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2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:15 pm
by BDKJMU
:lol:

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:22 pm
by UNI88
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:15 pm :lol:
They're :dunce: if they nominate harris.

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:40 pm
by Bobcat
Shes perfect for that party. Needs to be more radical though to please the mentally ill more

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:04 am
by GannonFan
Hey, maybe after 4 years she'll have an answer to the question of what she would've done differently from Biden.

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:34 am
by kalm
GannonFan wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:04 am Hey, maybe after 4 years she'll have an answer to the question of what she would've done differently from Biden.
:lol:

Well played!

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:40 am
by kalm
None of you will like hearing this but Dems need desperately to turn populist. Walz, Rho Khanna…someone along those lines, closer to a Bernie than a Gavin Newsome. Progressive populism, as Khanna calls it, from an economic standpoint is electable.

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 12:53 pm
by UNI88
kalm wrote:None of you will like hearing this but Dems need desperately to turn populist. Walz, Rho Khanna…someone along those lines, closer to a Bernie than a Gavin Newsome. Progressive populism, as Khanna calls it, from an economic standpoint is electable.
That’s a loser until they can either explain how socialism will work this time or completely hoodwink enough people like trump has.


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Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:28 pm
by kalm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 12:53 pm
kalm wrote:None of you will like hearing this but Dems need desperately to turn populist. Walz, Rho Khanna…someone along those lines, closer to a Bernie than a Gavin Newsome. Progressive populism, as Khanna calls it, from an economic standpoint is electable.
That’s a loser until they can either explain how socialism will work this time or completely hoodwink enough people like trump has.


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Agreed. That’s the challenge. But from a policy standpoint, it wins even in red states. See Missouri and other state’s passing of minimum wage increases. Or look at polling popularity on economic policies like paid family leave, bank regulations, and Medicare.

As I’ve said countless times, we are a mixed economy just like every other advanced nation. Tax rates, who gets taxed, and what government pays for with those taxes are simply a matter of degree.

Bernie’s polling numbers against Trump in 2016 suggest it can be sold or overlooked by low information voters.

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:31 pm
by UNI88
kalm wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:28 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 12:53 pm
That’s a loser until they can either explain how socialism will work this time or completely hoodwink enough people like trump has.
Agreed. That’s the challenge. But from a policy standpoint, it wins even in red states. See Missouri and other state’s passing of minimum wage increases. Or look at polling popularity on economic policies like paid family leave, bank regulations, and Medicare.

As I’ve said countless times, we are a mixed economy just like every other advanced nation. Tax rates, who gets taxed, and what government pays for with those taxes are simply a matter of degree.

Bernie’s polling numbers against Trump in 2016 suggest it can be sold or overlooked by low information voters.
Educate people about the benefit of 401(k)s and IRAs rather than chipping away at them because mostly middle class and above use them. They are a tool to wealth that all can use.

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:00 pm
by kalm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:31 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:28 pm

Agreed. That’s the challenge. But from a policy standpoint, it wins even in red states. See Missouri and other state’s passing of minimum wage increases. Or look at polling popularity on economic policies like paid family leave, bank regulations, and Medicare.

As I’ve said countless times, we are a mixed economy just like every other advanced nation. Tax rates, who gets taxed, and what government pays for with those taxes are simply a matter of degree.

Bernie’s polling numbers against Trump in 2016 suggest it can be sold or overlooked by low information voters.
Educate people about the benefit of 401(k)s and IRAs rather than chipping away at them because mostly middle class and above use them. They are a tool to wealth that all can use.
That would help but wouldn’t big banking want it all completely privatized? What would that look like?

And wages would still need to go up astronomically to afford things like family leave and health insurance. Is there trade off that could be made with employers?

And why has everyone else gone the socialized route? At least with medicine, it’s more efficient and cheaper than a private system.

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:12 pm
by BDKJMU
kalm wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:00 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:31 pm

Educate people about the benefit of 401(k)s and IRAs rather than chipping away at them because mostly middle class and above use them. They are a tool to wealth that all can use.
That would help but wouldn’t big banking want it all completely privatized? What would that look like?

And wages would still need to go up astronomically to afford things like family leave and health insurance. Is there trade off that could be made with employers?

And why has everyone else gone the socialized route? At least with medicine, it’s more efficient and cheaper than a private system.
And why do many Canadians come to the US for health care?

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:21 pm
by kalm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:12 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:00 pm

That would help but wouldn’t big banking want it all completely privatized? What would that look like?

And wages would still need to go up astronomically to afford things like family leave and health insurance. Is there trade off that could be made with employers?

And why has everyone else gone the socialized route? At least with medicine, it’s more efficient and cheaper than a private system.
And why do many Canadians come to the US for health care?
2008 called. It wants its Obamacare talking points back.

Re: 2028 Democrat Primary

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 7:48 pm
by houndawg
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:12 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:00 pm

That would help but wouldn’t big banking want it all completely privatized? What would that look like?

And wages would still need to go up astronomically to afford things like family leave and health insurance. Is there trade off that could be made with employers?

And why has everyone else gone the socialized route? At least with medicine, it’s more efficient and cheaper than a private system.
And why do many Canadians come to the US for health care?
For the same reason many Americans go to Mexico for health care..? :?

Socialized medicine is harder to do than it appears from the outside. Thats why only 32 of the planets 33 developed nations have it. :coffee: