insurrection as well.


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[CID1990]

If these guys were communicating before Jan 6 and caching weapons then Im pretty sure they made their intentions clear.

Let’s see what the FBI has on them. Yhen we can parse out how a conspiracy is or inst s conspiracy


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[UNI88]

What the Jan 6 folks actually did might have been just criminal trespass and destruction of property but IMO their intent was more significant. They wanted to overturn the election. It was just as much of an insurrection as the AnTiFa/BLM riots. Just because they were incompetent and had almost no chance of succeeding doesn't change their intent.

If you want to be the thought police go ahead.

I’m for punishment of actions, primarily with intent being secondary.

If the Jan 6 folks had stayed and declared an autonomous zone, I would charge them with insurrection as well.

Then how is AnTiFa/BLM insurrection? They didn't even make it on to government property in most cases. Yes, they destroyed property but how do you know it was insurrection if you don't infer intent by being thought police?

And murder? How people were murdered by AnTiFa/BLM? Aaron Danielson and who else? There were victims of violence on both sides of those "protests".

Let's apply the same standard to both groups of so-called protesters.

[Ivytalk]

If you want to be the thought police go ahead.

I’m for punishment of actions, primarily with intent being secondary.

If the Jan 6 folks had stayed and declared an autonomous zone, I would charge them with insurrection as well.

Then how is AnTiFa/BLM insurrection? They didn't even make it on to government property in most cases. Yes, they destroyed property but how do you know it was insurrection if you don't infer intent by being thought police?

And murder? How people were murdered by AnTiFa/BLM? Aaron Danielson and who else? There were victims of violence on both sides of those "protests".

Let's apply the same standard to both groups of so-called protesters.

88, I think you were never a team captain in elementary school kickball, because you could never pick a side.

[Winterborn]

Then how is AnTiFa/BLM insurrection? They didn't even make it on to government property in most cases. Yes, they destroyed property but how do you know it was insurrection if you don't infer intent by being thought police?

And murder? How people were murdered by AnTiFa/BLM? Aaron Danielson and who else? There were victims of violence on both sides of those "protests".

Let's apply the same standard to both groups of so-called protesters.

88, I think you were never a team captain in elementary school kickball, because you could never pick a side.

I'm just sittin' on a fence
You can say I got no sense
Trying to make up my mind
Really is too horrifying
So I'm sittin on a fence

[Winterborn]

There is a difference in how they are being reported/promoted but that does not translate into how the cases are tried. Good example is Rittenhouse.

There are DA's that are bypassing this by choosing not to prosecute but that is a different story.

The issues is, does a case ever GET to the point of being tried. Is an arrest even made? There should be 3-4,000 Antifa punks sitting in jail right now, but exactly how many are there? Meanwhile, the FBI turned over every fucking rock in the country to find anyone even remotely related to the “insurrection” and get them charged.

As Paul Harvey used to say, "Now for the rest of the story."

And what you mentioned is a problem because it is creating a perception that certain actions are permissible.