AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 7:27 am
GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 7:08 am
I at least agree with AZ as far as saying both 1/6 and what the Obama administration did to assist in discrediting the incoming Trump administration aren't inseparable. Both are/were pretty nefarious. We've literally never had an outgoing administration attempt to discredit and delegitimize the incoming administration, and certainly nothing as clear and obvious as what the Obama administration did. They basically said, here's all this information, we have no basis to know if any of it is true (and a good chunk of it wasn't), but if any of its true then we need to investigate and impeach and get rid of them "to save democracy" and all of that, because we really think they cheated. That's never happened before (other than Gore dragging on for a month before begrudgingly giving up, although that did lead to 8 years of Dem's claiming Bush's presidency was illegitimate, or maybe the 1876 Electoral Commission). But we've never had a straight up election where one side won, and the other side basically went scorched earth to hobble the incoming administration.
1/6 was bad. Teeing up investigations on a rival, incoming administration based on made up intelligence because you didn't like the other side is at least equally as bad.
1/6 was only “equally as bad” if you buy into the narrative that there was a wide-scale, concerted, organized effort on the part of white, racist “insurrectionists” to take down the government on 1/6. There is literally ZERO evidence to that effect. A few crackpots, blending into an otherwise very peaceful crowd, took things a little too far.
Obama’s administration involvement in the entire Russian collusion hoax is 10x worse. Maybe 100x worse.
Well, the crowd at the rally was peaceful. The crowd at the Capitol was not very peaceful at all. And if by "a few" you mean several hundred, then yes, it was just "a few".
Trump clearly wanted to void the election and retain power. That's pretty bad. Luckily he wasn't very skilled at that and he didn't have a lot of support to do that.
But I do agree, Obama's administration's actions, shockingly not even done all that discreetly, were probably worse. Even worse, you still have apologists like kalmy, knowing what we know now, brushing it off like it doesn't even merit discussion. The Washington Post had it wrong, democracy doesn't die in darkness, it dies when supposedly rational people let partisan fervor get in the way of reasonably assessing political actions.