Poland's Migs

[houndawg]

What Is going on with the jet transfer? Why can't Poland give their jets directly to Ukraine? And how will the guy behind the Stinger know if the Mig he's shooting at is friend or foe?

[93henfan]

Biden
Biden
Paint them pink

[CAA Flagship]

I'm guessing that Poland doesn't want to be the next target for Russia. But I'm not sure using a third party will relieve them from the blame game.

Retribution aside, Poland gets a free upgrade to F-16's. #WINNING

[SeattleGriz]

Poland isn't going to provide jets. They called Blinkens bluff and offered to fly them to the US base in Germany where they could be delivered by the US. Some reason we backed down.

Almost like Blinken was yelling at Russia behind Poland's skirt.

[Winterborn]

Poland isn't going to provide jets. They called Blinkens bluff and offered to fly them to the US base in Germany where they could be delivered by the US. Some reason we backed down.

Almost like Blinken was yelling at Russia behind Poland's skirt.

More like:

[93henfan]

For a real answer on the stingers, since I have some experience with them having been co-located with 3rd LAAD Btn for three years at 32 Area, Camp Pendleton, the stinger system has an identify friend or foe interrogator module that pings the aircraft. Friendlies have the correct challenge response. The operator is also well-trained in aircraft profiles, which admittedly doesn't help much when dealing with the same airframe on both sides. The opportunity for friendly fire is certainly ripe. I'm doubting that with the current communications degradation in Ukraine that the proper coding could be relayed to all aircraft and all ground operators. Recipe for disaster.

[Ibanez]

For a real answer on the stingers, since I have some experience with them having been co-located with 3rd LAAD Btn for three years at 32 Area, Camp Pendleton, the stinger system has an identify friend or foe interrogator module that pings the aircraft. Friendlies have the correct challenge response. The operator is also well-trained in aircraft profiles, which admittedly doesn't help much when dealing with the same airframe on both sides. The opportunity for friendly fire is certainly ripe. I'm doubting that with the current communications degradation in Ukraine that the proper coding could be relayed to all aircraft and all ground operators. Recipe for disaster.

I didn't know stingers had that capability - it's like Blue Force Tracker.

[93henfan]

For a real answer on the stingers, since I have some experience with them having been co-located with 3rd LAAD Btn for three years at 32 Area, Camp Pendleton, the stinger system has an identify friend or foe interrogator module that pings the aircraft. Friendlies have the correct challenge response. The operator is also well-trained in aircraft profiles, which admittedly doesn't help much when dealing with the same airframe on both sides. The opportunity for friendly fire is certainly ripe. I'm doubting that with the current communications degradation in Ukraine that the proper coding could be relayed to all aircraft and all ground operators. Recipe for disaster.

I didn't know stingers had that capability - it's like Blue Force Tracker.

We sent teams to train at Red Flag at Nellis regularly, so we didn't kill too many people from the lesser services. I still have my Fun Meter patch from Red Flag.

[AZGrizFan]

For a real answer on the stingers, since I have some experience with them having been co-located with 3rd LAAD Btn for three years at 32 Area, Camp Pendleton, the stinger system has an identify friend or foe interrogator module that pings the aircraft. Friendlies have the correct challenge response. The operator is also well-trained in aircraft profiles, which admittedly doesn't help much when dealing with the same airframe on both sides. The opportunity for friendly fire is certainly ripe. I'm doubting that with the current communications degradation in Ukraine that the proper coding could be relayed to all aircraft and all ground operators. Recipe for disaster.

Same thing the aircraft have when talking with each other…IFF….

[BDKJMU]

How many Ukranian pilots fully trained on the MIG 29 are out there without MIG-29s to fly anyway?

[93henfan]

How many Ukranian pilots fully trained on the MIG 29 are out there without MIG-29s to fly anyway?

I just called Zelenskyy. He said he thinks about 38.

He also said to stop putting two fucking Y's on the end of his name.

[Ibanez]

How many Ukranian pilots fully trained on the MIG 29 are out there without MIG-29s to fly anyway?

I just called Zelenskyy. He said he thinks about 38.

He also said to stop putting two fucking Y's on the end of his name.

I hope you conveyed our prayers...it's the best we have at the moment.

[SuperHornet]

Part of Poland's proposition was that we would "repay" them with used fighters of similar capability. I'm not sure why Biden nixed the deal. It's a no-brainer, IMO....

[93henfan]

Part of Poland's proposition was that we would "repay" them with used fighters of similar capability. I'm not sure why Biden nixed the deal. It's a no-brainer, IMO....

Flying NATO planes into Ukranian airspace is a huge risk. The best workaround would be to fly the planes to the closest airport to the Polish/Ukraine border and let the Ukrainians come in and load them on trucks or trains.

[SuperHornet]

Part of Poland's proposition was that we would "repay" them with used fighters of similar capability. I'm not sure why Biden nixed the deal. It's a no-brainer, IMO....

Flying NATO planes into Ukranian airspace is a huge risk. The best workaround would be to fly the planes to the closest airport to the Polish/Ukraine border and let the Ukrainians come in and load them on trucks or trains.

I could see that. But Poland still has to defend themselves. I could see sending them used F/A-18 A/Bs....

[GannonFan]

Part of Poland's proposition was that we would "repay" them with used fighters of similar capability. I'm not sure why Biden nixed the deal. It's a no-brainer, IMO....

Flying NATO planes into Ukranian airspace is a huge risk. The best workaround would be to fly the planes to the closest airport to the Polish/Ukraine border and let the Ukrainians come in and load them on trucks or trains.

Agreed, you can't fly them into Poland. But, given that we're supposedly trucking in weapons anyway, no reason why you couldn't load these things up and bring them in too. And I'm fine if we don't want to overly advertise what we're doing, but we should've done a better job of communicating that with Poland. Heck, Blinken was on record touting this offer from Poland before the Pentagon got a hold of him and changed the tune. Too sloppy when there's no reason to be this sloppy.

[CID1990]

Part of Poland's proposition was that we would "repay" them with used fighters of similar capability. I'm not sure why Biden nixed the deal. It's a no-brainer, IMO....

Poland is a NATO country. It would be a huge risk, given Putin’s mental state.

Now, if we could get India to give some Fulcrums to Ukraine, that might be different. But that would require creativity way beyond the capability of our current government


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[SDHornet]

Poland isn't going to provide jets. They called Blinkens bluff and offered to fly them to the US base in Germany where they could be delivered by the US. Some reason we backed down.

Almost like Blinken was yelling at Russia behind Poland's skirt.

That was well played by Poland. To me it looked like Blinken was trying to troll Poland into getting NATO involved. Poland has already been burned by the West pretty badly, smart of them to not trust the West in this situation.

[CID1990]

Poland isn't going to provide jets. They called Blinkens bluff and offered to fly them to the US base in Germany where they could be delivered by the US. Some reason we backed down.

Almost like Blinken was yelling at Russia behind Poland's skirt.

That was well played by Poland. To me it looked like Blinken was trying to troll Poland into getting NATO involved. Poland has already been burned by the West pretty badly, smart of them to not trust the West in this situation.

Blinken green lighted the transfer. Biden himself personally killed it

Biden’s own cabinet isnt coordinated with the WH at all


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[SeattleGriz]

That was well played by Poland. To me it looked like Blinken was trying to troll Poland into getting NATO involved. Poland has already been burned by the West pretty badly, smart of them to not trust the West in this situation.

Blinken green lighted the transfer. Biden himself personally killed it

Biden’s own cabinet isnt coordinated with the WH at all


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How did Biden kill it? Seems Poland called the bluff and the US backed down. Maybe they are one and the same, but when you hear "Biden killed it" AFTER Poland called out the US, it seems rather odd to kill something that seemed dead already.

I don't know shit though, that's already been proven in this thread.

[SDHornet]

Blinken green lighted the transfer. Biden himself personally killed it

Biden’s own cabinet isnt coordinated with the WH at all


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How did Biden kill it? Seems Poland called the bluff and the US backed down. Maybe they are one and the same, but when you hear "Biden killed it" AFTER Poland called out the US, it seems rather odd to kill something that seemed dead already.

I don't know shit though, that's already been proven in this thread.

Yeah that's what it looked like to me as well.

[houndawg]

Part of Poland's proposition was that we would "repay" them with used fighters of similar capability. I'm not sure why Biden nixed the deal. It's a no-brainer, IMO....

Poland is a NATO country. It would be a huge risk, given Putin’s mental state.

Now, if we could get India to give some Fulcrums to Ukraine, that might be different. But that would require creativity way beyond the capability of our current government


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If he needs an excuse he'll manufacture one, there's no turning back for him. Playing crazy is about the last card he has to play

[CID1990]

Blinken green lighted the transfer. Biden himself personally killed it

Biden’s own cabinet isnt coordinated with the WH at all


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How did Biden kill it? Seems Poland called the bluff and the US backed down. Maybe they are one and the same, but when you hear "Biden killed it" AFTER Poland called out the US, it seems rather odd to kill something that seemed dead already.

I don't know shit though, that's already been proven in this thread.

There was no bluff involved. Poland wanted to transfer the planes, then they back off. Then SecState tacitly signaled it might work if the transfer thru Ramstein, and then cooler heads at the WH prevailed and nixed it. It was the right move, IMO


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[Col Hogan]

Part of Poland's proposition was that we would "repay" them with used fighters of similar capability. I'm not sure why Biden nixed the deal. It's a no-brainer, IMO....

Poland is a NATO country. It would be a huge risk, given Putin’s mental state.

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Turkey is still a NATO country and I haven’t heard any grief about them providing UAVs to Ukraine…but providing MIGs is a no go???

Those UAVs are doing some real damage to the Russians

I’m still trying to wrap my tiny brain around that one…

[Col Hogan]

Flying NATO planes into Ukranian airspace is a huge risk. The best workaround would be to fly the planes to the closest airport to the Polish/Ukraine border and let the Ukrainians come in and load them on trucks or trains.

I could see that. But Poland still has to defend themselves. I could see sending them used F/A-18 A/Bs....

Why F/A 18s??? Poland has no experience with that jet…no support equipment…no trained maintainers…no trained pilots…

They do have F-16As…