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UNI88 wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:00 pm
Col Hogan wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:19 pm in the race to be the most corrupt and taxpayer unfriendly state, Illinois is trying to take the lead from California with a ballot measure being pushed by the public unions.

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/08/ ... -illinois/

Public unions have lost over 38,000 members since the SCOTUS Janus ruling…this is one of their efforts to hang onto power
Is this a big, bad state government forcing local governments to toe the line regardless of what the local governments and their constituents might want situation?
Dirtiest unions in Illinois are the PD unions. :coffee:
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And the typical leftist reaction :crybaby:
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Raise your hand if you get a big freedom boner over parents playing a more direct roll in school administration and/or this story.
(JTA) – A school district in suburban Fort Worth, Texas, has ordered its librarians to remove an illustrated adaptation of “The Diary of Anne Frank” from their shelves and digital libraries, along with the Bible and dozens of other books that were challenged by parents last year.

The book purge at the Keller Independent School District in Keller, Texas, was requested Tuesday by a district executive in an email, a copy of which was obtained by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. A copy of the email also circulated on social media.

“By the end of today, I need all books pulled from the library and classrooms,” wrote Jennifer Price, Keller ISD’s executive director of curriculum and instruction.

“Anne Frank’s Diary: The Graphic Adaptation,” by Israeli filmmaker Ari Folman and illustrator David Polonsky, is a 2019 illustrated adaptation of the bestselling diary by the teenage Holocaust victim. The New York Times called the book “so engaging and effective that it’s easy to imagine it replacing the [original] ‘Diary’ in classrooms and among younger readers.”

The parental challenge against the book came in February, and the district initially dismissed it, Hawes said. Hawes, who is not Jewish, is on a list of parents who can be called in to serve on a committee to review book challenges.

“When we got ‘The Diary of Anne Frank,’ we thought, ‘This is a joke.’ But it wasn’t,” Hawes said, adding that the complaint was that “the book shouldn’t be read without parent supervision.” She suspected that the parent may have objected to the unabridged diary’s references to female genitalia, same-sex attraction and other sexual matters, which have been deemed “pornographic” by parental challenges in the past. But she couldn’t be sure because the parent who challenged the book didn’t show up to the meeting.

Hawes’ committee reinstated the book and thought that would be the end of the saga. But following school board elections in May, right-wing activists backed by campaign funds from a PAC affiliated with conservative cell phone company Patriot Mobile gained a majority on the board. They are now rewriting the guidelines for responding to parental book challenges and have ordered all challenged books from last year to be removed from school libraries in the meantime.
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Youngkin slams proposal that deletes Benjamin Franklin from history curriculum
Gov. Glenn Youngkin is speaking out against proposed changes to Virginia’s history curriculum.

“We have to slow down," Youngkin told 7News on Saturday.

7News was the first to reveal that references to George Washington as “the father of our country” and James Madison as the “father of the Constitution” were struck from proposed history curriculum standards. Also, the word "succession" was used instead of "secession" – twice – in the proposal.
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Currently,Virginia's history curriculum standards advise public schools to teach students to describe how the contributions of Benjamin Franklin and Christopher Columbus changed the lives of Americans.

7News learned the proposed changes would strike Franklin and Columbus from the history curriculum standards and replace Franklin and Columbus with opportunities to “incorporate into the local curriculum using learning experiences.”
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:22 am Youngkin slams proposal that deletes Benjamin Franklin from history curriculum
Gov. Glenn Youngkin is speaking out against proposed changes to Virginia’s history curriculum.

“We have to slow down," Youngkin told 7News on Saturday.

7News was the first to reveal that references to George Washington as “the father of our country” and James Madison as the “father of the Constitution” were struck from proposed history curriculum standards. Also, the word "succession" was used instead of "secession" – twice – in the proposal.
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Currently,Virginia's history curriculum standards advise public schools to teach students to describe how the contributions of Benjamin Franklin and Christopher Columbus changed the lives of Americans.

7News learned the proposed changes would strike Franklin and Columbus from the history curriculum standards and replace Franklin and Columbus with opportunities to “incorporate into the local curriculum using learning experiences.”
I'm not sure why you wouldn't include Franklin, there's almost nothing controversial about him. Sure, he owned slaves in his youth, but he was easily one of the first Founding Fathers to turn against slavery, and he did it relatively early (even as early a the 1750's when abolition wasn't even a thing yet). Including him in any sentence with Columbus is just crazy from a historical standpoint.

As to the Father of the Country, again, that's just ignoring history if you erase that part of Washington. Without Washington, the general, the advocate for the Constitutional Convention, and the first President (including all the precedent he set in that role), then there is no USA. You couldn't have a better phrase than that.

As to Madison, though, I've been quite vocal on these boards that calling him the Father of the Constitution has always been a twisting of facts. He was far from alone and likely not the most important person pushing for the Constitutional Convention, and then the resulting Constitution looked nothing like what he privately wrote as "must-haves" in his personal letters before the Constitution. Just because he took a lot of notes during the Convention doesn't mean he fathered it. Call him the Father of the Bill of Rights, at least that has historical basis for it.

And you can't strike Columbus from the curriculum. Call him a controversial figure, heck, you can call him a pretty bad dude and I'd be fine with that. But you can't ignore what he did and the impact it had. Sure, eventually someone would've sailed across the Atlantic and "discover" the New World, but it was still a big deal that he did it. We would've found a cure for polio even if Jonas Salk hadn't discovered it, but it's still a big deal that he did it first.
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..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
..But you have to go home now. We have to have peace…
..I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace.
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BDKJMU wrote: Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:48 pm 2025 (mas or menos) SCOTUS case.
https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/0 ... fs-n603663
Anyone familiar with the very essence of the far-left knows they are tantamount to petulant children: the more they get, the more they want. They are never satisfied. Like spoiled brats, leftists whine their asses off until “mommy” — rational America — caves in and gives them “a little bit more,” hoping against hope to finally give them enough to shut them up. Except they will never shut up; nothing will ever be enough.
BDKJMU wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:07 pm If that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black
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“How dare they call us Christofascists!”

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Good for her for fighting back against the wokeahadists pushing their transgender ideology.
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Kiwifarms sounds like some nice people…
In a public statement posted Wednesday, under Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince’s byline, the company said that it will not drop security services for any of its customers. (The statement did not mention Kiwi Farms by name.) A Cloudflare representative referred NBC News to the blog post when reached for comment.

If the ongoing efforts to close the forum fail, experts warn Kiwi Farms’ target list and techniques could expand as culture war issues gain more attention ahead of the 2024 election, potentially affecting more LGBTQ private citizens or creating a national security threat with the expansion of Kiwi Farms’ harassment tactics to new targets.

Kiwi Farms has become synonymous with doxxing (the release of an individual’s identifying information with malicious intent), swatting (a term for when an anonymous person sends an urgent, false tip to the police about a violent crime in a victim’s home in the hopes that law enforcement will raid it and potentially harm the person inside), and archiving controversial materials such as manifestos by mass shooters and recordings of their livestreams.

The forum is a massive archive of sensitive information on their targets, which has been used to repeatedly harass them. Kiwi Farms’ most notorious section is titled “lolcows” and targets transgender people.
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This, sadly is in so many ways culturally true. Do better, America. Some FB dude:
LOL @ everyone whining about “But….but…..what about MY student loans that I paid off already 😭”. What the fuck about them??? 🤷🏾‍♂️

Look, I don’t super care about what ppl think about this student loan forgiveness thing, or Biden, or whatever. I get it. Debt redistribution, money isn’t free, etc. Fine. There’s good things about it and there’s not so good things about it.

My issue is that there’s no one in this entire world who hates Americans…….more than other Americans.

This country, as a whole, is comprised of just the most selfish fucking society, man. Ppl get all up in their feelings at even the mere THOUGHT of anyone getting anything that they didn’t get.

Raise the minimum wage to a barely livable $15? “NO! MY precious, important job pays me $20, so burger flippers don’t deserve to make anywhere close to what I’M making!!”

Cancel student debt?
“NO! I already paid my loans off, why do THEY get their’s cancelled.”

Affordable healthcare for all?
“NO! I’m not paying more taxes so that my neighbor can see a doctor about his medical condition!!”

We are our own oppressors and we’ve been conditioned to be that. We’re doing their work for them. It’s been seared into us that helping each other is a bad thing. That this country is not actually greater than the sum of its parts. We’ve been told that if someone who has nothing gets something, it’s because they took it from someone who also has nothing. And we believed all of it. Meanwhile, the ppl who have everything are laughing their asses off.

We don’t compromise. We don’t share. We don’t sacrifice. We don’t want to do anything to help the next person. Why? Because no one helped us. So fuck everyone else. Never considering that you deserved help too. It just didn’t come when you needed it, unfortunately.

People don’t want this country to be better. They just want it to be better for THEM. And that’s it. Full stop. Apparently, progress should be measured on an individual basis, not collective.

And then we wonder why we’re being completely lapped by other countries in every major category. Because those places understand that access to healthcare without having to go into debt is better for EVERYONE. Access to education without going into debt is better for EVERYONE. Access to affordable living without going into debt is better for EVERYONE.

Not here, though. We’re perfectly fine with our taxes going to more military bullshit. We’re perfectly fine with debt companies getting rich off of collecting student debts. We’re perfectly fine with keeping ppl below the poverty line because they work a job that we think is beneath us.

Seems legit.

This whole “Why should that person be rescued from drowning when I was forced to swim to shore” bullshit ain’t it. And it’s nothing to be proud of.
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kalm wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:07 am This, sadly is in so many ways culturally true. Do better, America. Some FB dude:
LOL @ everyone whining about “But….but…..what about MY student loans that I paid off already 😭”. What the fuck about them??? 🤷🏾‍♂️

Look, I don’t super care about what ppl think about this student loan forgiveness thing, or Biden, or whatever. I get it. Debt redistribution, money isn’t free, etc. Fine. There’s good things about it and there’s not so good things about it.

My issue is that there’s no one in this entire world who hates Americans…….more than other Americans.

This country, as a whole, is comprised of just the most selfish fucking society, man. Ppl get all up in their feelings at even the mere THOUGHT of anyone getting anything that they didn’t get.

Raise the minimum wage to a barely livable $15? “NO! MY precious, important job pays me $20, so burger flippers don’t deserve to make anywhere close to what I’M making!!”

Cancel student debt?
“NO! I already paid my loans off, why do THEY get their’s cancelled.”

Affordable healthcare for all?
“NO! I’m not paying more taxes so that my neighbor can see a doctor about his medical condition!!”

We are our own oppressors and we’ve been conditioned to be that. We’re doing their work for them. It’s been seared into us that helping each other is a bad thing. That this country is not actually greater than the sum of its parts. We’ve been told that if someone who has nothing gets something, it’s because they took it from someone who also has nothing. And we believed all of it. Meanwhile, the ppl who have everything are laughing their asses off.

We don’t compromise. We don’t share. We don’t sacrifice. We don’t want to do anything to help the next person. Why? Because no one helped us. So fuck everyone else. Never considering that you deserved help too. It just didn’t come when you needed it, unfortunately.

People don’t want this country to be better. They just want it to be better for THEM. And that’s it. Full stop. Apparently, progress should be measured on an individual basis, not collective.

And then we wonder why we’re being completely lapped by other countries in every major category. Because those places understand that access to healthcare without having to go into debt is better for EVERYONE. Access to education without going into debt is better for EVERYONE. Access to affordable living without going into debt is better for EVERYONE.

Not here, though. We’re perfectly fine with our taxes going to more military bullshit. We’re perfectly fine with debt companies getting rich off of collecting student debts. We’re perfectly fine with keeping ppl below the poverty line because they work a job that we think is beneath us.

Seems legit.

This whole “Why should that person be rescued from drowning when I was forced to swim to shore” bullshit ain’t it. And it’s nothing to be proud of.
"My issue is that there’s no one in this entire world who hates Americans…….more than other Americans" is true and everything the author writes after it is proof that he too hates other Americans.

There is a difference between not wanting to help people and:
  • not wanting to be forced to pay higher taxes so that the government can take care of people.
  • wanting to be fiscally responsible so that the government can function in the future.
  • wanting to encourage businesses so they can grow (providing more jobs) and innovate (improving our quality of life).
  • wanting people to be responsible for their own lives.
  • wanting to reward people for their hard work.
    and so on ...
This isn't as black and white as you and the author want to make it.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:29 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:07 am This, sadly is in so many ways culturally true. Do better, America. Some FB dude:

"My issue is that there’s no one in this entire world who hates Americans…….more than other Americans" is true and everything the author writes after it is proof that he too hates other Americans.

There is a difference between not wanting to help people and:
  • not wanting to be forced to pay higher taxes so that the government can take care of people.
  • wanting to be fiscally responsible so that the government can function in the future.
  • wanting to encourage businesses so they can grow (providing more jobs) and innovate (improving our quality of life).
  • wanting people to be responsible for their own lives.
  • wanting to reward people for their hard work.
    and so on ...
This isn't as black and white as you and the author want to make it.
Lol. The author literally recognizes there are good things AND bad things about a hand up vs hand out in the opening. His focus is on long held resistance to change wrapped in faux patriotism. Those who crow ‘Murica the loudest have trouble accepting the need to change.

The argument simply lies in how much which is truly our typical debate. Crisis periods are needed times for rapid change when selfishness reaches critical mass. This has occurred throughout our history.

Unless you resist ANY change and progression. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that isn’t the case.

Black and white indeed. :coffee:
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kalm wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:29 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:29 pm

"My issue is that there’s no one in this entire world who hates Americans…….more than other Americans" is true and everything the author writes after it is proof that he too hates other Americans.

There is a difference between not wanting to help people and:
  • not wanting to be forced to pay higher taxes so that the government can take care of people.
  • wanting to be fiscally responsible so that the government can function in the future.
  • wanting to encourage businesses so they can grow (providing more jobs) and innovate (improving our quality of life).
  • wanting people to be responsible for their own lives.
  • wanting to reward people for their hard work.
    and so on ...
This isn't as black and white as you and the author want to make it.
Lol. The author literally recognizes there are good things AND bad things about a hand up vs hand out in the opening. His focus is on long held resistance to change wrapped in faux patriotism. Those who crow ‘Murica the loudest have trouble accepting the need to change.

The argument simply lies in how much which is truly our typical debate. Crisis periods are needed times for rapid change when selfishness reaches critical mass. This has occurred throughout our history.

Unless you resist ANY change and progression. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that isn’t the case.

Black and white indeed. :coffee:
What you and your FB rando friend don't understand is that literally nobody is resisting change. The whole illegal student loan debt forgiveness scheme is a great example.
Donks love to bitch and moan about the cost of healthcare. They want to blow the entire system up, but do not want to touch the golden calf of higher education.
Donks are more than happy to forgive the debt, but they certainly don't want to fix the problem. Why? :?
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Baldy wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:01 am
kalm wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:29 am

Lol. The author literally recognizes there are good things AND bad things about a hand up vs hand out in the opening. His focus is on long held resistance to change wrapped in faux patriotism. Those who crow ‘Murica the loudest have trouble accepting the need to change.

The argument simply lies in how much which is truly our typical debate. Crisis periods are needed times for rapid change when selfishness reaches critical mass. This has occurred throughout our history.

Unless you resist ANY change and progression. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that isn’t the case.

Black and white indeed. :coffee:
What you and your FB rando friend don't understand is that literally nobody is resisting change. The whole illegal student loan debt forgiveness scheme is a great example.
Donks love to bitch and moan about the cost of healthcare. They want to blow the entire system up, but do not want to touch the golden calf of higher education.
Donks are more than happy to forgive the debt, but they certainly don't want to fix the problem. Why? :?
Weird.

There are greedy donks too. Many also wouldn’t mind blowing up the higher Ed system in favor of free tuition going forward. Tuition used to be free in the US. It still us to Americans willing to travel to certain countries who provide a free college education to practically anyone.
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kalm wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:12 am
Baldy wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:01 am
What you and your FB rando friend don't understand is that literally nobody is resisting change. The whole illegal student loan debt forgiveness scheme is a great example.
Donks love to bitch and moan about the cost of healthcare. They want to blow the entire system up, but do not want to touch the golden calf of higher education.
Donks are more than happy to forgive the debt, but they certainly don't want to fix the problem. Why? :?
Weird.

There are greedy donks too. Many also wouldn’t mind blowing up the higher Ed system in favor of free tuition going forward. Tuition used to be free in the US. It still us to Americans willing to travel to certain countries who provide a free college education to practically anyone.
That's nice.
I think you're confusing a very vocal minority with "many Donks". If Donks were really worried and serious about tuition rising 5X the rate of inflation, they would have suggested some kind of reform...or change ( :shock: ) to the system.

That isn't happening. I wonder why... :roll:
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kalm wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:12 am
Baldy wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:01 am
What you and your FB rando friend don't understand is that literally nobody is resisting change. The whole illegal student loan debt forgiveness scheme is a great example.
Donks love to bitch and moan about the cost of healthcare. They want to blow the entire system up, but do not want to touch the golden calf of higher education.
Donks are more than happy to forgive the debt, but they certainly don't want to fix the problem. Why? :?
Weird.

There are greedy donks too. Many also wouldn’t mind blowing up the higher Ed system in favor of free tuition going forward. Tuition used to be free in the US. It still us to Americans willing to travel to certain countries who provide a free college education to practically anyone.
No it didn’t There’s no such thing as ‘free’ tbat comes from the govt..
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Baldy wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:21 am
kalm wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:12 am

Weird.

There are greedy donks too. Many also wouldn’t mind blowing up the higher Ed system in favor of free tuition going forward. Tuition used to be free in the US. It still us to Americans willing to travel to certain countries who provide a free college education to practically anyone.
That's nice.
I think you're confusing a very vocal minority with "many Donks". If Donks were really worried and serious about tuition rising 5X the rate of inflation, they would have suggested some kind of reform...or change ( :shock: ) to the system.

That isn't happening. I wonder why... :roll:
I agree. The answer is greed and political bribery. They’re paid not to.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:03 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:12 am

Weird.

There are greedy donks too. Many also wouldn’t mind blowing up the higher Ed system in favor of free tuition going forward. Tuition used to be free in the US. It still us to Americans willing to travel to certain countries who provide a free college education to practically anyone.
No it didn’t There’s no such thing as ‘free’ tbat comes from the govt..
Boring ideological semantics. Did you cover all the costs of the roads you drive on? Or at least your fair share?
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Neo patriarchy… :)

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kalm wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:39 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:03 pm
No it didn’t There’s no such thing as ‘free’ tbat comes from the govt..
Boring ideological semantics. Did you cover all the costs of the roads you drive on? Or at least your fair share?
Without them he wouldn't have anything to say. :coffee:
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kalm wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:39 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:03 pm
No it didn’t There’s no such thing as ‘free’ tbat comes from the govt..
Boring ideological semantics. Did you cover all the costs of the roads you drive on? Or at least your fair share?
Lol. Fair share. One of the most misunderstood and misused phrases in our society. :tothehand:
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Re: Culture Wars

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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:08 am
kalm wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:39 am

Boring ideological semantics. Did you cover all the costs of the roads you drive on? Or at least your fair share?
Lol. Fair share. One of the most misunderstood and misused phrases in our society. :tothehand:
I pay my fair share. I live here in Washington. I want zero of my federal tax dollars going to others states.
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Re: Culture Wars

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kalm wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:15 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:08 am

Lol. Fair share. One of the most misunderstood and misused phrases in our society. :tothehand:
I pay my fair share. I live here in Washington. I want zero of my federal tax dollars going to others states.
I pay about 10x my fair share. And I don’t want my tax dollars going to Ukraine, student loan debt, or any of 100 other ridiculous things.
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