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I apologize at the outset if there's another thread covering this. I looked at a few and even tried the search function, and found nothing.

For the first time in over 160 years, the Commandant of the Marine Corps has retired without a direct turnover of office, because the appointment has been held up by Tommy Tuberville. The same thing is about to happen to the Army, and is already affecting something like 260+ appointments on a varietyof levels. His rationale? Punishment over DoD policy allowing coverage of abortion trips across state lines.

I'm not sure how Tuberville has the individual power to hold up ANYTHING in the Senate. (Is he a committee chair or something?) This may sound wishy-washy, but here's my take on this whole mess:

1. As a Conservative, I wholeheartedly agree that subsidizing cross-state travel for abortion is wrong. If cross-state travel is illegal for pervs wanting underage action, it should be illegal for murder, too. Yes, abortion is murder.

2. As a veteran and a current member of the Defence establishment, I highly disagree with Tuberville's method of forcing this discussion. Some have brought up the idea that our national security is at stake, and I agree with them. The correct way to deal with this is to write a law about it, not by holding up high-level appointments. The problem, of course, is that while such a bill could get through the House as things currently stand, it's highly unlikely to make it through the Senate, and even if it did, the margins would preclude the obvious required veto override that will come about because Biden is horrible when it comes to values decisions of this nature.

Is that wishy-washy enough for you?

Tuberville’s 2004 Auburn team definitely got screwed. Finished 13-0 and didn’t get to play in the BCS Title game. The BCS was BS….

Tubby is a Manchurian candidate communist sympathizer attempting to weaken the US military.


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UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:14 pm Tubby is a Manchurian candidate communist sympathizer attempting to weaken the US military.


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Did you serve?

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:17 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:14 pm Tubby is a Manchurian candidate communist sympathizer attempting to weaken the US military.


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Did you serve?

How does that have anything to do with this? Is he not allowed to have an opinion on our military unless he served?

Imagine being such a hypocrite that you deny our military the same medical benefits he enjoys while claiming to support them.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:17 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:14 pm Tubby is a Manchurian candidate communist sympathizer attempting to weaken the US military.


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Did you serve?

Custom dictates that when we want to change the subject we go start a different thread about that subject, SG.

Watching you pretzel from Patriotic Backer of the Blue into America Hating COMSYMP mouthpiece for Putin has been amusing as fuck.

I'm terrified. I'll feel a lot safer once our first ever gender fluid Commandant is hired.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:17 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:14 pm Tubby is a Manchurian candidate communist sympathizer attempting to weaken the US military.


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Did you serve?

Did Tommy Tupperware?

bobbythekidd wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:29 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:17 pm

Did you serve?

How does that have anything to do with this? Is he not allowed to have an opinion on our military unless he served?

Imagine being such a hypocrite that you deny our military the same medical benefits he enjoys while claiming to support them.

You probably didn't see it, but UNI and I have an agreement. Whatever stance we individually take, the other must argue with them. That's why my reply was so random.

Now, as to Tuberville focusing on abortions, let's hear your take on using abortion as birth control.

houndawg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:37 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:17 pm

Did you serve?

Did Tommy Tupperware?

Those who get to make the rules don't have to abide by the rules. How long have you been around?

SeattleGriz wrote:

bobbythekidd wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:29 am
How does that have anything to do with this? Is he not allowed to have an opinion on our military unless he served?

Imagine being such a hypocrite that you deny our military the same medical benefits he enjoys while claiming to support them.

You probably didn't see it, but UNI and I have an agreement. Whatever stance we individually take, the other must argue with them. That's why my reply was so random.

Now, as to Tuberville focusing on abortions, let's hear your take on using abortion as birth control.

You forgot to mention the Covid exception.

No I didn’t serve. My Dad died on one of the days I was meeting with the Navy recruiter. I was getting ready to be a nuclear tech before that changed the path of my life. Would you like to hear about my Grandpa who was boots down in Europe during the Big One? My Dad who was training to be a Navy pilot when WWII ended? My uncle who was a gunner on a bomber shot down over Belgium and whose image was chosen for a statute honoring the resistance and the airmen they helped escape along the Comete Line? He went on to become a HS teacher and felt guilty encouraging kids to join for Korea so he enlisted too. My other uncle who was a forward observer in Korea? My brother who was Army Airborne? My HS buddies who were a Marine officer, Marine Recon and a Navy Seal?

What is it with you defending communists who put American interests at risk?


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SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:49 am

bobbythekidd wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:29 am
How does that have anything to do with this? Is he not allowed to have an opinion on our military unless he served?

Imagine being such a hypocrite that you deny our military the same medical benefits he enjoys while claiming to support them.

You probably didn't see it, but UNI and I have an agreement. Whatever stance we individually take, the other must argue with them. That's why my reply was so random.

Now, as to Tuberville focusing on abortions, let's hear your take on using abortion as birth control.

I didn't see that agreement.

Also, I agree with you that abortion shouldn't be used as a blanket form of birth control. We have drugs wildly available at little to no cost... Currently. That's subject to change soon.

However, I can name several scenarios where it absolutely should control (prevent) a birth. I think my stance is kind of middle of the road on the issue.

Now that you have moved the goal posts a bit in your favor, it's important to note that what is at question is that military members could lose the ability to travel to get life saving care for other things from this.

Think, being able to see world class neurosurgeons, or cancer specialists, prosthetics specialists, reconstructive plastic surgeons, etc.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:03 am

SeattleGriz wrote:
You probably didn't see it, but UNI and I have an agreement. Whatever stance we individually take, the other must argue with them. That's why my reply was so random.

Now, as to Tuberville focusing on abortions, let's hear your take on using abortion as birth control.

You forgot to mention the Covid exception.

No I didn’t serve. My Dad died on one of the days I was meeting with the Navy recruiter. I was getting ready to be a nuclear tech before that changed the path of my life. Would you like to hear about my Grandpa who was boots down in Europe during the Big One? My Dad who was training to be a Navy pilot when WWII ended? My uncle who was a gunner on a bomber shot down over Belgium and whose image was chosen for a statute honoring the resistance and the airmen they helped escape along the Comete Line? He went on to become a HS teacher and felt guilty encouraging kids to join for Korea so he enlisted too. My other uncle who was a forward observer in Korea? My brother who was Army Airborne? My HS buddies who were a Marine officer, Marine Recon and a Navy Seal?

What is it with you defending communists who put American interests at risk?


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*Serious shade alert*

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:03 am

SeattleGriz wrote:
You probably didn't see it, but UNI and I have an agreement. Whatever stance we individually take, the other must argue with them. That's why my reply was so random.

Now, as to Tuberville focusing on abortions, let's hear your take on using abortion as birth control.

You forgot to mention the Covid exception.

No I didn’t serve. My Dad died on one of the days I was meeting with the Navy recruiter. I was getting ready to be a nuclear tech before that changed the path of my life. Would you like to hear about my Grandpa who was boots down in Europe during the Big One? My Dad who was training to be a Navy pilot when WWII ended? My uncle who was a gunner on a bomber shot down over Belgium and whose image was chosen for a statute honoring the resistance and the airmen they helped escape along the Comete Line? He went on to become a HS teacher and felt guilty encouraging kids to join for Korea so he enlisted too. My other uncle who was a forward observer in Korea? My brother who was Army Airborne? My HS buddies who were a Marine officer, Marine Recon and a Navy Seal?

What is it with you defending communists who put American interests at risk?


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That's nucular!

Sorry to hear you've lost so much due to war, but thank you for being a military family. While nowhere near your family's experience, I come from a long line of people who served.

bobbythekidd wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:20 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:49 am

You probably didn't see it, but UNI and I have an agreement. Whatever stance we individually take, the other must argue with them. That's why my reply was so random.

Now, as to Tuberville focusing on abortions, let's hear your take on using abortion as birth control.

I didn't see that agreement.

Also, I agree with you that abortion shouldn't be used as a blanket form of birth control. We have drugs wildly available at little to no cost... Currently. That's subject to change soon.

However, I can name several scenarios where it absolutely should control (prevent) a birth. I think my stance is kind of middle of the road on the issue.

Now that you have moved the goal posts a bit in your favor, it's important to note that what is at question is that military members could lose the ability to travel to get life saving care for other things from this.

Think, being able to see world class neurosurgeons, or cancer specialists, prosthetics specialists, reconstructive plastic surgeons, etc.

Can you please expand on your last paragraph and how that relates to terminating an unwanted pregnancy?

I do appreciate your "every life matters...except the life of the baby" reasoning though.

By the way, I do appreciate your level headed responses and need to work better at not treating you like the norm on this board where we try to beat each other over the head, as above with the dig.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:50 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:37 am

Did Tommy Tupperware?

Those who get to make the rules don't have to abide by the rules. How long have you been around?

You're the one that seems to think it matters.

Take a few days off and work on your chops - they need to come up quite a bit if you're going to try to sell that feeble act.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:19 am

bobbythekidd wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:20 am I didn't see that agreement.

Also, I agree with you that abortion shouldn't be used as a blanket form of birth control. We have drugs wildly available at little to no cost... Currently. That's subject to change soon.

However, I can name several scenarios where it absolutely should control (prevent) a birth. I think my stance is kind of middle of the road on the issue.

Now that you have moved the goal posts a bit in your favor, it's important to note that what is at question is that military members could lose the ability to travel to get life saving care for other things from this.

Think, being able to see world class neurosurgeons, or cancer specialists, prosthetics specialists, reconstructive plastic surgeons, etc.

Can you please expand on your last paragraph and how that relates to terminating an unwanted pregnancy?

Military members have always been able to travel with their expenses paid for necessary medical treatment. This is always been the case and it will continue to be the case going forward.

This is the second time you have moved the goal posts in your favor. The dumbest member of the Senate is imposing Alabama's view of abortion on the rest of the country.

I see abortion as a medical procedure that is sometimes necessary. Both for the health of the mother, or the mental well-being of the mother. In cases of rape or incest, or a non-viable fetus, abortion is a necessary medical procedure.

This is where you and I part ways. I have posted where I believe an abortion can be required and I believe it to be a medical procedure that helps the mother.

You believe that it is murder and you have no compassion for victims of rape, incest, or non-viable pregnancies. You think you stand on a moral high ground. I think you have a moral failing to allow a mother to bear either death, or the stigma of a crime.

If you want to start yet another abortion is wrong thread feel free. That's not what this is about.

bobbythekidd wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:52 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:19 am

Can you please expand on your last paragraph and how that relates to terminating an unwanted pregnancy?

Military members have always been able to travel with their expenses paid for necessary medical treatment. This is always been the case and it will continue to be the case going forward.

This is the second time you have moved the goal posts in your favor. The dumbest member of the Senate is imposing Alabama's view of abortion on the rest of the country.

I see abortion as a medical procedure that is sometimes necessary. Both for the health of the mother, or the mental well-being of the mother. In cases of rape or incest, or a non-viable fetus, abortion is a necessary medical procedure.

This is where you and I part ways. I have posted where I believe an abortion can be required and I believe it to be a medical procedure that helps the mother.

You believe that it is murder and you have no compassion for victims of rape, incest, or non-viable pregnancies. You think you stand on a moral high ground. I think you have a moral failing to allow a mother to bear either death, or the stigma of a crime.

If you want to start yet another abortion is wrong thread feel free. That's not what this is about.

No. Not at all, but your argument that it's needed for extenuating circumstances is in the tiny minority. Abortion is used as "too late" contraception for the vast majority. You are committing the logical fallacy of appealing to extremes.

The news piece I read simply said Tuberville was denying appointments due to abortion. If there is a more comprehensive link you'd like to provide, I'd read it. Then we can talk more apples to apples.

I actually am fine with abortion in general, because it's here to stay, but prefer it be done as early as possible. When you get your ultrasound done at 13 weeks and they can tell you the sex of the baby, I'd say that is too late. The day after pill, as long as it's used the day after, seems like a great middle ground option. Better yet, before the fact contraception is cheap, if not free in the military.

bobbythekidd wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:52 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:19 am
Can you please expand on your last paragraph and how that relates to terminating an unwanted pregnancy?

Military members have always been able to travel with their expenses paid for necessary medical treatment. This is always been the case and it will continue to be the case going forward.

This is the second time you have moved the goal posts in your favor. The dumbest member of the Senate is imposing Alabama's view of abortion on the rest of the country.

I see abortion as a medical procedure that is sometimes necessary. Both for the health of the mother, or the mental well-being of the mother. In cases of rape or incest, or a non-viable fetus, abortion is a necessary medical procedure.

This is where you and I part ways. I have posted where I believe an abortion can be required and I believe it to be a medical procedure that helps the mother.

You believe that it is murder and you have no compassion for victims of rape, incest, or non-viable pregnancies. You think you stand on a moral high ground. I think you have a moral failing to allow a mother to bear either death, or the stigma of a crime.

If you want to start yet another abortion is wrong thread feel free. That's not what this is about.

And that is the crux.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:11 am

bobbythekidd wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:52 am
Military members have always been able to travel with their expenses paid for necessary medical treatment. This is always been the case and it will continue to be the case going forward.

This is the second time you have moved the goal posts in your favor. The dumbest member of the Senate is imposing Alabama's view of abortion on the rest of the country.

I see abortion as a medical procedure that is sometimes necessary. Both for the health of the mother, or the mental well-being of the mother. In cases of rape or incest, or a non-viable fetus, abortion is a necessary medical procedure.

This is where you and I part ways. I have posted where I believe an abortion can be required and I believe it to be a medical procedure that helps the mother.

You believe that it is murder and you have no compassion for victims of rape, incest, or non-viable pregnancies. You think you stand on a moral high ground. I think you have a moral failing to allow a mother to bear either death, or the stigma of a crime.

If you want to start yet another abortion is wrong thread feel free. That's not what this is about.

No. Not at all, but your argument that it's needed for extenuating circumstances is in the tiny minority. Abortion is used as "too late" contraception for the vast majority. You are committing the logical fallacy of appealing to extremes.

The news piece I read simply said Tuberville was denying appointments due to abortion. If there is a more comprehensive link you'd like to provide, I'd read it. Then we can talk more apples to apples.

I actually am fine with abortion in general, because it's here to stay, but prefer it be done as early as possible. When you get your ultrasound done at 13 weeks and they can tell you the sex of the baby, I'd say that is too late. The day after pill, as long as it's used the day after, seems like a great middle ground option. Better yet, before the fact contraception is cheap, if not free in the military.

Bingo.

BDKJMU wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:11 am No. Not at all, but your argument that it's needed for extenuating circumstances is in the tiny minority. Abortion is used as "too late" contraception for the vast majority. You are committing the logical fallacy of appealing to extremes.

The news piece I read simply said Tuberville was denying appointments due to abortion. If there is a more comprehensive link you'd like to provide, I'd read it. Then we can talk more apples to apples.

I actually am fine with abortion in general, because it's here to stay, but prefer it be done as early as possible. When you get your ultrasound done at 13 weeks and they can tell you the sex of the baby, I'd say that is too late. The day after pill, as long as it's used the day after, seems like a great middle ground option. Better yet, before the fact contraception is cheap, if not free in the military.

Bingo.

Do they or have they ever covered Viagra or similar?


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UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:22 pm

BDKJMU wrote: Bingo.

Do they or have they ever covered Viagra or similar?


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They shouldn’t.

Course they shouldn’t need it. Going by the below, only about 8% of the military over the age of 40.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/232 ... el-by-age/
What percent over 50? Maybe 2%? mas or menos. Over the age of 60 is probably only a tiny fraction of 1%..

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:22 pm

BDKJMU wrote: Bingo.

Do they or have they ever covered Viagra or similar?


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Thought I just read the DOD spends $41 million on Viagra. Just glanced, so could be wrong.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:09 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:22 pm

Do they or have they ever covered Viagra or similar?


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They shouldn’t.

Course they shouldn’t need it. Going by the below, only about 8% of the military over the age of 40.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/232 ... el-by-age/
What percent over 50? Maybe 2%? mas or menos. Over the age of 60 is probably only a tiny fraction of 1%..

So it should be a relatively small expense. But why not provide it? There are many drugs that older adults need.

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:21 am

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:09 pm
They shouldn’t.

Course they shouldn’t need it. Going by the below, only about 8% of the military over the age of 40.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/232 ... el-by-age/
What percent over 50? Maybe 2%? mas or menos. Over the age of 60 is probably only a tiny fraction of 1%..

So it should be a relatively small expense. But why not provide it? There are many drugs that older adults need.

Depends whether you consider $41 million a small expense.

https://100percentfedup.com/lawmaker-qu ... on-viagra/