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Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:40 am It only takes 3 seconds

I know you operatives are already very familiar with Coach Saul and his socialist playbook … but which one of the plays in not in play today? None

The elitist class wants so much to control you

Healthcare

Poverty

Debt

Gun control

Welfare

Education

Religion

Class warfare perpetrated by the 4th estate

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:40 am It only takes 3 seconds

I know you operatives are already very familiar with Coach Saul and his socialist playbook … but which one of the plays in not in play today? None

The elitist class wants so much to control you

Healthcare

Poverty

Debt

Gun control

Welfare

Education

Religion

Class warfare perpetrated by the 4th estate

UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:15 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:40 am It only takes 3 seconds

I know you operatives are already very familiar with Coach Saul and his socialist playbook … but which one of the plays in not in play today? None

The elitist class wants so much to control you

Healthcare

Poverty

Debt

Gun control

Welfare

Education

Religion

Class warfare perpetrated by the 4th estate

Change the last point to "Class warfare perpetrated by social media and echo chambers" and that looks amazingly like the fascist playbook.

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:17 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:15 am

Change the last point to "Class warfare perpetrated by social media and echo chambers" and that looks amazingly like the fascist playbook.

The 4th Estate is why Echo chambers exist young man…

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:04 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:17 am

The 4th Estate is why Echo chambers exist young man…

CH, what is your definition of the 4th estate? Historically and current and whether and how it’s changed over time?

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:04 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:17 am

The 4th Estate is why Echo chambers exist young man…

CH, what is your definition of the 4th estate? Historically and current and whether and how it’s changed over time?

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:35 am

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:04 am

CH, what is your definition of the 4th estate? Historically and current and whether and how it’s changed over time?

You

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:14 pm

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:35 am

You

So you honestly don’t know what the 4th estate is do ya? Just find a phrase you fancy and throw like shit against a wall to see if it sticks…

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:53 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:14 pm

So you honestly don’t know what the 4th estate is do ya? Just find a phrase you fancy and throw like shit against a wall to see if it sticks…

And if you had any self awareness you would totally get why you are the little finger of the long arm of the fourth estate

kalm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:16 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:40 am It only takes 3 seconds

I know you operatives are already very familiar with Coach Saul and his socialist playbook … but which one of the plays in not in play today? None

The elitist class wants so much to control you

Healthcare

Poverty

Debt

Gun control

Welfare

Education

Religion

Class warfare perpetrated by the 4th estate

Saul Alinsky?

Dammit! I hate it when those “elitist” mega-corporations who own the “4th Estate” join forces with the working class!

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:53 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:14 pm

So you honestly don’t know what the 4th estate is do ya? Just find a phrase you fancy and throw like shit against a wall to see if it sticks…

And if you had any self awareness you would totally get why you are the little finger of the long arm of the fourth estate

Bobcat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:20 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:53 pm

And if you had any self awareness you would totally get why you are the little finger of the long arm of the fourth estate

Yep, hes too busy projecting then reflecting

Bobcat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:20 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:53 pm

And if you had any self awareness you would totally get why you are the little finger of the long arm of the fourth estate

Yep, hes too busy projecting then reflecting

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:59 am

Bobcat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:20 am

Yep, hes too busy projecting then reflecting

Truth

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:08 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:59 am

Truth

And ironic.

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:12 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:08 am
And ironic.

Nope

I don’t project the holier than thou attitude …

I’m here to learn but let’s be honest, Kalm is good at being wrong

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:20 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:12 am

Nope

I don’t project the holier than thou attitude …

I’m here to learn but let’s be honest, Kalm is good at being wrong

kalm is good at being wrong but he's right sometimes and he's more willing to reflect and adjust his opinions then the majority of MAQA yahoos. We won't even get into the projection aspects. It could take hours with Dr. Bench to unravel all of MAQA yahoo projections and insecurities.

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:54 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:20 am



kalm is good at being wrong but he's right sometimes and he's more willing to reflect and adjust his opinions then the majority of MAQA yahoos. We won't even get into the projection aspects. It could take hours with Dr. Bench to unravel all of MAQA yahoo projections and insecurities.

Yea I’ve seen him admit he’s wrong….Kind of

A month later we all learn he didn’t learn anything as he tries the same old plays once again

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:01 am A really good piece on why Harris should continue to embrace real populism (not the red hat type). And polling has agreed for quite some time now. More of that socialism garbage the left wants to force on you!

“Therein lies the rub: Harris’s politics, style, and coterie of confidants seem to align with Obama’s. But as Joe Biden’s VP, she was second-in-command in an administration that aspired to shepherd the country toward a post-neoliberal consensus defined by trust busting, innovative industrial policy, and a reinvigorated labor movement. And with Tim Walz at her side, she can mount a serious attempt to create a multiracial, cross-class coalition that could expand the left-liberal tent, claw back the rightward list of non-college-educated voters, and usher in a fairer economy for American workers. This is the kind of hope Obama traded on in 2008, and the kind of change he failed to deliver over his two terms. The populist mantle is hers for the taking, if she wants it. The puzzle is: Does she? Or will Harris and her campaign follow Obama and double down on corporate technocracy?

Centrists have predictably encouraged Harris to eschew the populist impulses of the current commander in chief and to moderate: New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait insists that a return to “Obamaism” can “save” the Democrats and help deliver Harris to the White House. But this advice ignores the fact that the public, on both sides of the aisle, has spent nearly 10 years pushing for a populist remake of American politics. If voters have become annoyed with the excesses of left-wing cultural politics, they have continued to embrace a left-wing economic posture. Bernie Sanders may have lost his battles for the Democratic nomination, but in some sense he won the broader ideological war. Even the right now pays lip service to fighting corporations and economic “elites.”

Harris should seize the opportunity to fully embrace left-wing populism because—despite all the punditry’s moaning about the need to “moderate”—populist policies are actually popular: 65 percent of Americans (including 40 percent of Republicans) say the federal government has a responsibility to make sure that all Americans have health care, 63 percent say that attending public colleges should be free, and another 63 percent (including 51 percent of Republicans) say that banks need to be more heavily regulated. In a country defined by spiraling cultural polarization, these are views—views that would have once been tarred as “far left”—that many of us can agree on.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... cs/679492/

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:12 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:08 am

And ironic.

Nope

I don’t project the holier than thou attitude …

I’m here to learn but let’s be honest, Kalm is good at being wrong

Bobcat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:52 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:12 am

Nope

I don’t project the holier than thou attitude …

I’m here to learn but let’s be honest, Kalm is good at being wrong

Kalm is the Joe Biden of wrong. Jordanesque

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:49 am

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:01 am A really good piece on why Harris should continue to embrace real populism (not the red hat type). And polling has agreed for quite some time now. More of that socialism garbage the left wants to force on you!

“Therein lies the rub: Harris’s politics, style, and coterie of confidants seem to align with Obama’s. But as Joe Biden’s VP, she was second-in-command in an administration that aspired to shepherd the country toward a post-neoliberal consensus defined by trust busting, innovative industrial policy, and a reinvigorated labor movement. And with Tim Walz at her side, she can mount a serious attempt to create a multiracial, cross-class coalition that could expand the left-liberal tent, claw back the rightward list of non-college-educated voters, and usher in a fairer economy for American workers. This is the kind of hope Obama traded on in 2008, and the kind of change he failed to deliver over his two terms. The populist mantle is hers for the taking, if she wants it. The puzzle is: Does she? Or will Harris and her campaign follow Obama and double down on corporate technocracy?

Centrists have predictably encouraged Harris to eschew the populist impulses of the current commander in chief and to moderate: New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait insists that a return to “Obamaism” can “save” the Democrats and help deliver Harris to the White House. But this advice ignores the fact that the public, on both sides of the aisle, has spent nearly 10 years pushing for a populist remake of American politics. If voters have become annoyed with the excesses of left-wing cultural politics, they have continued to embrace a left-wing economic posture. Bernie Sanders may have lost his battles for the Democratic nomination, but in some sense he won the broader ideological war. Even the right now pays lip service to fighting corporations and economic “elites.”

Harris should seize the opportunity to fully embrace left-wing populism because—despite all the punditry’s moaning about the need to “moderate”—populist policies are actually popular: 65 percent of Americans (including 40 percent of Republicans) say the federal government has a responsibility to make sure that all Americans have health care, 63 percent say that attending public colleges should be free, and another 63 percent (including 51 percent of Republicans) say that banks need to be more heavily regulated. In a country defined by spiraling cultural polarization, these are views—views that would have once been tarred as “far left”—that many of us can agree on.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... cs/679492/

I disagree. Her talk of price controls, down payment assistance, etc. might appeal to the progressive base but I think it will be a turn off to the moderate/centrist voters she needs to win the battleground states. I know it makes her significantly less appealing to me.

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:16 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:49 am
I disagree. Her talk of price controls, down payment assistance, etc. might appeal to the progressive base but I think it will be a turn off to the moderate/centrist voters she needs to win the battleground states. I know it makes her significantly less appealing to me.

Fair. It depends on how many populist votes comprise the moderate/centrist set. One advantage is it would suggest a possible decoupling from the neo-liberal dominance in both parties that began a bit under Biden and has continued with her VP pick. Working class economics are far more popular than tax cuts for the wealthy.