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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:46 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:32 am

Calm down, Fiver. JSO didn’t make a direct comparison. He pointed out the demagoguery and where it can lead if it’s accepted.

It’s really not much different than claiming Bernie would lead us to Marxism.
As Fiver pointed out, DeSantis is no more of a demagogue then Obama was. I would add that most modern so-called progressive politicians also fit the definition of demagoguery. JSO's opinion of DeSantis is based on opposing ideology not reason. Fiver's response humorously pointed out the stupidity of JSO's observation.

Bernie's positions and past statements and link him much more closely to Marxism then anything Trump, DeSantis, etc. said or did link them to fascism. FFS, he's identifies himself as a socialist.
Did you typed this with a straight face?

Yes demagogues exist on both sides. The beauty of our system is not letting they’re deepest desires and harshest tactics rule the day. The only discomfort here I see is the fact that one side’s rhetoric and policies more closely resemble Hitler.
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:54 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:46 am

As Fiver pointed out, DeSantis is no more of a demagogue then Obama was. I would add that most modern so-called progressive politicians also fit the definition of demagoguery. JSO's opinion of DeSantis is based on opposing ideology not reason. Fiver's response humorously pointed out the stupidity of JSO's observation.

Bernie's positions and past statements and link him much more closely to Marxism then anything Trump, DeSantis, etc. said or did link them to fascism. FFS, he's identifies himself as a socialist.
Did you typed this with a straight face?

Yes demagogues exist on both sides. The beauty of our system is not letting they’re deepest desires and harshest tactics rule the day. The only discomfort here I see is the fact that one side’s rhetoric and policies more closely resemble Hitler.
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Yes, I did.

I don't like the rhetoric from DeSantis, Perjury Taylor Greene and others either (and my posts prove it) but it's a long way from being as Nazi as so-called progressive snowflakes seem to think.

It's about as far from resembling Hitler as the left's rhetoric and policies are to resembling Stalin. I will point out the left's lean toward socialism and even Marxism but you don't see me constantly talking about them being Stalinists because that's hyperbolic bullsh!t. Just like people constantly talking about Trump, DeSantis, etc. being Hitler.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:59 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:54 am

Did you typed this with a straight face?

Yes demagogues exist on both sides. The beauty of our system is not letting they’re deepest desires and harshest tactics rule the day. The only discomfort here I see is the fact that one side’s rhetoric and policies more closely resemble Hitler.
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Yes, I did.

I don't like the rhetoric from DeSantis, Perjury Taylor Greene and others either (and my posts prove it) but it's a long way from being as Nazi as so-called progressive snowflakes seem to think.

It's about as far from resembling Hitler as the left's rhetoric and policies are to resembling Stalin. I will point out the left's lean toward socialism and even Marxism but you don't see me constantly talking about them being Stalinists because that's hyperbolic bullsh!t. Just like people constantly talking about Trump, DeSantis, etc. being Hitler.
I starts somewhere. Were there not reasonable and moderate Germans having similar discussions in the 20’s and early 30’s? I don’t think DeSantis is the next Hitler. In all honesty, I think Tucker (who looks like he’s running now) and Trump are closer. Nor do I think our system would ultimately succumb to fascism. But I don’t want to get even remotely close to finding out.

Book banning and culture war bullshit against the “others” to placate the base aren’t new tactics. History doesn’t repeat but it echoes.
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:32 am
HI54UNI wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:55 am

FFS comparisons to Hitler like this are just stupid. FDR is probably the American politician closest to Hitler because he rounded up American citizens and put them in camps and I wouldn't call him Hitler. Obama could be defined as a demagogue, Is he Hitler? Maybe we need to define them better.

Trump - Orange Hitler
Hillary - Bitch Hitler
W. Bush - Dumb Hitler
Obama - Black Hitler
McConnell - Cocaine Hitler
Biden - Senile Hitler
Harris - Blowjob Hitler
Warren - Indian Hitler
Cawthorn - Wheeled Hitler
MTG - Dumber Hitler

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Calm down, Fiver. JSO didn’t make a direct comparison. He pointed out the demagoguery and where it can lead if it’s accepted.

It’s really not much different than claiming Bernie would lead us to Marxism.
Then he doesn’t understand what a demagogue is.
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:23 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:59 am
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Yes, I did.

I don't like the rhetoric from DeSantis, Perjury Taylor Greene and others either (and my posts prove it) but it's a long way from being as Nazi as so-called progressive snowflakes seem to think.

It's about as far from resembling Hitler as the left's rhetoric and policies are to resembling Stalin. I will point out the left's lean toward socialism and even Marxism but you don't see me constantly talking about them being Stalinists because that's hyperbolic bullsh!t. Just like people constantly talking about Trump, DeSantis, etc. being Hitler.
I starts somewhere. Were there not reasonable and moderate Germans having similar discussions in the 20’s and early 30’s? I don’t think DeSantis is the next Hitler. In all honesty, I think Tucker (who looks like he’s running now) and Trump are closer. Nor do I think our system would ultimately succumb to fascism. But I don’t want to get even remotely close to finding out.

Book banning and culture war bullshit against the “others” to placate the base aren’t new tactics. History doesn’t repeat but it echoes.
Those "echoes" are just as prevalent on the left as they are on the right but you keep being you and acting like the other side is worse so we need to focus all of our attention and effort on them while ignoring the corresponding cancer on the side you support.

Trump was and is a wannabe tinpot dictator. He's a narcissist but he's nowhere near as brilliant or deranged as Hitler. Comparing him to Hitler and calling him a fascist does a disservice to the people that lost their lives because of Hitler. Fiver was spot on in mocking the hyperbole.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:11 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:23 am

I starts somewhere. Were there not reasonable and moderate Germans having similar discussions in the 20’s and early 30’s? I don’t think DeSantis is the next Hitler. In all honesty, I think Tucker (who looks like he’s running now) and Trump are closer. Nor do I think our system would ultimately succumb to fascism. But I don’t want to get even remotely close to finding out.

Book banning and culture war bullshit against the “others” to placate the base aren’t new tactics. History doesn’t repeat but it echoes.
Those "echoes" are just as prevalent on the left as they are on the right but you keep being you and acting like the other side is worse so we need to focus all of our attention and effort on them while ignoring the corresponding cancer on the side you support.

Trump was and is a wannabe tinpot dictator. He's a narcissist but he's nowhere near as brilliant or deranged as Hitler. Comparing him to Hitler and calling him a fascist does a disservice to the people that lost their lives because of Hitler. Fiver was spot on in mocking the hyperbole.
Just because both sides do it doesn’t mean one isn’t worse. I’m as aware of the corresponding cancer of wokism and big government as anyone on this board.

Hyperbole would also be describing my efforts here as a disservice to Holocaust victims. Jesus… :lol:
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:54 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:46 am

As Fiver pointed out, DeSantis is no more of a demagogue then Obama was. I would add that most modern so-called progressive politicians also fit the definition of demagoguery. JSO's opinion of DeSantis is based on opposing ideology not reason. Fiver's response humorously pointed out the stupidity of JSO's observation.

Bernie's positions and past statements and link him much more closely to Marxism then anything Trump, DeSantis, etc. said or did link them to fascism. FFS, he's identifies himself as a socialist.
Did you typed this with a straight face?

Yes demagogues exist on both sides. The beauty of our system is not letting they’re deepest desires and harshest tactics rule the day. The only discomfort here I see is the fact that one side’s rhetoric and policies more closely resemble Hitler.
Uni is right, there are loads and loads of demagogues in our politics these days, and I daresay they are more prevalent than the non-demagogues. Blame it on our headline culture, blame it on our addiction to social media, blame it on just lazy voters unwilling to spend more than a few neurons on any political issue, but it is what it is.

But you just add to that demagogue-type culture we have when you, an educated and rational voter, make the lazy connection to anything Hitler. Hitler was evil-personified - he wanted to dominate the world, or at least starting with his neighbors, he wanted a racial purity, and he advocated and instituted a government method to facilitate mass genocide. There is absolutely nothing in American politics today that in any shape or form can be compared to Hitler and to make any comparisons to that, no matter how slight, are irresponsible and wrong. Just sayin. :coffee:
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:18 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:11 am
Those "echoes" are just as prevalent on the left as they are on the right but you keep being you and acting like the other side is worse so we need to focus all of our attention and effort on them while ignoring the corresponding cancer on the side you support.

Trump was and is a wannabe tinpot dictator. He's a narcissist but he's nowhere near as brilliant or deranged as Hitler. Comparing him to Hitler and calling him a fascist does a disservice to the people that lost their lives because of Hitler. Fiver was spot on in mocking the hyperbole.
Just because both sides do it doesn’t mean one isn’t worse. I’m as aware of the corresponding cancer of wokism and big government as anyone on this board.

Hyperbole would also be describing my efforts here as a disservice to Holocaust victims. Jesus… :lol:
Maybe now you're starting to understand why the comparisons to Hitler are blown WAY out of proportion.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:37 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:18 am

Just because both sides do it doesn’t mean one isn’t worse. I’m as aware of the corresponding cancer of wokism and big government as anyone on this board.

Hyperbole would also be describing my efforts here as a disservice to Holocaust victims. Jesus… :lol:
Maybe now you're starting to understand why the comparisons to Hitler are blown WAY out of proportion.
But i doubt it…. :lol:
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:37 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:18 am

Just because both sides do it doesn’t mean one isn’t worse. I’m as aware of the corresponding cancer of wokism and big government as anyone on this board.

Hyperbole would also be describing my efforts here as a disservice to Holocaust victims. Jesus… :lol:
Maybe now you're starting to understand why the comparisons to Hitler are blown WAY out of proportion.
But that wasn’t your intent was it?
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:24 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:54 am

Did you typed this with a straight face?

Yes demagogues exist on both sides. The beauty of our system is not letting they’re deepest desires and harshest tactics rule the day. The only discomfort here I see is the fact that one side’s rhetoric and policies more closely resemble Hitler.
Uni is right, there are loads and loads of demagogues in our politics these days, and I daresay they are more prevalent than the non-demagogues. Blame it on our headline culture, blame it on our addiction to social media, blame it on just lazy voters unwilling to spend more than a few neurons on any political issue, but it is what it is.

But you just add to that demagogue-type culture we have when you, an educated and rational voter, make the lazy connection to anything Hitler. Hitler was evil-personified - he wanted to dominate the world, or at least starting with his neighbors, he wanted a racial purity, and he advocated and instituted a government method to facilitate mass genocide. There is absolutely nothing in American politics today that in any shape or form can be compared to Hitler and to make any comparisons to that, no matter how slight, are irresponsible and wrong. Just sayin. :coffee:
1). I didn’t make the connection. I’m just pointing out why it’s not a hard one to make.

2). 20th century fascism didn’t happen overnight. I’m also not saying we’re there yet.
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:51 pm
GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:24 am

Uni is right, there are loads and loads of demagogues in our politics these days, and I daresay they are more prevalent than the non-demagogues. Blame it on our headline culture, blame it on our addiction to social media, blame it on just lazy voters unwilling to spend more than a few neurons on any political issue, but it is what it is.

But you just add to that demagogue-type culture we have when you, an educated and rational voter, make the lazy connection to anything Hitler. Hitler was evil-personified - he wanted to dominate the world, or at least starting with his neighbors, he wanted a racial purity, and he advocated and instituted a government method to facilitate mass genocide. There is absolutely nothing in American politics today that in any shape or form can be compared to Hitler and to make any comparisons to that, no matter how slight, are irresponsible and wrong. Just sayin. :coffee:
1). I didn’t make the connection. I’m just pointing out why it’s not a hard one to make.

2). 20th century fascism didn’t happen overnight. I’m also not saying we’re there yet.
20th century fascism didn't look like anything we are seeing today. People seem to have little to no knowledge of what 1920's Italy and Germany looked like and how the fascists movements even came about, how they operated, and what they turned into. Again, comparing anything that is going on in politics today in America to Nazi Germany or Hitler belies what that fascism looked like and how it came about. It's lazy and it's historically untruthful. In the words of Ryan Gosling, "be better than the Gap".
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:31 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:51 pm

1). I didn’t make the connection. I’m just pointing out why it’s not a hard one to make.

2). 20th century fascism didn’t happen overnight. I’m also not saying we’re there yet.
20th century fascism didn't look like anything we are seeing today. People seem to have little to no knowledge of what 1920's Italy and Germany looked like and how the fascists movements even came about, how they operated, and what they turned into. Again, comparing anything that is going on in politics today in America to Nazi Germany or Hitler belies what that fascism looked like and how it came about. It's lazy and it's historically untruthful. In the words of Ryan Gosling, "be better than the Gap".
So then, let’s not be lazy, and ask what actual Holocaust survivors think of this. And yes there’s even one of these stories that disagrees with the narrative. :thumb:
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“Das kanst du dir nicht vorshtellen” — you cannot imagine it. “At first we thought it wouldn’t be so bad, but some things changed almost overnight. My boss said I shouldn’t visit certain clients because they might not want to do business.”

“But you hadn’t changed!” I interrupted.

“My child, you can’t understand, and God willing, you won’t have to. The boss said he personally didn’t go along with Hitler’s Nazi rantings, but by 1934 we were no longer invited to their Sunday kaffeeklatsch."

I remembered this when a pro-Trump neighbor stopped inviting us to her annual holiday cocktail party.

Prior to 2016, we respected each other’s differing political views, even joked about it. This changed dramatically after I said to her, “But Trump lies.” That was the end of the conversation, and she and her partner retreated to their capsules of collusion, for it is a form of collusion when normal, ordinary people look away from facts.

It was the same collusion as when teachers, lawyers and ministers went along with the Nazi lie that in a pure Germany, Aryan supremacy must be returned to “das Volk.”

My parents left Germany for France in 1935; I was born there in 1938. Too many of our relatives were less fortunate, and they were gassed in the camps.

For a time I wanted to believe that the Nazi era was a “never-again” episode orchestrated by some twisted fascist monsters. I wanted to believe that America had saved Europe from the worst evil in modern times.

Alas, “never again” is now.

I fear not enough good people remember history. Why are so many Republicans on board with Trump, even a year after the Jan. 6, 2021, coup attempt? I worry about political things, such as the large number of judges Trump has appointed, but there are also other changes that deeply concern me.

I wonder about doctors who refuse to call COVID-19 the killer that it is, especially of poor Americans and people of color. My grandmother was a victim of the Nazification of medicine. She had leukemia. It was treatable with transfusions that she received regularly at a blood bank in Frankfurt. After the Nuremberg Laws, she was denied pure Aryan blood. Her oldest son stayed in Germany to donate blood to her even though he had received an exit visa to America. She feared he wouldn’t get out in time.

My grandmother stopped eating so her son would leave. She died.

Where were the good doctors, journalists or judges who could have demanded this cruelty stop? Where were the ruling bodies then?

And where will ours be in 2022 and 2024 if so many election officials have been ousted or quit because they failed to cheat for a would-be fascist dictator? I pray for our democracy, which seems irrevocably on life support.
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Lol. “But Trump lies”…..yes, yes, obewan. And he’s the ONLY politician who’s EVER lied while in office. I see why there’s such vitriol for him now…
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HI54UNI wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:55 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:14 am

So Hitler wasn’t a demagogue? Or you don’t think DeSantis is showing demagogue like tendencies?
FFS comparisons to Hitler like this are just stupid. FDR is probably the American politician closest to Hitler because he rounded up American citizens and put them in camps and I wouldn't call him Hitler. Obama could be defined as a demagogue, Is he Hitler? Maybe we need to define them better.

Trump - Orange Hitler
Hillary - Bitch Hitler
W. Bush - Dumb Hitler
Obama - Black Hitler
McConnell - Cocaine Hitler
Biden - Senile Hitler
Harris - Blowjob Hitler
Warren - Indian Hitler
Cawthorn - Wheeled Hitler
MTG - Dumber Hitler

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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:46 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:32 am

Calm down, Fiver. JSO didn’t make a direct comparison. He pointed out the demagoguery and where it can lead if it’s accepted.

It’s really not much different than claiming Bernie would lead us to Marxism.
As Fiver pointed out, DeSantis is no more of a demagogue then Obama was. I would add that most modern so-called progressive politicians also fit the definition of demagoguery. JSO's opinion of DeSantis is based on opposing ideology not reason. Fiver's response humorously pointed out the stupidity of JSO's observation.

Bernie's positions and past statements and link him much more closely to Marxism then anything Trump, DeSantis, etc. said or did link them to fascism. FFS, he's identifies himself as a socialist.
Team UNI is cleaning it up on the JSO rhetoric. Well done. :clap:
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Just wait until conks get to put in their head of the Ministry of Truth. :lol:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:27 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:07 am

Well i'm not a leftist so you can stop there. I would be equally bothered if a Democratic governor did this to a company.
In Disney’s case they did it to themselves.
I don't disagree - the consequences of 1A cuts both ways.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 5:30 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:27 am

In Disney’s case they did it to themselves.
I don't disagree - the consequences of 1A cuts both ways.
So then what’s your beef with DeSantis? :coffee: :coffee:
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Ron DeSantis Disney attack violates Republican principles, GOP rival says
“I don’t believe that government should be punitive against private businesses because we disagree with them,” the Arkansas governor said, referring to the law DeSantis signed last week dissolving Disney’s 55-year right to self-government through its special taxing district in Florida.

“That’s not the right approach … to me it’s the old Republican principle of having a restrained government.”
...
“[But] let’s do the right thing. It’s a fair debate about the special tax privileges, I understand that debate. But let’s not go after businesses and punish them because we disagree with what they say.
It appears that the Republican Party still has some voices of reason.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 10:17 am Ron DeSantis Disney attack violates Republican principles, GOP rival says
“I don’t believe that government should be punitive against private businesses because we disagree with them,” the Arkansas governor said, referring to the law DeSantis signed last week dissolving Disney’s 55-year right to self-government through its special taxing district in Florida.

“That’s not the right approach … to me it’s the old Republican principle of having a restrained government.”
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“[But] let’s do the right thing. It’s a fair debate about the special tax privileges, I understand that debate. But let’s not go after businesses and punish them because we disagree with what they say.
It appears that the Republican Party still has some voices of reason.
Total misrepresentation of both sides of that argument. :rofl:
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UNI88 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 10:17 am Ron DeSantis Disney attack violates Republican principles, GOP rival says
“I don’t believe that government should be punitive against private businesses because we disagree with them,” the Arkansas governor said, referring to the law DeSantis signed last week dissolving Disney’s 55-year right to self-government through its special taxing district in Florida.

“That’s not the right approach … to me it’s the old Republican principle of having a restrained government.”
...
“[But] let’s do the right thing. It’s a fair debate about the special tax privileges, I understand that debate. But let’s not go after businesses and punish them because we disagree with what they say.
It appears that the Republican Party still has some voices of reason.
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Re: Ron Desantis declares war on Disney

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HI54UNI wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 4:54 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 10:17 am Ron DeSantis Disney attack violates Republican principles, GOP rival says

It appears that the Republican Party still has some voices of reason.
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Re: Ron Desantis declares war on Disney

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UNI88 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 5:09 pm
HI54UNI wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 4:54 pm

Dear Asa,

You will never be president of the U.S.

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Probably true. The country is worse for being driven by thin-skinned vindictiveness and extremism rather than character and reason.
The mid-1850's were not so different. We survived then and will survive this.

It is all cyclic.
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