2024 SCOTUS Rulings Thread

[BDKJMU]

Don’t have a 2024 thread. Not a ruling, but Justice Diversity Hire strikes again.

[houndawg]

Don’t have a 2024 thread. Not a ruling, but Justice Diversity Hire strikes again.

they should give the bump stocks away free at Modern Country concerts, in a month 50% of the semi-auto rifles in the nation would have cooked barrels.

[BDKJMU]

Don’t have a 2024 thread. Not a ruling, but Justice Diversity Hire strikes again.

they should give the bump stocks away free at Modern Country concerts, in a month 50% of the semi-auto rifles in the nation would have cooked barrels.

Lol no they wouldn’t. Not too many dumbasses that would blow through enough rounds in a brief enough period to cook the barrels.

[houndawg]

they should give the bump stocks away free at Modern Country concerts, in a month 50% of the semi-auto rifles in the nation would have cooked barrels.

Lol no they wouldn’t. Not too many dumbasses that would blow through enough rounds in a brief enough period to cook the barrels.

wrong.

Plenty of dumbasses and the barrels are lighter in the civilian models.

[UNI88]

Even the Supreme Court’s Conservatives Are Fed Up With the Garbage Coming Out of the 5th Circuit

Doughty, it turns out, grievously butchered the record to reach his conclusion. An exhaustive analysis by Mike Masnick proves that Doughty consistently misrepresented testimony and other evidence in the record to construct a conspiracy theory with zero basis in reality. He distorted emails and other exchanges to make them look coercive when they were nothing of the sort, cherry-picking and rearranging quotations to put them in a censorious light. Yet the hard-right U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, where law goes to die, affirmed Doughty’s conclusions and upheld much of his injunction (while narrowing it in part). That move sent the administration racing to the Supreme Court for an emergency stay, which it granted in October, over the dissents of Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Clarence Thomas. Monday’s arguments confirmed that a majority is prepared to side with Biden on the merits.

The justices did not sound happy to have the case before them. Justice Sonia Sotomayor scolded Louisiana Solicitor General Benjamin Aguiñaga (a former Alito clerk) for his lack of candor. “I have such a problem with your brief,” she told him. “You omit information that changes the context of some of your claims. You attribute things to people who it didn’t happen to.” Aguiñaga was unable to defend Doughty’s more extreme deceptions. So he had to fall back on what Justice Elena Kagan called an “extremely expansive” argument: the notion that “encouraging people to suppress their own speech” violates the First Amendment, even if it isn’t coercive. Kagan drew upon her past work in the executive branch to explain that, actually, government officials do this all the time. “I’ve had some experience encouraging press to suppress their own speech,” Kagan told Aguiñaga. Example: “You just wrote a bad editorial. Here are the five reasons you shouldn’t write another one.” Is that really unconstitutional?

Are clowns like Doughty the reason that people think we can't trust any judge who doesn't think like they do?

How would Doughty and others react if trump were reelected in 2024 and liberals turned the tables, using his rulings to keep the trump administration from trying to influence FaceBook and other social media providers?

[houndawg]

Even the Supreme Court’s Conservatives Are Fed Up With the Garbage Coming Out of the 5th Circuit

Doughty, it turns out, grievously butchered the record to reach his conclusion. An exhaustive analysis by Mike Masnick proves that Doughty consistently misrepresented testimony and other evidence in the record to construct a conspiracy theory with zero basis in reality. He distorted emails and other exchanges to make them look coercive when they were nothing of the sort, cherry-picking and rearranging quotations to put them in a censorious light. Yet the hard-right U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, where law goes to die, affirmed Doughty’s conclusions and upheld much of his injunction (while narrowing it in part). That move sent the administration racing to the Supreme Court for an emergency stay, which it granted in October, over the dissents of Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Clarence Thomas. Monday’s arguments confirmed that a majority is prepared to side with Biden on the merits.

The justices did not sound happy to have the case before them. Justice Sonia Sotomayor scolded Louisiana Solicitor General Benjamin Aguiñaga (a former Alito clerk) for his lack of candor. “I have such a problem with your brief,” she told him. “You omit information that changes the context of some of your claims. You attribute things to people who it didn’t happen to.” Aguiñaga was unable to defend Doughty’s more extreme deceptions. So he had to fall back on what Justice Elena Kagan called an “extremely expansive” argument: the notion that “encouraging people to suppress their own speech” violates the First Amendment, even if it isn’t coercive. Kagan drew upon her past work in the executive branch to explain that, actually, government officials do this all the time. “I’ve had some experience encouraging press to suppress their own speech,” Kagan told Aguiñaga. Example: “You just wrote a bad editorial. Here are the five reasons you shouldn’t write another one.” Is that really unconstitutional?

Are clowns like Doughty the reason that people think we can't trust any judge who doesn't think like they do?

How would Doughty and others react if trump were reelected in 2024 and liberals turned the tables, using his rulings to keep the trump administration from trying to influence FaceBook and other social media providers?

Not SCOTUS but....Aileen Cannon - is she deliberately trying to get herself removed from the case or is she a true believer?

[kalm]

I’ve learned over the years not get all bent about oral arguments and questions asked by judges. It’s the legal version of campaign horserace.

But hot damn there are some dumb, wildly hypocritical right wing partisan hack judges on the SCOTUS.

[houndawg]

Don’t have a 2024 thread. Not a ruling, but Justice Diversity Hire strikes again.

Just have BATF expand the FFL category to include high-capacity semi-autos, a simple solution thay infringes on nobody

[BDKJMU]

Don’t have a 2024 thread. Not a ruling, but Justice Diversity Hire strikes again.

Just have BATF expand the FFL category to include high-capacity semi-autos, a simple solution thay infringes on nobody

And no matter how many times you repeat it, you’re still wrong.

A simpler solition. Disband the ATF. If you don’t like high capacity semi autos, don’t buy one. If you do like them, buy lots. After all, its a free country

[houndawg]

Just have BATF expand the FFL category to include high-capacity semi-autos, a simple solution thay infringes on nobody

And no matter how many times you repeat it, you’re still wrong.

A simpler solition. Disband the ATF. If you don’t like high capacity semi autos, don’t buy one. If you do like them, buy lots. After all, its a free country

False dichotomy, bro.

I'm a big fan of them personally - the problem is being downrange from one when downrange means a classroom/schoolyard or a country music show.

[BDKJMU]

And no matter how many times you repeat it, you’re still wrong.

A simpler solition. Disband the ATF. If you don’t like high capacity semi autos, don’t buy one. If you do like them, buy lots. After all, its a free country

False dichotomy, bro.

I'm a big fan of them personally - the problem is being downrange from one when downrange means a classroom/schoolyard or a country music show.

And if current gun and mental health laws were enforced, most of those shootings wouldn’t have happend.

[houndawg]

False dichotomy, bro.

I'm a big fan of them personally - the problem is being downrange from one when downrange means a classroom/schoolyard or a country music show.

And if current gun and mental health laws were enforced, most of those shootings wouldn’t have happend.

But we didn't fund adequately because its "too expensive" and makes republicans cry.

Best thing to do to force some action is to show the photos from Uvalde - show the folks at home what an AR does to a 60lb kid.

[BDKJMU]

And if current gun and mental health laws were enforced, most of those shootings wouldn’t have happend.

But we didn't fund adequately because its "too expensive" and makes republicans cry.

Best thing to do to force some action is to show the photos from Uvalde - show the folks at home what an AR does to a 60lb kid.

[BDKJMU]

And if current gun and mental health laws were enforced, most of those shootings wouldn’t have happend.

But we didn't fund adequately because its "too expensive" and makes republicans cry.

Best thing to do to force some action is to show the photos from Uvalde - show the folks at home what an AR does to a 60lb kid.

At very close range, a much bigger, slower JHP round from a handgun (semi auto or revolver) would do worse. Or from a 12 gauge shooting 00 buck..

About 90% of all lethal shootings are done with handguns. Only about 10% longguns, and those black and scary looking MSRs are only about 1/3 of that. But that’s what gets all the attention of all the anti gun whiney little bitches..

[BDKJMU]

Don’t have a 2024 thread. Not a ruling, but Justice Diversity Hire strikes again.

Just have BATF expand the FFL category to include high-capacity semi-autos, a simple solution thay infringes on nobody

As I said last year:
-It wouldn’t pass the current Congress . Not even remotely close.
-It wouldn’t pass the current courts. Not even remotely close.

ATF only handles a few hundred thousand FFL and tax stamps application packets (along with corresponding backgroud investigations) per year. And the wait times on those is like 6 months. If the ATF had to do an FFL packet for the tens of millions of semi auto owners and a tax stamp packet for bundreds of millions of semi autos (the tax stamp is per gun, suppressor, etc), it would take them DECADES to process.

Then the ATF couldn’t handle the conpliance checks on 50 million or ao new FFL/tax stamp holders. Better redirect those 600k new IRS agents to the ATF.

ZERO %. chance of happening in our lifetimes.

But even if your fantasy could somehow come true, tens of millions of gun owners would ignore it. Govt couldn’t do anything about mass non compliance.

And it would disproportionately affect the 2A rights of poor and minority people. Why are you against poor people and racist?

[houndawg]

But we didn't fund adequately because its "too expensive" and makes republicans cry.

Best thing to do to force some action is to show the photos from Uvalde - show the folks at home what an AR does to a 60lb kid.

you mad bro?:lol:

[houndawg]

But we didn't fund adequately because its "too expensive" and makes republicans cry.

Best thing to do to force some action is to show the photos from Uvalde - show the folks at home what an AR does to a 60lb kid.

At very close range, a much bigger, slower JHP round from a handgun (semi auto or revolver) would do worse. Or from a 12 gauge shooting 00 buck..

About 90% of all lethal shootings are done with handguns. Only about 10% longguns, and those black and scary looking MRSs are only about 1/3 of that. But that’s what gets all the attention of all the anti gun whiney little bitches..

Best tool available to a civilian who needs to kill a lot of people in a short time unless you have access to explosives

[kalm]

Originalist Brett Kavanaugh maintaining his consistency.

[Caribbean Hen]

I’ve learned over the years not get all bent about oral arguments and questions asked by judges. It’s the legal version of campaign horserace.

But hot damn there are some dumb, wildly hypocritical right wing partisan hack judges on the SCOTUS.

I hate to say it, but the dumbest judge is the Puerto Rican one

sad but true

[BDKJMU]

Just have BATF expand the FFL category to include high-capacity semi-autos, a simple solution thay infringes on nobody

As I said last year:
-It wouldn’t pass the current Congress . Not even remotely close.
-It wouldn’t pass the current courts. Not even remotely close.

ATF only handles a few hundred thousand FFL and tax stamps application packets (along with corresponding backgroud investigations) per year. And the wait times on those is like 6 months. If the ATF had to do an FFL packet for the tens of millions of semi auto owners and a tax stamp packet for bundreds of millions of semi autos (the tax stamp is per gun, suppressor, etc), it would take them DECADES to process.

Then the ATF couldn’t handle the conpliance checks on 50 million or ao new FFL/tax stamp holders. Better redirect those 600k new IRS agents to the ATF.

ZERO %. chance of happening in our lifetimes.

2020 article. And the numbers (firearms owners, civilian owned firearms, including MSRs, have increased substantially since then (democrat admins are great for gun sales)):

“Expect next to zero compliance with a registration effort for legacy MSR owners,” said Brian Rafn, a recently retired gun industry analyst from Morgan Dempsey whose family owns shares in Sturm, Ruger. “I would expect class-action lawsuits and injunctions against any attempts to list MSR rifles under NFA regulations.”
He estimates there are 94 million to 97 million gun owners in America, with a “civilian gun arsenal” totaling 578 million firearms. This includes some 10 million owners of 17 million to 20 million assault rifles.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aaronsmith ... f62cb83882

It isn’t happening in our lifetimes due to the courts, the sheer #s that ATF couldn’t handle, and the mass non compliance of gun owners, with zero cooperation from red state state law enforcement, and red locality local law enforcement.

[UNI88]

Trump immunity fight turns Supreme Court textualists topsy-turvy

Two years ago, conservatives relied on a strict interpretation of the Constitution’s text and original meaning to overturn the federal right to abortion. But on Thursday, as they debated whether Trump can be prosecuted for his bid to subvert the 2020 election, they seemed content to engage in a free-form balancing exercise where they weighed competing interests and practical consequences.

Some critics said the conservative justices — all of whom purport to adhere to an original understanding of the Constitution — appeared to be on the verge of fashioning a legal protection for former presidents based on the justices’ subjective assessment of what’s best for the country and not derived from the nation’s founding document.

I'm sure they and the MAQA yahoos who want this will twist themselves into human pretzels to try and justify the hypocrisy.

The originalist approach should be used for the 2A and this or for neither.

[houndawg]

But we didn't fund adequately because its "too expensive" and makes republicans cry.

Best thing to do to force some action is to show the photos from Uvalde - show the folks at home what an AR does to a 60lb kid.

At very close range, a much bigger, slower JHP round from a handgun (semi auto or revolver) would do worse. Or from a 12 gauge shooting 00 buck..

About 90% of all lethal shootings are done with handguns. Only about 10% longguns, and those black and scary looking MSRs are only about 1/3 of that. But that’s what gets all the attention of all the anti gun whiney little bitches..

I disagree, having watched an M-16 blow right through a telephone pole at close range. They would do that in basic because at the time there was still a lot of people spreading the word that the rifle jammed easily and was unreliable in combat. According to the Drills the problem was not the M-16 it was the surplus powder for the M-14 they used in an attempt to save money, which was why they did the demonstration. You may recall from your Physics class that kinetic energy increases by the square of the velocity (mv^2/2). You can find photos of the ballistic medium used to simulate human flesh that show the kind damage done. The odds are good that some of those kids at Parkland and Uvalde were in more than one piece. Not to mention the suicide mission of expecting some deputy sheriff to confront an AR with a pistol.

[houndawg]

As I said last year:
-It wouldn’t pass the current Congress . Not even remotely close.
-It wouldn’t pass the current courts. Not even remotely close.

ATF only handles a few hundred thousand FFL and tax stamps application packets (along with corresponding backgroud investigations) per year. And the wait times on those is like 6 months. If the ATF had to do an FFL packet for the tens of millions of semi auto owners and a tax stamp packet for bundreds of millions of semi autos (the tax stamp is per gun, suppressor, etc), it would take them DECADES to process.

Then the ATF couldn’t handle the conpliance checks on 50 million or ao new FFL/tax stamp holders. Better redirect those 600k new IRS agents to the ATF.

ZERO %. chance of happening in our lifetimes.

2020 article. And the numbers (firearms owners, civilian owned firearms, including MSRs, have increased substantially since then (democrat admins are great for gun sales)):

“Expect next to zero compliance with a registration effort for legacy MSR owners,” said Brian Rafn, a recently retired gun industry analyst from Morgan Dempsey whose family owns shares in Sturm, Ruger. “I would expect class-action lawsuits and injunctions against any attempts to list MSR rifles under NFA regulations.”
He estimates there are 94 million to 97 million gun owners in America, with a “civilian gun arsenal” totaling 578 million firearms. This includes some 10 million owners of 17 million to 20 million assault rifles.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aaronsmith ... f62cb83882

It isn’t happening in our lifetimes due to the courts, the sheer #s that ATF couldn’t handle, and the mass non compliance of gun owners, with zero cooperation from red state state law enforcement, and red locality local law enforcement.

After an amnesty period when they can register them for free they're on their own - after that all you need to know is who's buying .223 ammo.