When does Biden drop out of the race?

[GannonFan]

Given the fallout from last week's debate, I don't see a viable way for Biden to stay in this race. It already seems like the Democratic Party is coming around to this as you're starting to see more and more reports behind the scenes as well as a few folks speaking publicly now that they can't continue with Biden as the nominee. So the question is, when do Biden's handlers finally realize the gig is up and they have to pull him from the race? I think you could see this happen as early as within the next week, even the next couple of days, given that it's gotten so bad.

The next question is who steps in. I can't really see any other possibility than Harris at this point. We're way too late in the game for the money to work any other way. I know she's been a Quayle-like VP so far, but this could be the moment she needs. She'd be running for her own term in office rather than 25th'ing into one of Biden's terms, and she would have the advantage of potentially being the first woman voted into the White House. That almost got Hillary in despite all of her Clinton-baggage at the time. Plus, from a pure party standpoint, the Dems could rally around her as it could set up 8 more years of Dem control of the White House if she's elected and then is able to use the advantage of the incumbency in 2028.

No one would've really thought of Harris as a real candidate, especially given her particularly poor performance in the nomination process back in 2020, but a seismic event like the President stepping down could really reset the board. You go from Trump looking like the sure winner against an obviously impaired elderly Biden to now a real competitive, knock-down, drag-out fight between a blustery Trump and a far younger opponent.

So, let's hear the guesses on when Biden bows out of this race.

[BDKJMU]

[GannonFan]

I would be shocked if he doesn't drop out of the race. There's no coming back from his debate performance and then the fallout of the past couple of days. Major news outlets that normally just parrot the Democratic message are saying he should withdraw. His explanations of international travel being the cause of his poor performance ring hollow and frankly, given that the job requires a fair amount of travel, would seem to indicate this isn't the job for him. And frankly, the spectre of a Trump presidency becoming more and more of a sure thing if Biden is his opponent has to be scaring the bejeezus out of the Democratic Party powers-to-be. And really, for any voter in any party, there's no way now that you can think Biden is any longer able to do the job of navigating us through a pretty hostile world that's out there. Heck, it's likely more hostile given that folks in other countries know that Biden isn't up for the job. We should've used the 25th a year or two ago when this became far more noticeable, but I don't think there's any getting around it now - he can't do the job now, let alone for four more years.

[BDKJMU]

Trump polls better vs Harris than vs Biden.

[kalm]

1). His handlers are the most likely to desperately keep him in the race. Their jobs and influence are on the line. People don’t like relinquishing power.

2). The establishment is fearful of an open convention which is hypocritical (democracy!) and dumb. Even a contentious one puts the Dems in the news as well as the horserace leading up to it. This would drive Trump nuts.

3). Harris polls terribly. I won’t care for any potential replacement but she would be the worst. I’m guessing Newsom. Again, a detestable pol, but charismatic and slick - which matters. He’s also skilled at debating and public persona.

4) I don’t think a Shapiro or someone similar has enough national cache yet to be viable.

[BDKJMU]

Yesterday Harris moved ahead of Biden in the betting markets. I look at Polymarket, Predictit
https://www.realclearpolling.com/bettin ... /president
and Election betting odds:
https://electionbettingodds.com/

[UNI88]

Trump polls better vs Harris than vs Biden.

I do wonder if that could shift with time and messaging.

[BDKJMU]

Trump polls better vs Harris than vs Biden.

I do wonder if that could shift with time and messaging.

As long as they don’t let her speak. Her word salad and talking to people like they are children grates on not just the right.

[GannonFan]

1). His handlers are the most likely to desperately keep him in the race. Their jobs and influence are on the line. People don’t like relinquishing power.

2). The establishment is fearful of an open convention which is hypocritical (democracy!) and dumb. Even a contentious one puts the Dems in the news as well as the horserace leading up to it. This would drive Trump nuts.

3). Harris polls terribly. I won’t care for any potential replacement but she would be the worst. I’m guessing Newsom. Again, a detestable pol, but charismatic and slick - which matters. He’s also skilled at debating and public persona.

4) I don’t think a Shapiro or someone similar has enough national cache yet to be viable.

I know his handlers are desperate - heck, they've been running the White House for the past few years so it's not even just normal influence they would lose.

As for Harris, she polls horribly now, but once the race flips and it's a young person versus an old person that could change. Trump really doesn't look all that old right now since he gets to be compared to an incredibly old looking Biden, but that changes once Biden is off to the 55+ community. And Dems are desperate to impact the SCOTUS, which they can only do through replacing retiring judges. Maybe Clarence Thomas decides not to retire if a Dem is in the White House, but I definitely see him leaving if Trump gets there. If he retires and Trump picks the replacement, that's a conservative judge in that seat for the next 20-30 years.

Shame about Shapiro - I think he has the makings to be a fabulous President. He's a lock to run in 2028 if he stays on his current trajectory, but if Harris is there running as an incumbent he'll have to wait another 4 years.

[BDKJMU]

White House is now basically saying the NYT Fake News..

But CNN is now reporting the same thing. I guess they are Fake News also.

Donks now:

[houndawg]

1). His handlers are the most likely to desperately keep him in the race. Their jobs and influence are on the line. People don’t like relinquishing power.

2). The establishment is fearful of an open convention which is hypocritical (democracy!) and dumb. Even a contentious one puts the Dems in the news as well as the horserace leading up to it. This would drive Trump nuts.

3). Harris polls terribly. I won’t care for any potential replacement but she would be the worst. I’m guessing Newsom. Again, a detestable pol, but charismatic and slick - which matters. He’s also skilled at debating and public persona.

4) I don’t think a Shapiro or someone similar has enough national cache yet to be viable.

I know his handlers are desperate - heck, they've been running the White House for the past few years so it's not even just normal influence they would lose.

As for Harris, she polls horribly now, but once the race flips and it's a young person versus an old person that could change. Trump really doesn't look all that old right now since he gets to be compared to an incredibly old looking Biden, but that changes once Biden is off to the 55+ community. And Dems are desperate to impact the SCOTUS, which they can only do through replacing retiring judges. Maybe Clarence Thomas decides not to retire if a Dem is in the White House, but I definitely see him leaving if Trump gets there. If he retires and Trump picks the replacement, that's a conservative judge in that seat for the next 20-30 years.

Shame about Shapiro - I think he has the makings to be a fabulous President. He's a lock to run in 2028 if he stays on his current trajectory, but if Harris is there running as an incumbent he'll have to wait another 4 years.

its a big story and all but minds are already made up about who we're voting against. If he isn't out there talking lucidly and taking questions, like fucking pronto then he doesn't plan to stay in the race. Regardless, I ain't voting for no felon/rapist/fraudster

[BDKJMU]

I know his handlers are desperate - heck, they've been running the White House for the past few years so it's not even just normal influence they would lose.

As for Harris, she polls horribly now, but once the race flips and it's a young person versus an old person that could change. Trump really doesn't look all that old right now since he gets to be compared to an incredibly old looking Biden, but that changes once Biden is off to the 55+ community. And Dems are desperate to impact the SCOTUS, which they can only do through replacing retiring judges. Maybe Clarence Thomas decides not to retire if a Dem is in the White House, but I definitely see him leaving if Trump gets there. If he retires and Trump picks the replacement, that's a conservative judge in that seat for the next 20-30 years.

Shame about Shapiro - I think he has the makings to be a fabulous President. He's a lock to run in 2028 if he stays on his current trajectory, but if Harris is there running as an incumbent he'll have to wait another 4 years.

its a big story and all but minds are already made up about who we're voting against. If he isn't out there talking lucidly and taking questions, like fucking pronto then he doesn't plan to stay in the race. Regardless, I ain't voting for no felon/rapist/fraudster

Well, you did for Biden.

[UNI88]

its a big story and all but minds are already made up about who we're voting against. If he isn't out there talking lucidly and taking questions, like fucking pronto then he doesn't plan to stay in the race. Regardless, I ain't voting for no felon/rapist/fraudster

Well, you did for Biden.

biden's a felon?

Your original response was more accurate.

[BDKJMU]

Well, you did for Biden.

biden's a felon?

Your original response was more accurate.

Committed felonies. From the Hur report:
“Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen.”

Had those doc for 6 years, KNEW THE WHOLE TIME he had them because he’s on tape in 2017 bragging to his ghostwriter about finding them. Worse than Trump because as Senator & VP he had no declassification authority arguement. Wasn’t prosecuted because wouldn’t get a conviction because would:
“present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”

[UNI88]

biden's a felon?

Your original response was more accurate.

Committed felonies. From the Hur report:
“Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen.”

Had those doc for 6 years, KNEW THE WHOLE TIME he had them because he’s on tape in 2017 bragging to his ghostwriter about finding them. Worse than Trump because as Senator & VP he had no declassification authority arguement. Wasn’t prosecuted because wouldn’t get a conviction because would:
“present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”

Was he convicted?

If we're to automatically take something written in the Hur report to say that biden is a felon then we need to be consistent and do the same with all of the indictments against trump. How can any red-blooded American patriot support a criminal like trump?

The reaching pretzel logic and hypocrisy is astounding. If you used similar logic against trump, SG would tell you to punch yourself in the face.

[BDKJMU]

Committed felonies. From the Hur report:
“Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen.”

Had those doc for 6 years, KNEW THE WHOLE TIME he had them because he’s on tape in 2017 bragging to his ghostwriter about finding them. Worse than Trump because as Senator & VP he had no declassification authority arguement. Wasn’t prosecuted because wouldn’t get a conviction because would:
“present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”

Was he convicted?

If we're to automatically take something written in the Hur report to say that biden is a felon then we need to be consistent and do the same with all of the indictments against trump. How can any red-blooded American patriot support a criminal like trump?

The reaching pretzel logic and hypocrisy is astounding. If you used similar logic against trump, SG would tell you to punch yourself in the face.

If a state legislature has to pass a special law greatly extending the statute of limitations for 12 months so a civil case can be brought against a candidate
and there’s Zero physical evidence
and there’s corroborating witnesses
and the accuser couldn’t even remember the year the alleged incident took place.
and observers pointed out dozens of inconsistencies in the accusers story
means voting for a sexual assaulter, then I will vote for a sexual assaulter.

If a loan is fully paid back with zero victims, in a practice that virtually every major real estate developer in the country does means voting for a fraudster, then I will vote for a fraudster.

If a misdemeanor business records charge past the statute of limitations somehow twisted into a felony means voting for a felon, then I will vote for a felon.

[kalm]

Was he convicted?

If we're to automatically take something written in the Hur report to say that biden is a felon then we need to be consistent and do the same with all of the indictments against trump. How can any red-blooded American patriot support a criminal like trump?

The reaching pretzel logic and hypocrisy is astounding. If you used similar logic against trump, SG would tell you to punch yourself in the face.

I will vote for a sexual assaulter.

I will vote for a fraudster.

I will vote for a felon.

FYP

[UNI88]

Was he convicted?

If we're to automatically take something written in the Hur report to say that biden is a felon then we need to be consistent and do the same with all of the indictments against trump. How can any red-blooded American patriot support a criminal like trump?

The reaching pretzel logic and hypocrisy is astounding. If you used similar logic against trump, SG would tell you to punch yourself in the face.

If a state legislature has to pass a special law greatly extending the statute of limitations for 12 months so a civil case can be brought against a candidate
and there’s Zero physical evidence
and there’s corroborating witnesses
and the accuser couldn’t even remember the year the alleged incident took place.
and observers pointed out dozens of inconsistencies in the accusers story
means voting for a sexual assaulter, then I will vote for a sexual assaulter.

If a loan is fully paid back with zero victims, in a practice that virtually every major real estate developer in the country does means voting for a fraudster, then I will vote for a fraudster.

If a misdemeanor business records charge past the statute of limitations somehow twisted into a felony means voting for a felon, then I will vote for a felon.

WTF are you talking about? It isn't just about some cases in NY, those were never the substantial cases. If the Hur report is to be taken literally then so do the federal and the Georgia indictments. Those cases aren't lawfare.

When Houndy posted that he "ain't voting for no felon/rapist/fraudster" you responded "well, you did for Biden." So let's review:

• Is biden a convicted felon? No.
• Is biden a rapist? I'm aware of 1 allegation of sexual assault/rape against biden. There could be more but probably not as many as the 26+ against trump.
• Is biden a fraudster? Definitely, millions made from a lifetime of supposed public service are proof enough to me. Is trump a fraudster? Definitely, the hundreds/thousands of civil lawsuits show a pattern of stiffing other, typically smaller, business owners. Add in shady/predatory ventures like trump university and it's even more obvious.

[BDKJMU]

If a state legislature has to pass a special law greatly extending the statute of limitations for 12 months so a civil case can be brought against a candidate
and there’s Zero physical evidence
and there’s corroborating witnesses
and the accuser couldn’t even remember the year the alleged incident took place.
and observers pointed out dozens of inconsistencies in the accusers story
means voting for a sexual assaulter, then I will vote for a sexual assaulter.

If a loan is fully paid back with zero victims, in a practice that virtually every major real estate developer in the country does means voting for a fraudster, then I will vote for a fraudster.

If a misdemeanor business records charge past the statute of limitations somehow twisted into a felony means voting for a felon, then I will vote for a felon.

WTF are you talking about? It isn't just about some cases in NY, those were never the substantial cases. If the Hur report is to be taken literally then so do the federal and the Georgia indictments. Those cases aren't lawfare.

When Houndy posted that he "ain't voting for no felon/rapist/fraudster" you responded "well, you did for Biden." So let's review:

• Is biden a convicted felon? No.
• Is biden a rapist? I'm aware of 1 allegation of sexual assault/rape against biden. There could be more but probably not as many as the 26+ against trump.
• Is biden a fraudster? Definitely, millions made from a lifetime of supposed public service are proof enough to me. Is trump a fraudster? Definitely, the hundreds/thousands of civil lawsuits show a pattern of stiffing other, typically smaller, business owners. Add in shady/predatory ventures like trump university and it's even more obvious.

Lawl we’ll have to agree to disagree there, esp the GA case.

I thought it was eight women have accused Biden.

[BDKJMU]

If/when Biden drops out, get ready for the donks & their allies in the MSM to try to cast Kamala as a modern day female Nelson Mandela, MLK, etc all roled into one.

[kalm]

If/when Biden drops out, get ready for the donks & their allies in the MSM to try to cast Kamala as a modern day female Nelson Mandela, MLK, etc all roled into one.

Yep and it’s already happening. Quite a bit of left on left (or more accurately Dem establishment on left) crime on Twitter right now.

Ironically, from a group who shut down a real Dem Primary and is now crying about an open convention.

Democracy is at stake!

[UNI88]

If/when Biden drops out, get ready for the donks & their allies in the MSM to try to cast Kamala as a modern day female Nelson Mandela, MLK, etc all roled into one.

And that's different from trump and Republicans trying to cast him as the regular joe's shield against the establishment (they're after you, I just happen to be standing in the way; they aren't after me, they're after you, etc.) how?

[houndawg]

its a big story and all but minds are already made up about who we're voting against. If he isn't out there talking lucidly and taking questions, like fucking pronto then he doesn't plan to stay in the race. Regardless, I ain't voting for no felon/rapist/fraudster

Well, you did for Biden.

ooops, my bad.... I should have said convicted felon/rapist/fraudster. Thanks

[houndawg]

biden's a felon?

Your original response was more accurate.

Committed felonies. From the Hur report:
“Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen.”

Had those doc for 6 years, KNEW THE WHOLE TIME he had them because he’s on tape in 2017 bragging to his ghostwriter about finding them. Worse than Trump because as Senator & VP he had no declassification authority arguement. Wasn’t prosecuted because wouldn’t get a conviction because would:
“present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”

Gibberish to English translation : the prosecutor couldn't prove his case.

[houndawg]

WTF are you talking about? It isn't just about some cases in NY, those were never the substantial cases. If the Hur report is to be taken literally then so do the federal and the Georgia indictments. Those cases aren't lawfare.

When Houndy posted that he "ain't voting for no felon/rapist/fraudster" you responded "well, you did for Biden." So let's review:

• Is biden a convicted felon? No.
• Is biden a rapist? I'm aware of 1 allegation of sexual assault/rape against biden. There could be more but probably not as many as the 26+ against trump.
• Is biden a fraudster? Definitely, millions made from a lifetime of supposed public service are proof enough to me. Is trump a fraudster? Definitely, the hundreds/thousands of civil lawsuits show a pattern of stiffing other, typically smaller, business owners. Add in shady/predatory ventures like trump university and it's even more obvious.

Lawl we’ll have to agree to disagree there, esp the GA case.

I thought it was eight women have accused Biden.

You might be confusing him with Bratt Kavanaugh.