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Aliens in the United States
Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law. The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Thus, the Court determined, even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection. Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
It would appear that illegal immigrants have a right to counsel. Is the trump regime denying some of them that right?

While I agree that we need tighten up our borders we also need to follow our laws when detaining and deporting people suspected of being in the country illegally.
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Im all for them being denied any legal proceedings.


The US Constitution should be for American citizens only. If you came here illegally you should be thrown out of the country the same way you came in. ILLEGALLY
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US Embassy in Thailand warns Americans of 'violent retaliatory attacks' risk after Uyghurs deported to China
Rubio slammed the deportations Thursday, describing it as a "forced return of at least 40 Uyghurs to China, where they lack due process rights and where Uyghurs have faced persecution, forced labor, and torture."

"As Thailand’s longstanding ally, we are alarmed by this action, which risks running afoul of its international obligations under the U.N. Convention Against Torture and the International Convention on the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance," Rubio continued. "This act runs counter to the Thai people’s longstanding tradition of protection for the most vulnerable and is inconsistent with Thailand’s commitment to protect human rights."

"We urge all governments in countries where Uyghurs seek protection not to forcibly return ethnic Uyghurs to China," he added.
No hypocrisy here right Little marco?
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Criminal illegal aliens. Waah. Cry me a river.
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:18 am
Criminal illegal aliens. Waah. Cry me a river.
You should tell Little marco to back off.
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Federal judge blocks Trump administration from deporting pro-Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil
A federal judge has blocked the Trump administration from deporting pro-Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil, who was arrested Saturday at his New York apartment by agents with Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
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Although he holds a U.S. permanent residency green card, Khalil was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents Saturday night at his university-owned apartment in Manhattan, where he and his pregnant wife live, according to his lawyer. He has since been transferred to an ICE processing facility in Central Louisiana.
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While U.S. law forbids anyone from providing “material support or resources” to terrorist organizations, a designation given to Hamas by the State Department in 1997, Khalil is not accused of doing that, and has not as yet been charged with any specific crime.

In a statement posted to X, the social media platform owned by Trump's adviser Elon Musk, the Department of Homeland Security said that “Khalil led activities aligned to Hamas, a designated terrorist organization.”

The First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the freedom of speech and the “right of the people peaceably to assemble.”

The U.S. government can revoke permanent resident status for a number of reasons, including for criminal conviction of some crimes. Since Khalil has yet to be charged with a crime, much less convicted of one, it’s unclear whether a court would side with the Trump administration in this case.
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The following is a statement from Ben Wizner, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project:
“This arrest is unprecedented, illegal, and un-American. The federal government is claiming the authority to deport people with deep ties to the U.S. and revoke their green cards for advocating positions that the government opposes. To be clear: The First Amendment protects everyone in the U.S. The government’s actions are obviously intended to intimidate and chill speech on one side of a public debate. The government must immediately return Mr. Khalil to New York, release him back to his family, and reverse course on this discriminatory policy.”
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:29 pm Federal judge blocks Trump administration from deporting pro-Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil
A federal judge has blocked the Trump administration from deporting pro-Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil, who was arrested Saturday at his New York apartment by agents with Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
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Although he holds a U.S. permanent residency green card, Khalil was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents Saturday night at his university-owned apartment in Manhattan, where he and his pregnant wife live, according to his lawyer. He has since been transferred to an ICE processing facility in Central Louisiana.
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While U.S. law forbids anyone from providing “material support or resources” to terrorist organizations, a designation given to Hamas by the State Department in 1997, Khalil is not accused of doing that, and has not as yet been charged with any specific crime.

In a statement posted to X, the social media platform owned by Trump's adviser Elon Musk, the Department of Homeland Security said that “Khalil led activities aligned to Hamas, a designated terrorist organization.”

The First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the freedom of speech and the “right of the people peaceably to assemble.”

The U.S. government can revoke permanent resident status for a number of reasons, including for criminal conviction of some crimes. Since Khalil has yet to be charged with a crime, much less convicted of one, it’s unclear whether a court would side with the Trump administration in this case.
It Sure Looks Like the Trump Admin Just Outfoxed the Judge Trying to Block Pro-Hamas Leader's Deportation
…..

….Here's where things get interesting, though, because it appears the Trump administration may have outfoxed the judge in this case. According to reports, Khalil was moved to an ICE detention center in Louisiana. Why is that important? Because while Furman issued his order based on Khalil's New York petition for habeas corpus (i.e., that he be released pending further litigation), the law requires that the petition be filed in the federal court district the subject is being held in. If Khalil isn't in New York anymore, and it seems fairly certain he isn't, then Furman has no jurisdiction over the case…..
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/03/10 ... m-n2186506
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:41 pm
It Sure Looks Like the Trump Admin Just Outfoxed the Judge Trying to Block Pro-Hamas Leader's Deportation
…..

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/03/10 ... m-n2186506
….Here's where things get interesting, though, because it appears the Trump administration may have outfoxed the judge in this case. According to reports, Khalil was moved to an ICE detention center in Louisiana. Why is that important? Because while Furman issued his order based on Khalil's New York petition for habeas corpus (i.e., that he be released pending further litigation), the law requires that the petition be filed in the federal court district the subject is being held in. If Khalil isn't in New York anymore, and it seems fairly certain he isn't, then Furman has no jurisdiction over the case…..
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/03/10 ... m-n2186506
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That's the kind of shit that an authoritarian government pulls.

Khalil has a right to due process.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:22 pm
That's the kind of shit that an authoritarian government pulls.

Khalil has a right to due process.
No it isn’t.
Grounds of Deportability: When Legal U.S. Residents Can Be Removed

….Have engaged in or appears likely to engage in terrorist activity, or has incited terrorist activity, or is a representative a terrorist organization or group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity, or are a member of a terrorist organization (unless the person proves that he had no idea of its terrorist aims), or endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to do so,….
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:11 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:22 pm
That's the kind of shit that an authoritarian government pulls.

Khalil has a right to due process.
No it isn’t.
Grounds of Deportability: When Legal U.S. Residents Can Be Removed

….Have engaged in or appears likely to engage in terrorist activity, or has incited terrorist activity, or is a representative a terrorist organization or group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity, or are a member of a terrorist organization (unless the person proves that he had no idea of its terrorist aims), or endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to do so,….
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia ... r%20status.
It isn't that cut and dried. Exercising his first amendment right and speaking up for the people of Gaza is not automatically endorsing or espousing terrorist activity. He was in the country legally and should have access to legal counsel and be given the opportunity to make his case.

Playing shell games with his location and trying to deport him without giving him that opportunity is what happens in banana republics and authoritarian regimes.

First they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out—because I was not an immigrant ...
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Hes a terrorist. No sleep lost from me on this one. Good job getting rid of garbage like this guy
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:12 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:11 pm
No it isn’t.


https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia ... r%20status.
It isn't that cut and dried. Exercising his first amendment right and speaking up for the people of Gaza is not automatically endorsing or espousing terrorist activity. He was in the country legally and should have access to legal counsel and be given the opportunity to make his case.

Playing shell games with his location and trying to deport him without giving him that opportunity is what happens in banana republics and authoritarian regimes.

First they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out—because I was not an immigrant ...
Agreed. It's been long settled that many rights we enjoy as citizens also extend to people we allow to live here (green cards for instance). This has been settled law for at least the past 70 years or so. If we want to kick this guy out of the country, we need to contend with the idea that he does have rights. We should be a country of laws, even if it takes longer to do something that we'd like it to take.
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I guarantee every single on of you border warriors would have done the same as these parents.
A family that was deported to Mexico hopes they can find a way to return to the U.S. and ensure their 10-year-old daughter, who is a U.S. citizen, can continue her brain cancer treatment.

Immigration authorities removed the girl and four of her American siblings from Texas on Feb. 4, when they deported their undocumented parents.
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kalm wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:56 am I guarantee every single on of you border warriors would have done the same as these parents.
A family that was deported to Mexico hopes they can find a way to return to the U.S. and ensure their 10-year-old daughter, who is a U.S. citizen, can continue her brain cancer treatment.

Immigration authorities removed the girl and four of her American siblings from Texas on Feb. 4, when they deported their undocumented parents.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us- ... rcna196049
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Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:16 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:56 am I guarantee every single on of you border warriors would have done the same as these parents.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us- ... rcna196049
They should be trying to get into Canada!

They have free healthcare there!
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I don't have to drive anywhere, I live in the country with the best healthcare in the world.
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kalm wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:56 am I guarantee every single on of you border warriors would have done the same as these parents.
A family that was deported to Mexico hopes they can find a way to return to the U.S. and ensure their 10-year-old daughter, who is a U.S. citizen, can continue her brain cancer treatment.

Immigration authorities removed the girl and four of her American siblings from Texas on Feb. 4, when they deported their undocumented parents.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us- ... rcna196049
Sure I don’t blame people who cross illegally looking for work, but wouldn’t have put myself in that 6 child situation over 12 years..At 1st didn’t read because I know anything with ‘undocumented’ (no such thing) in the title is lib garbage.

Article dated 3/12/25 claims the parents entered the US illegally in 2013 and stated the girl is 10. If true that means the girl was born between 3/12/14 and 3/11/15. So it’s likely the parents entered illegally when the mother was pregnant. Of course the article doesn’t address that.

So you have multiple crimes and violations here:
1.Parents entered the US illegally.
2.According to Google AI, entering the U.S. with the primary purpose of giving birth to ensure a child gains citizenship can be grounds for visa denial or deportation.
3.Remained in the US illegally.
4.Worked in the US illegally.
5.Ignored Expedited orders of removal (according to CBP in the article).
6. Doesn’t say whether either parent has used a stolen SS #, but that is often the case with people working illegally.

-According to the article 6 kids, 4 of them born in the US. Having an anchor baby is zero grounds for avoiding deportation/remaining in the US.
-The taxpayers were footing the bill for their 6 kids to attend public schools.
-Who is paying for the girl’s brain cancer treatment at a multiple 6 figure or 7 figure cost? Probably the taxpayers either through cost shifting to paying patients or $$ straight from the govt..
-Who is paying for their 15 year olds heart disorder?At at probably a 6 figure cost? Probably the taxpayers.
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This Wisconsin man voted for Trump. Now his wife sits in an ICE detention center.
Millions of Americans, including Bartell, had voted for President Donald Trump's promise to crack down on "criminal illegal immigrants." But eight weeks in, the mass deportation effort has rapidly expanded to include immigrants whose application for legal status in the country is under review.

Even those married or engaged to U.S. citizens are being detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, USA TODAY has learned.

In addition to Muñoz, USA TODAY has confirmed through attorneys, family members and documents that ICE has detained for weeks:
  • a woman in her 50s who has lived in the country more than 30 years and is married to a U.S. citizen;
  • a woman in her 30s with proof of valid permanent legal residency, whose father and siblings are U.S. citizens, and who first came to the U.S. as a teen;
  • a European woman in her 30s engaged to a U.S. citizen who overstayed her visa when she was 21;
  • a woman engaged to a U.S. legal permanent resident, with whom she has lived for nine years.
None of the women has a criminal record, according to a USA TODAY review of national law enforcement records. All were in an ongoing legal immigration process and felt comfortable enough boarding a domestic flight. Immigration agents swept each of them up at airport checkpoints in mid-February, in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
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Overstaying a visa is considered an administrative, not criminal, violation of U.S. immigration law, immigration attorneys say. It can result in a bar to returning to the U.S. for up to 10 years, or it can be lawfully forgiven, under a "waiver of unlawful presence," if the immigrant's spouse or immediate relative is a U.S. citizen.
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:51 am
UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:12 pm

It isn't that cut and dried. Exercising his first amendment right and speaking up for the people of Gaza is not automatically endorsing or espousing terrorist activity. He was in the country legally and should have access to legal counsel and be given the opportunity to make his case.

Playing shell games with his location and trying to deport him without giving him that opportunity is what happens in banana republics and authoritarian regimes.

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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:45 am
GannonFan wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:51 am
Agreed. It's been long settled that many rights we enjoy as citizens also extend to people we allow to live here (green cards for instance). This has been settled law for at least the past 70 years or so. If we want to kick this guy out of the country, we need to contend with the idea that he does have rights. We should be a contry of laws, even if it takes longer to do something that we'd like it to take.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:45 am
GannonFan wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:51 am

Agreed. It's been long settled that many rights we enjoy as citizens also extend to people we allow to live here (green cards for instance). This has been settled law for at least the past 70 years or so. If we want to kick this guy out of the country, we need to contend with the idea that he does have rights. We should be a country of laws, even if it takes longer to do something that we'd like it to take.
Well if they weren‘t US citizens the donks could have deported them.
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