January 6 - How much do you care?

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January 6 - How much do you care?

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Re: January 6 - How much do you care?

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kalm wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:43 pm Additional speculation on the right’s reaction and what to expect



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1557 ... &fs=e&s=cl
Even if Trump had docs that had been previously classified, they were no longer classified if he had ordered them declassified while still POTUS..
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ything-an/
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:35 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:14 pm ahhhh. that's why durham has had such a hard time coming up with anything. trump accidentally kept all the incriminating evidence of #Spygate locked in a safe in mar lago. whew
Ha. This is actually old news. John Solomon has been waiting for the declassification for around 19 months now.

Once again, I have no idea if this is true, but would line up with Sperry's tweet and also what Kash Patel was saying. Kash Patel only said the documents Trump had were the ones he ordered declassified.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:54 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:19 am
Fact check: False

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did ... id-1732495
Yep, more Fake News from the left. Like Trump in 2018 was going to appoint a fed judge who'd been an Obama donor. :roll:
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BDKJMU wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:35 am To paraphrase BDK, "but Hillary".
Well, besides the "but Hillary" who actually mishandled classified docs, even if Trump had docs that had been previously classified, they were no longer classified if he had ordered them declassified while still POTUS..
Were they officially declassified or in the process of being declassified?

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The democrat Obama donating Judge John Reinhart,
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who trashed Trump on Facebook, managed to recuse himself in the Trump-Clinton lawsuit, but signed the warrant despite his obivious bias.
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/08 ... it-n610212
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A man isn’t a man
A woman isn’t a woman
A baby isn’t a baby
A recession isn’t a recession.
Now the left is claiming a raid isn’t a raid… :dunce:
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BDKJMU wrote:A man isn’t a man
A woman isn’t a woman
A baby isn’t a baby
A recession isn’t a recession.
Now the left is claiming a raid isn’t a raid… :dunce:
Kind of like the right claiming January 6 wasn't an insurrection. ;)

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UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:20 pm
BDKJMU wrote:A man isn’t a man
A woman isn’t a woman
A baby isn’t a baby
A recession isn’t a recession.
Now the left is claiming a raid isn’t a raid… :dunce:
Kind of like the right claiming January 6 wasn't an insurrection. ;)

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Nope. You can add that to the long list of things the left has tried to redefine in the last couple of years..
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:00 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Well, besides the "but Hillary" who actually mishandled classified docs, even if Trump had docs that had been previously classified, they were no longer classified if he had ordered them declassified while still POTUS..
Were they officially declassified or in the process of being declassified?

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It's a little convoluted and I haven't followed it too closely but I'd have to say Trump was in the clear, especially considering he was cooperating with the archivists and Ratcliffe said he was good.

From what I do know, the documents went through a first pass declassification and were supposed to be released, then someone said they needed more redactions. I'm also sure I've jumbled some facts here, but the gist is correct.

Here's a link of an official letter to the AG backing up what I said.

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/f ... 0.2021.pdf
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BDKJMU wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:20 pm Kind of like the right claiming January 6 wasn't an insurrection. ;)

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Nope. You can add that to the long list of things the left has tried to redefine in the last couple of years..
And I should take your word as a right-wing extremist that January 6 wasn't an utterly inept attempt at an insurrection?

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Pennsylvania legislators getting subpoenaed over alt elector Cheney and Parry.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2022/08/f ... s-say.html
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:52 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Nope. You can add that to the long list of things the left has tried to redefine in the last couple of years..
And I should take your word as a right-wing extremist that January 6 wasn't an utterly inept attempt at an insurrection?

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Yes, because one is opinion. All the others are science. Which is comical, coming from the party that keeps insisting “follow the science”.
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Got the recap on Trump from Conservative Treehouse.

If you remember, Trump wanted to declassify documents he said would exonerate him from Russia collusion (Spygate). He was told by Rosenstein that if he did that, he would be obstructing the Mueller investigation, so he held off.

After Mueller came up empty, Trump then wanted to declassify the documents again, but was now told there was another active investigation (Durham) that was preventing the task.

Lastly, if you remember, Trump gave Barr the ability to declassify, so as to remove Trump from the equation, but Barr made Durham special counsel.

Seems the establishment keeps using the whole "active investigation" to prevent the documents from coming to light.

Good review with screenshots of Trump's tweets here. Also talks about the declassification process which is obviously more that just Trump saying declassify.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/bl ... ore-236402
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:12 am Got the recap on Trump from Conservative Treehouse.

If you remember, Trump wanted to declassify documents he said would exonerate him from Russia collusion (Spygate). He was told by Rosenstein that if he did that, he would be obstructing the Mueller investigation, so he held off.

After Mueller came up empty, Trump then wanted to declassify the documents again, but was now told there was another active investigation (Durham) that was preventing the task.

Lastly, if you remember, Trump gave Barr the ability to declassify, so as to remove Trump from the equation, but Barr made Durham special counsel.

Seems the establishment keeps using the whole "active investigation" to prevent the documents from coming to light.

Good review with screenshots of Trump's tweets here. Also talks about the declassification process which is obviously more that just Trump saying declassify.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/bl ... ore-236402
In other words, he’ll be under “active investigation” til the day he dies, simply to keep the documents from being released. Perfect.
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One could also argue that the raid was timed to coincide with:

* 1 year anniversary of the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle
* approval of bill hiring 87,000 new armed IRS agents
* announcement that inflation remains at 9.1%
* Pelosi’s debacle in Taiwan (along with her son)

Because those things are now being roundly ignored by MSM right now as they salivate about the possibility of Trump going to prison.

The tail continues to wag the dog.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:15 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:12 am Got the recap on Trump from Conservative Treehouse.

If you remember, Trump wanted to declassify documents he said would exonerate him from Russia collusion (Spygate). He was told by Rosenstein that if he did that, he would be obstructing the Mueller investigation, so he held off.

After Mueller came up empty, Trump then wanted to declassify the documents again, but was now told there was another active investigation (Durham) that was preventing the task.

Lastly, if you remember, Trump gave Barr the ability to declassify, so as to remove Trump from the equation, but Barr made Durham special counsel.

Seems the establishment keeps using the whole "active investigation" to prevent the documents from coming to light.

Good review with screenshots of Trump's tweets here. Also talks about the declassification process which is obviously more that just Trump saying declassify.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/bl ... ore-236402
In other words, he’ll be under “active investigation” til the day he dies, simply to keep the documents from being released. Perfect.
Yes. The FBI must really be worried about what those documents show. Remember there was a whole binder of documents Trump wanted declassified. Suppose they were looking for the binder?
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Maybe if trump didn't keep the documents in a safe in his closet, the declassification process could have gone faster.

"What's the status of the declassification of these documents???"

"Sir, they are missing. Would you please return them?"

"Nooooo"

"What's the status of the declassification of these documents???"
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:12 am Got the recap on Trump from Conservative Treehouse.

If you remember, Trump wanted to declassify documents he said would exonerate him from Russia collusion (Spygate). He was told by Rosenstein that if he did that, he would be obstructing the Mueller investigation, so he held off.

After Mueller came up empty, Trump then wanted to declassify the documents again, but was now told there was another active investigation (Durham) that was preventing the task.

Lastly, if you remember, Trump gave Barr the ability to declassify, so as to remove Trump from the equation, but Barr made Durham special counsel.

Seems the establishment keeps using the whole "active investigation" to prevent the documents from coming to light.

Good review with screenshots of Trump's tweets here. Also talks about the declassification process which is obviously more that just Trump saying declassify.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/bl ... ore-236402
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:52 am Maybe if trump didn't keep the documents in a safe in his closet, the declassification process could have gone faster.

"What's the status of the declassification of these documents???"

"Sir, they are missing. Would you please return them?"

"Nooooo"

"What's the status of the declassification of these documents???"
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Oh, yeah. I’m certain of it. I’m just certain the FBI was just itching to declassify those documents. :lol: :lol:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:08 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:52 pm And I should take your word as a right-wing extremist that January 6 wasn't an utterly inept attempt at an insurrection?

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Yes, because one is opinion. All the others are science. Which is comical, coming from the party that keeps insisting “follow the science”.
So I should favor BDK's extremist opinion of January 6 over Jelly's extremist opinion? :suspicious:

IMO, January 6 was an attempted insurrection, albeit an extremely inept and almost comical one (and thus very reflective of its instigator, trump). trump is a narcissistic, egomanical sociopath who I trust about as far as I could throw his fat, impotent ass. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:05 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:12 am Got the recap on Trump from Conservative Treehouse.

If you remember, Trump wanted to declassify documents he said would exonerate him from Russia collusion (Spygate). He was told by Rosenstein that if he did that, he would be obstructing the Mueller investigation, so he held off.

After Mueller came up empty, Trump then wanted to declassify the documents again, but was now told there was another active investigation (Durham) that was preventing the task.

Lastly, if you remember, Trump gave Barr the ability to declassify, so as to remove Trump from the equation, but Barr made Durham special counsel.

Seems the establishment keeps using the whole "active investigation" to prevent the documents from coming to light.

Good review with screenshots of Trump's tweets here. Also talks about the declassification process which is obviously more that just Trump saying declassify.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/bl ... ore-236402
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Besides, I provided links to real government documents. Done deal and shows you are in TDS denial. :kisswink:
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If CID didn't rage quit because of the Ukraine thread, he definitely would have around about now. :lol:
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:21 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:05 am

I believe trump and the Conservative Treehouse about as much as I believe the establishment and the MSM.
You've never read an article from Conservative Treehouse, have you? They aren't so much about Dems vs Reps as they point out the Uniparty and how they are against those not in the club.

Besides, I provided links to real government documents. Done deal and shows you are in TDS denial. :kisswink:
That site hasn't been correct a single time that you have used them as a reference. They are extremely partisan and have no interest in the truth. They pretty much set the bar for being partisan
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bobbythekidd wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:56 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:21 am

You've never read an article from Conservative Treehouse, have you? They aren't so much about Dems vs Reps as they point out the Uniparty and how they are against those not in the club.

Besides, I provided links to real government documents. Done deal and shows you are in TDS denial. :kisswink:
That site hasn't been correct a single time that you have used them as a reference. They are extremely partisan and have no interest in the truth. They pretty much set the bar for being partisan
They're wrong on the history of Trump wanting to declassify Spygate documents? :lol: Me thinks you are trolling.

The site also admits when they get it wrong. Something you don't see very often.

Let's hear your version of what happened.
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