Some good news on climate

[UNI88]

He’s a freedom fighter for sure.

Just like you and the other Ctrl-lefties saving America from fascism.


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[kalm]

He’s a freedom fighter for sure.

Just like you and the other Ctrl-lefties saving America from fascism.


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You’re welcome. Somebody has to save you Volkssturm from yourselves.

[houndawg]

"...from my cold dead hands!"


We have an induction type electric stove and they're the shit, instantaneous adjustment. I think you're going to see plenty of voluntary transition

[GannonFan]

"...from my cold dead hands!"


We have an induction type electric stove and they're the shit, instantaneous adjustment. I think you're going to see plenty of voluntary transition

Gotta come down in price, though, still way too expensive versus the gas stoves. Plus for folks with gas stoves there's the cost to cap the gas line and potentially install the electric for the new stove that wouldn't be there (or at least be able to increase the breaker size). I'll do it eventually, but I may also sell the house first (maybe the next 10 years) before I get around to getting a new stove.

[houndawg]

"...from my cold dead hands!"


We have an induction type electric stove and they're the shit, instantaneous adjustment. I think you're going to see plenty of voluntary transition

Gotta come down in price, though, still way too expensive versus the gas stoves. Plus for folks with gas stoves there's the cost to cap the gas line and potentially install the electric for the new stove that wouldn't be there (or at least be able to increase the breaker size). I'll do it eventually, but I may also sell the house first (maybe the next 10 years) before I get around to getting a new stove.

True they aren't cheap yet and you need the right cookware, but if you haven't used one yet you're going to be surprised at the control you have, every bit as responsive as gas boil a tea kettle in 3 min and the instant, well there is a slight latency, no more than half a second from turning it down until the whistling stops

[GannonFan]

Gotta come down in price, though, still way too expensive versus the gas stoves. Plus for folks with gas stoves there's the cost to cap the gas line and potentially install the electric for the new stove that wouldn't be there (or at least be able to increase the breaker size). I'll do it eventually, but I may also sell the house first (maybe the next 10 years) before I get around to getting a new stove.

True they aren't cheap yet and you need the right cookware, but if you haven't used one yet you're going to be surprised at the control you have, every bit as responsive as gas boil a tea kettle in 3 min and the instant, well there is a slight latency, no more than half a second from turning it down until the whistling stops

We use induction heating in a lot of applications at work so I'm well familiar with them. I think they'll be plenty fine, as long as we're good with the electrical generation/consumption that will be required - they do require some power to function. As for the latency mention, the whistling from a tea kettle is from the vapor pressure of the boiling water. Just cutting the power isn't going to cut the whistling in an instant - the water is still at boiling temperature even if you cut off the heating power. That's probably just a function of your tea kettle having a whistle that needs a lot of pressure to whistle. My tea kettle on my gas range takes a second or two to stop when I cut the gas off, but I had one before this, same gas range, that took several seconds to stop whistling. It's a tea kettle thing.

And I'm fine with buying new cookware (assuming the ones I have aren't already induction ready). People should really replace their cookware more often anyway - that's where the real health issues arise. That probably swamps any health issues from burning gas.

[houndawg]

True they aren't cheap yet and you need the right cookware, but if you haven't used one yet you're going to be surprised at the control you have, every bit as responsive as gas boil a tea kettle in 3 min and the instant, well there is a slight latency, no more than half a second from turning it down until the whistling stops

We use induction heating in a lot of applications at work so I'm well familiar with them. I think they'll be plenty fine, as long as we're good with the electrical generation/consumption that will be required - they do require some power to function. As for the latency mention, the whistling from a tea kettle is from the vapor pressure of the boiling water. Just cutting the power isn't going to cut the whistling in an instant - the water is still at boiling temperature even if you cut off the heating power. That's probably just a function of your tea kettle having a whistle that needs a lot of pressure to whistle. My tea kettle on my gas range takes a second or two to stop when I cut the gas off, but I had one before this, same gas range, that took several seconds to stop whistling. It's a tea kettle thing.

And I'm fine with buying new cookware (assuming the ones I have aren't already induction ready). People should really replace their cookware more often anyway - that's where the real health issues arise. That probably swamps any health issues from burning gas.

caxt iron works, aluminum doesn't

[GannonFan]

We use induction heating in a lot of applications at work so I'm well familiar with them. I think they'll be plenty fine, as long as we're good with the electrical generation/consumption that will be required - they do require some power to function. As for the latency mention, the whistling from a tea kettle is from the vapor pressure of the boiling water. Just cutting the power isn't going to cut the whistling in an instant - the water is still at boiling temperature even if you cut off the heating power. That's probably just a function of your tea kettle having a whistle that needs a lot of pressure to whistle. My tea kettle on my gas range takes a second or two to stop when I cut the gas off, but I had one before this, same gas range, that took several seconds to stop whistling. It's a tea kettle thing.

And I'm fine with buying new cookware (assuming the ones I have aren't already induction ready). People should really replace their cookware more often anyway - that's where the real health issues arise. That probably swamps any health issues from burning gas.

caxt iron works, aluminum doesn't

Yup, I'm familiar with the science of induction heating.

[houndawg]

caxt iron works, aluminum doesn't

Yup, I'm familiar with the science of induction heating.

cool! Educate me - what's the threshhold for ferric content in piece of cookware to be usable on an induction range? I ask because we have a 40 year collection of cookware that I'm sure can be mostly given away

[BDKJMU]

https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2023/02/01 ... ms-n697476

[houndawg]

True they aren't cheap yet and you need the right cookware, but if you haven't used one yet you're going to be surprised at the control you have, every bit as responsive as gas boil a tea kettle in 3 min and the instant, well there is a slight latency, no more than half a second from turning it down until the whistling stops

We use induction heating in a lot of applications at work so I'm well familiar with them. I think they'll be plenty fine, as long as we're good with the electrical generation/consumption that will be required - they do require some power to function. As for the latency mention, the whistling from a tea kettle is from the vapor pressure of the boiling water. Just cutting the power isn't going to cut the whistling in an instant - the water is still at boiling temperature even if you cut off the heating power. That's probably just a function of your tea kettle having a whistle that needs a lot of pressure to whistle. My tea kettle on my gas range takes a second or two to stop when I cut the gas off, but I had one before this, same gas range, that took several seconds to stop whistling. It's a tea kettle thing.

And I'm fine with buying new cookware (assuming the ones I have aren't already induction ready). People should really replace their cookware more often anyway - that's where the real health issues arise. That probably swamps any health issues from burning gas.

Yes, thats true; my point is that the same kettle responds very differently to an induction range than a conventional electric range.

[Pwns]

Reality wins over fear!

[GannonFan]

Reality wins over fear!

Still doesn't fix the 40 year hole that crazed greens put us in by fearmongering on nuclear power for so long, but still a step in the right direction.

[SeattleGriz]

Why does something tell me the public won't get to see either the data or the methodology?

Science quacks.

[Winterborn]

Played with a new Bosch induction stove at the house we rented when we were in Phoenix and I wasn't impressed with them. The whine that people complain about is very much present and for the model we used anything over mid-heat it was there and became louder the higher the temp.

The noise was irritating enough that I would pass on getting one for personal use. Heating was not much faster than gas stoves I have used and outside of the ease of cleaning the surface, I didn't see the benefit considering the price tag on them.

[GannonFan]

Played with a new Bosch induction stove at the house we rented when we were in Phoenix and I wasn't impressed with them. The whine that people complain about is very much present and for the model we used anything over mid-heat it was there and became louder the higher the temp.

The noise was irritating enough that I would pass on getting one for personal use. Heating was not much faster than gas stoves I have used and outside of the ease of cleaning the surface, I didn't see the benefit considering the price tag on them.

That's interesting. Industrially, the induction heaters we have certainly hum when power is engaged, which isn't really a detriment in a manufacturing plant. It would be interesting to see/hear the ones meant for use in the home. I agree, a noisy one in the house wouldn't be terribly attractive.

[Winterborn]

Played with a new Bosch induction stove at the house we rented when we were in Phoenix and I wasn't impressed with them. The whine that people complain about is very much present and for the model we used anything over mid-heat it was there and became louder the higher the temp.

The noise was irritating enough that I would pass on getting one for personal use. Heating was not much faster than gas stoves I have used and outside of the ease of cleaning the surface, I didn't see the benefit considering the price tag on them.

That's interesting. Industrially, the induction heaters we have certainly hum when power is engaged, which isn't really a detriment in a manufacturing plant. It would be interesting to see/hear the ones meant for use in the home. I agree, a noisy one in the house wouldn't be terribly attractive.

I have been around the industry sized ones and that is a deeper hum, this was a higher pitch "buzz" that was probably towards the upper ranger of hearing (probably due to the power levels involved). If one has good hearing in that range, it is going to be hard to ignore.

That said I have only played with that one Bosch one, so not sure what the other brands are like, but now I definitely would want to try one out in the store before purchasing.

[houndawg]

Played with a new Bosch induction stove at the house we rented when we were in Phoenix and I wasn't impressed with them. The whine that people complain about is very much present and for the model we used anything over mid-heat it was there and became louder the higher the temp.

The noise was irritating enough that I would pass on getting one for personal use. Heating was not much faster than gas stoves I have used and outside of the ease of cleaning the surface, I didn't see the benefit considering the price tag on them.

That's interesting. Industrially, the induction heaters we have certainly hum when power is engaged, which isn't really a detriment in a manufacturing plant. It would be interesting to see/hear the ones meant for use in the home. I agree, a noisy one in the house wouldn't be terribly attractive.

Ours sounds like turning on your range hood

[Pwns]

Someone tell me what's worse, Donald Trump saying he's pulling out of the purely symbolic Paris Pinky Promise or the dumbass Germany closing down 3 nuclear plants? There is a correct answer.