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kalm wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:53 am The Republican position on abortion in a nutshell…

Again, no different that the Donk position on the integrity of our elections and the 'threat to democracy'. :coffee:
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Baldy wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:27 am
kalm wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:53 am The Republican position on abortion in a nutshell…

Again, no different that the Donk position on the integrity of our elections and the 'threat to democracy'. :coffee:
How does she feel about trump? Based on his endorsements, he values loyalty over winning/control of the Senate.
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Baldy wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:27 am
kalm wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:53 am The Republican position on abortion in a nutshell…

Again, no different that the Donk position on the integrity of our elections and the 'threat to democracy'. :coffee:
Yeah…anyways…it’s not really about abortion is it?
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kalm wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:29 pm
Baldy wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:27 am
Again, no different that the Donk position on the integrity of our elections and the 'threat to democracy'. :coffee:
Yeah…anyways…it’s not really about abortion is it?
Just like its not really about integrity or being a threat to democracy.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:21 am
Think about what that represents.
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kalm wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:49 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:21 am
Think about what that represents.
The left trying to Kavanaugh Walker right before an election.
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:37 am
kalm wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:49 pm

Think about what that represents.
The left trying to Kavanaugh Walker right before an election.
Abortion and character is really not all that important to donors. Not that ever really was.
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kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:16 am
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:37 am
The left trying to Kavanaugh Walker right before an election.
Abortion and character is really not all that important to donors or most voters. Not that ever really was.
FYP

Who lacks character?
- Walker if it's true?
- The Left if it isn't?
- The extremists on either side who automatically believe one side without question?
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:54 am
kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:16 am

Abortion and character is really not all that important to donors or most voters. Not that ever really was.
FYP

Who lacks character?
- Walker if it's true?
- The Left if it isn't?
- The extremists on either side who automatically believe one side without question?
Notice I wasn’t partisan in my post. The topic just happens to be about Walker, a Republican. Moderate Dem donors who contributed to Hillary or Gavin Newsome or Pelosi can be considered guilty of the same.

Is there a safe place “both sides do it” guys can go to in challenging times such as these? :)
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kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:49 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:54 am
FYP

Who lacks character?
- Walker if it's true?
- The Left if it isn't?
- The extremists on either side who automatically believe one side without question?
Notice I wasn’t partisan in my post. The topic just happens to be about Walker, a Republican. Moderate Dem donors who contributed to Hillary or Gavin Newsome or Pelosi can be considered guilty of the same.

Is there a safe place “both sides do it” guys can go to in challenging times such as these? :)
It's not just Moderate Dem donors. You're attempting to limit the discussion to focus attention on moderate donors when extremist voters are just as guilty of overlooking their sides' skeletons while complaining about the other sides. People who support Warren and Bernie are hypocrites just like people who support Walker.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:20 am
kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:49 am

Notice I wasn’t partisan in my post. The topic just happens to be about Walker, a Republican. Moderate Dem donors who contributed to Hillary or Gavin Newsome or Pelosi can be considered guilty of the same.

Is there a safe place “both sides do it” guys can go to in challenging times such as these? :)
It's not just Moderate Dem donors. You're attempting to limit the discussion to focus attention on moderate donors when extremist voters are just as guilty of overlooking their sides' skeletons while complaining about the other sides. People who support Warren and Bernie are hypocrites just like people who support Walker.
It’s funny the examples of extremist are Bernie and Warren. :lol: especially in light of the abortion issue. :)

They’d both be moderates in Europe. But to American “moderates” they’re the evil love child of Camille Paglia and Che. ;)
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kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:54 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:20 am
It's not just Moderate Dem donors. You're attempting to limit the discussion to focus attention on moderate donors when extremist voters are just as guilty of overlooking their sides' skeletons while complaining about the other sides. People who support Warren and Bernie are hypocrites just like people who support Walker.
It’s funny the examples of extremist are Bernie and Warren. :lol: especially in light of the abortion issue. :)

They’d both be moderates in Europe. But to American “moderates” they’re the evil love child of Camille Paglia and Che. ;)
Progressives give Warren a pass for lying about her heritage because winning is a greater virtue than character to them too. Bernie is a hypocrite who has made millions capitalizing on the notoriety that he's gained as an elected official while criticizing those who made millions creating and producing products and services that actually improve lives. The people who support them are either hypocrites or fools who don't see through their BS.

We don't live in Europe. Even if we did, Bernie and Warren want the government to control the means of production & distribution and that is not a "moderate" European perspective. Nordic and other European countries are not socialist, they have capitalist markets that fund strong social programs. Bernie and Warren don't trust private enterprise and think government can do a better job despite mountains of evidence that they're wrong. Their supporters are just as pathetically delusional as trump supporters.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:09 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:54 am

It’s funny the examples of extremist are Bernie and Warren. :lol: especially in light of the abortion issue. :)

They’d both be moderates in Europe. But to American “moderates” they’re the evil love child of Camille Paglia and Che. ;)
Progressives give Warren a pass for lying about her heritage because winning is a greater virtue than character to them too. Bernie is a hypocrite who has made millions capitalizing on the notoriety that he's gained as an elected official while criticizing those who made millions creating and producing products and services that actually improve lives. The people who support them are either hypocrites or fools who don't see through their BS.

We don't live in Europe. Even if we did, Bernie and Warren want the government to control the means of production & distribution and that is not a "moderate" European perspective. Nordic and other European countries are not socialist, they have capitalist markets that fund strong social programs. Bernie and Warren don't trust private enterprise and think government can do a better job despite mountains of evidence that they're wrong. Their supporters are just as pathetically delusional as trump supporters.
Show me where in their own words either have advocated for complete government control of the means of production and distribution.

We have a mixed economy and a large population. The argument should be the degree of socialized programs. Every large country has them including ours which many Republicans take full and willing advantage of. Big oil? Bunch of socialists. Big Ag? Commies.

There has to be right wing capitalist safe place out there for you somewhere. Or at least a fainting couch. ;)
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kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:54 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:20 am

It's not just Moderate Dem donors. You're attempting to limit the discussion to focus attention on moderate donors when extremist voters are just as guilty of overlooking their sides' skeletons while complaining about the other sides. People who support Warren and Bernie are hypocrites just like people who support Walker.
It’s funny the examples of extremist are Bernie and Warren. :lol: especially in light of the abortion issue. :)

They’d both be moderates in Europe. But to American “moderates” they’re the evil love child of Camille Paglia and Che. ;)
They are extremists.

This is America, not Europe. If we wanted to be as fucked up as Europe, we’d have stayed a colony.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:57 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:54 am

It’s funny the examples of extremist are Bernie and Warren. :lol: especially in light of the abortion issue. :)

They’d both be moderates in Europe. But to American “moderates” they’re the evil love child of Camille Paglia and Che. ;)
They are extremists.

This is America, not Europe. If we wanted to be as fucked up as Europe, we’d have stayed a colony.
Are you sure?

More conservative Republican socialists…

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kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:00 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:57 pm

They are extremists.

This is America, not Europe. If we wanted to be as fucked up as Europe, we’d have stayed a colony.
Are you sure?

More conservative Republican socialists…

Collecting tax dollars, and then doling it back out in the form of government funded projects, is nothing even remotely close to “socialism”.

Try harder.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:06 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:00 pm

Are you sure?

More conservative Republican socialists…

Collecting tax dollars, and then doling it back out in the form of government funded projects, is nothing even remotely close to “socialism”.

Try harder.
Tell that to the socialist conservative Republican legislators who labeled it as such.
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kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:06 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:06 pm

Collecting tax dollars, and then doling it back out in the form of government funded projects, is nothing even remotely close to “socialism”.

Try harder.
Tell that to the socialist conservative Republican legislators who labeled it as such.
well I can't help it if they don't understand the concept either.
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kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:37 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:09 pm
Progressives give Warren a pass for lying about her heritage because winning is a greater virtue than character to them too. Bernie is a hypocrite who has made millions capitalizing on the notoriety that he's gained as an elected official while criticizing those who made millions creating and producing products and services that actually improve lives. The people who support them are either hypocrites or fools who don't see through their BS.

We don't live in Europe. Even if we did, Bernie and Warren want the government to control the means of production & distribution and that is not a "moderate" European perspective. Nordic and other European countries are not socialist, they have capitalist markets that fund strong social programs. Bernie and Warren don't trust private enterprise and think government can do a better job despite mountains of evidence that they're wrong. Their supporters are just as pathetically delusional as trump supporters.
Show me where in their own words either have advocated for complete government control of the means of production and distribution.

We have a mixed economy and a large population. The argument should be the degree of socialized programs. Every large country has them including ours which many Republicans take full and willing advantage of. Big oil? Bunch of socialists. Big Ag? Commies.

There has to be right wing capitalist safe place out there for you somewhere. Or at least a fainting couch. ;)
Bernie is a socialist. It's literally in the name of his ideological belief. Warren is a little more subtle but the clues/proof that she is a socialist are significantly stronger than the clues/proof that trump is a fascist but you'll regurgitate that argument every chance you get.

I am willing to sit down and debate what social welfare programs we should have, how much we should spend on them and how long they should be available.

I don't consider myself right wing and I don't need a safe place or a fainting couch. You're just upset that you've lost all claim to your post-partisan title.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:43 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:37 pm

Show me where in their own words either have advocated for complete government control of the means of production and distribution.

We have a mixed economy and a large population. The argument should be the degree of socialized programs. Every large country has them including ours which many Republicans take full and willing advantage of. Big oil? Bunch of socialists. Big Ag? Commies.

There has to be right wing capitalist safe place out there for you somewhere. Or at least a fainting couch. ;)
Bernie is a socialist. It's literally in the name of his ideological belief. Warren is a little more subtle but the clues/proof that she is a socialist are significantly stronger than the clues/proof that trump is a fascist but you'll regurgitate that argument every chance you get.

I am willing to sit down and debate what social welfare programs we should have, how much we should spend on them and how long they should be available.

I don't consider myself right wing and I don't need a safe place or a fainting couch. You're just upset that you've lost all claim to your post-partisan title.
Social programs <> socialism
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kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:00 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:57 pm

They are extremists.

This is America, not Europe. If we wanted to be as fucked up as Europe, we’d have stayed a colony.
Are you sure?

More conservative Republican socialists…

Well the majority of the ‘infrastructure’ bill wasn’t about infrastructure.
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houndawg wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:27 pm
SDHornet wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:57 pm

Just say late night ballot dumps. We all know what coming. Conks need to up their "ballot harvesting" game if they ever want to win tight elections. :coffee:


ain't no loser like a sore loser... :roll:
nah conks just need to get better at playing by their rules. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:09 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:54 am

It’s funny the examples of extremist are Bernie and Warren. :lol: especially in light of the abortion issue. :)

They’d both be moderates in Europe. But to American “moderates” they’re the evil love child of Camille Paglia and Che. ;)
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We don't live in Europe. Even if we did, Bernie and Warren want the government to control the means of production & distribution and that is not a "moderate" European perspective. Nordic and other European countries are not socialist, they have capitalist markets that fund strong social programs. Bernie and Warren don't trust private enterprise and think government can do a better job despite mountains of evidence that they're wrong. Their supporters are just as pathetically delusional as trump supporters.
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