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houndawg wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:03 am
UNI88 wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:14 pm The working class is focused on and prioritizes things like job security, wages and health care while the woke class is willing to sacrifice those things to fight an ineffective battle against climate change, to blame all society's woes on racism, etc.
..it won't be long until nobody is thinking about anything butclimate change. :coffee:
I agree that climate change is a problem but we aren't ready to walk away from fossil fuels. We don't get sufficient and consistent enough power from wind and solar to replace fossil fuels. Our grid can't handle weather extremes much less the strain of everyone owning an electric car. The manufacture of electric cars isn't exactly green, the mining/waste they require/create is and will continue to be a problem. We need practical solutions that take into account reality rather than pie-in-the-sky, let's just do it and damn the consequences attempts at solutions.

The poor and the working class will suffer the most if we move forward with significant aspects of the Green New Deal.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:15 am
houndawg wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:03 am

..it won't be long until nobody is thinking about anything butclimate change. :coffee:
I agree that climate change is a problem but we aren't ready to walk away from fossil fuels. We don't get sufficient and consistent enough power from wind and solar to replace fossil fuels. Our grid can't handle weather extremes much less the strain of everyone owning an electric car. The manufacture of electric cars isn't exactly green, the mining/waste they require/create is and will continue to be a problem. We need practical solutions that take into account reality rather than pie-in-the-sky, let's just do it and damn the consequences attempts at solutions.

The poor and the working class will suffer the most if we move forward with significant aspects of the Green New Deal.


The poor and the working class will always suffer most regardless of whatever plan is being discussed. :coffee:

Nuclear power has to be part of the dscussion now - since reactors can produce waste that isn't weaponizable the potential exists for smaller decentralized plants; first we need a modernized grid of course, and the waste is still an issue, but the "advantage" of nuclear waste is that it can be constrained to a limited physical space instead of being released into the atmosphere. Throw in decentralized nukes and and we'd be able to put a major dent in oil as a generator of electricity if not eliminate it altogether. Maybe even eliminate the need for wind power and its dilemma of what to do with spent turbine blades. Since we've already passed the tipping point this argument is only academic, but once we get to a point where its so bad that even shareholders profits have to take a backseat we'll be wanting to throw everything we have at the lost cause for appearances sake and the above would be a good way start.
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I'd love if a third party could exist, but I just don't see it happening in the US. The structure of government, through all the branches, just naturally gravitates towards two parties, and always two parties (no matter how many times JSO tries to convince us we're about to enter half a century of one party, Democratic rule). And as evidence, we have the past 233 years under the Constitution to prove that. Any third parties are temporary at best, and eventually, and pretty quickly at that, are absorbed by one or both of the two major parties.
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houndawg wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:20 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:15 am

I agree that climate change is a problem but we aren't ready to walk away from fossil fuels. We don't get sufficient and consistent enough power from wind and solar to replace fossil fuels. Our grid can't handle weather extremes much less the strain of everyone owning an electric car. The manufacture of electric cars isn't exactly green, the mining/waste they require/create is and will continue to be a problem. We need practical solutions that take into account reality rather than pie-in-the-sky, let's just do it and damn the consequences attempts at solutions.

The poor and the working class will suffer the most if we move forward with significant aspects of the Green New Deal.


The poor and the working class will always suffer most regardless of whatever plan is being discussed. :coffee:

Nuclear power has to be part of the dscussion now - since reactors can produce waste that isn't weaponizable the potential exists for smaller decentralized plants; first we need a modernized grid of course, and the waste is still an issue, but the "advantage" of nuclear waste is that it can be constrained to a limited physical space instead of being released into the atmosphere. Throw in decentralized nukes and and we'd be able to put a major dent in oil as a generator of electricity if not eliminate it altogether. Maybe even eliminate the need for wind power and its dilemma of what to do with spent turbine blades. Since we've already passed the tipping point this argument is only academic, but once we get to a point where its so bad that even shareholders profits have to take a backseat we'll be wanting to throw everything we have at the lost cause for appearances sake and the above would be a good way start.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:13 am
houndawg wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:20 am

The poor and the working class will always suffer most regardless of whatever plan is being discussed. :coffee:

Nuclear power has to be part of the dscussion now - since reactors can produce waste that isn't weaponizable the potential exists for smaller decentralized plants; first we need a modernized grid of course, and the waste is still an issue, but the "advantage" of nuclear waste is that it can be constrained to a limited physical space instead of being released into the atmosphere. Throw in decentralized nukes and and we'd be able to put a major dent in oil as a generator of electricity if not eliminate it altogether. Maybe even eliminate the need for wind power and its dilemma of what to do with spent turbine blades. Since we've already passed the tipping point this argument is only academic, but once we get to a point where its so bad that even shareholders profits have to take a backseat we'll be wanting to throw everything we have at the lost cause for appearances sake and the above would be a good way start.
Good luck getting that agenda past the squad.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:13 am
houndawg wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:20 am

The poor and the working class will always suffer most regardless of whatever plan is being discussed. :coffee:

Nuclear power has to be part of the dscussion now - since reactors can produce waste that isn't weaponizable the potential exists for smaller decentralized plants; first we need a modernized grid of course, and the waste is still an issue, but the "advantage" of nuclear waste is that it can be constrained to a limited physical space instead of being released into the atmosphere. Throw in decentralized nukes and and we'd be able to put a major dent in oil as a generator of electricity if not eliminate it altogether. Maybe even eliminate the need for wind power and its dilemma of what to do with spent turbine blades. Since we've already passed the tipping point this argument is only academic, but once we get to a point where its so bad that even shareholders profits have to take a backseat we'll be wanting to throw everything we have at the lost cause for appearances sake and the above would be a good way start.
Good luck getting that agenda past the squad.
Like I said its only academic now but environmentalists and the squad will take a back seat to profits every time. For some reason this is a difficult concept for people that think Joe Biden controls the gas pump price
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houndawg wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:20 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:15 am

I agree that climate change is a problem but we aren't ready to walk away from fossil fuels. We don't get sufficient and consistent enough power from wind and solar to replace fossil fuels. Our grid can't handle weather extremes much less the strain of everyone owning an electric car. The manufacture of electric cars isn't exactly green, the mining/waste they require/create is and will continue to be a problem. We need practical solutions that take into account reality rather than pie-in-the-sky, let's just do it and damn the consequences attempts at solutions.

The poor and the working class will suffer the most if we move forward with significant aspects of the Green New Deal.


The poor and the working class will always suffer most regardless of whatever plan is being discussed. :coffee:

Nuclear power has to be part of the dscussion now - since reactors can produce waste that isn't weaponizable the potential exists for smaller decentralized plants; first we need a modernized grid of course, and the waste is still an issue, but the "advantage" of nuclear waste is that it can be constrained to a limited physical space instead of being released into the atmosphere. Throw in decentralized nukes and and we'd be able to put a major dent in oil as a generator of electricity if not eliminate it altogether. Maybe even eliminate the need for wind power and its dilemma of what to do with spent turbine blades. Since we've already passed the tipping point this argument is only academic, but once we get to a point where its so bad that even shareholders profits have to take a backseat we'll be wanting to throw everything we have at the lost cause for appearances sake and the above would be a good way start.
Very little oil is used to generate electricity. But other than that I agree.
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HI54UNI wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:45 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:20 am

The poor and the working class will always suffer most regardless of whatever plan is being discussed. :coffee:

Nuclear power has to be part of the dscussion now - since reactors can produce waste that isn't weaponizable the potential exists for smaller decentralized plants; first we need a modernized grid of course, and the waste is still an issue, but the "advantage" of nuclear waste is that it can be constrained to a limited physical space instead of being released into the atmosphere. Throw in decentralized nukes and and we'd be able to put a major dent in oil as a generator of electricity if not eliminate it altogether. Maybe even eliminate the need for wind power and its dilemma of what to do with spent turbine blades. Since we've already passed the tipping point this argument is only academic, but once we get to a point where its so bad that even shareholders profits have to take a backseat we'll be wanting to throw everything we have at the lost cause for appearances sake and the above would be a good way start.
Very little oil is used to generate electricity. But other than that I agree.
Really? How much oil is used to mine, smelt, mold, ship, install and maintain solar panels? Or windmills? Or all the parts involved in hydroelectric or coal plants? If you’re just talking about the ACTUAL generation portion of the lifecycle, then yeah, maybe. But in reality a shitload of oil/petroleum products are used to generate electricity.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:07 pm
HI54UNI wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:45 pm

Very little oil is used to generate electricity. But other than that I agree.
Really? How much oil is used to mine, smelt, mold, ship, install and maintain solar panels? Or windmills? Or all the parts involved in hydroelectric or coal plants? If you’re just talking about the ACTUAL generation portion of the lifecycle, then yeah, maybe. But in reality a shitload of oil/petroleum products are used to generate electricity.
He said generator of electricity, not supporting the generation of electricity.
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Former Illinois Rep, Joe Walsh would fit in nicely here.
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kalm wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:34 am Former Illinois Rep, Joe Walsh would fit in nicely here.
Joe Walsh :rofl: He was my rep for a short time. He's a whacko who was making outrageous comments before trump even ran for POTUS. He talked about a violent insurrection if trump lost in 2016. He may have been insightful enough to sour on trump but that doesn't change who he is.
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HI54UNI wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:00 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:07 pm

Really? How much oil is used to mine, smelt, mold, ship, install and maintain solar panels? Or windmills? Or all the parts involved in hydroelectric or coal plants? If you’re just talking about the ACTUAL generation portion of the lifecycle, then yeah, maybe. But in reality a shitload of oil/petroleum products are used to generate electricity.
He said generator of electricity, not supporting the generation of electricity.
Fine. But in the GENERATION of electricity, we’ll never be able to “eliminate it altogether” as he also surmised.
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:17 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:22 am Andrew Yang believes in a basic universal income.

NON STARTER for me.
Come on. Even though its failed everywhere its been tried, they just need to do it right.
It hasn't failed yet in Switzerland.
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houndawg wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:14 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:17 am
Come on. Even though its failed everywhere its been tried, they just need to do it right.
It hasn't failed yet in Switzerland.
Great. Declare our neutrality, disband the military and use that money for social programs.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:35 pm
houndawg wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:14 pm

It hasn't failed yet in Switzerland.
Great. Decline our role as the world police, occupy only the US with our military and use that money for social programs.
FYP. It sounds like it would be a workable solution that saves tax dollars. I hope the Reps agree to it.
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houndawg wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:14 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:17 am
Come on. Even though its failed everywhere its been tried, they just need to do it right.
It hasn't failed yet in Switzerland.
That's probably because Switzerland doesn't have it.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:35 pm
houndawg wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:14 pm

It hasn't failed yet in Switzerland.
Great. Declare our neutrality, disband the military and use that money for social programs.
Obviously the logical extension of my comment. :roll:


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Baldy wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:31 am
houndawg wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:14 pm

It hasn't failed yet in Switzerland.
That's probably because Switzerland doesn't have it.
True
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houndawg wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:19 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:35 pm

Great. Declare our neutrality, disband the military and use that money for social programs.
Obviously the logical extension of my comment. :roll:


:jack:
Well it's the only way a country can afford it. Can't be the world's policeman AND give away free shit to the lazy people. It's one or the other, pal.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:30 am
houndawg wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:19 am

Obviously the logical extension of my comment. :roll:


:jack:
Well it's the only way a country can afford it. Can't be the world's policeman AND give away free shit to the lazy people. It's one or the other, pal.
false dichotomy. :coffee:
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