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kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:47 pm Trump leaves G7 early over ME situation.

Nimitz bring hurried to the region

China warning all citizens to leave.

Trump warning citizens to leave Tehran.

Among other announcements/rumors. What’s going down tonight? Bunker busters to take out nuclear facilities? Full on massive attack to completely behead Tehran’s leadership?

Reminder…Israel started this new inflection point. You’d think they have enough on their hands. Running out of targets in Gaza?

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:45 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:47 pm Trump leaves G7 early over ME situation.

Nimitz bring hurried to the region

China warning all citizens to leave.

Trump warning citizens to leave Tehran.

Among other announcements/rumors. What’s going down tonight? Bunker busters to take out nuclear facilities? Full on massive attack to completely behead Tehran’s leadership?

Reminder…Israel started this new inflection point. You’d think they have enough on their hands. Running out of targets in Gaza?

Earlier today you seemed to get it after GF explained

Now you’ve had a complete relapse

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:28 pm

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:45 pm


Earlier today you seemed to get it after GF explained

Now you’ve had a complete relapse

Hmmm….i pointed out rumors and reports, then made a comment. Which part do you disagree with?

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:47 pm Trump leaves G7 early over ME situation.

Nimitz bring hurried to the region

China warning all citizens to leave.

Trump warning citizens to leave Tehran.

Among other announcements/rumors. What’s going down tonight? Bunker busters to take out nuclear facilities? Full on massive attack to completely behead Tehran’s leadership?

Reminder…Israel started this new inflection point. You’d think they have enough on their hands. Running out of targets in Gaza?

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:32 am

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:28 pm

Hmmm….i pointed out rumors and reports, then made a comment. Which part do you disagree with?

The comment is what commenting on

You should probably flush your “medical marijuana” down the toilet

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:47 pm Trump leaves G7 early over ME situation.

Nimitz bring hurried to the region

China warning all citizens to leave.

Trump warning citizens to leave Tehran.

Among other announcements/rumors. What’s going down tonight? Bunker busters to take out nuclear facilities? Full on massive attack to completely behead Tehran’s leadership?

Reminder…Israel started this new inflection point. You’d think they have enough on their hands. Running out of targets in Gaza?

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:32 am

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:28 pm

Hmmm….i pointed out rumors and reports, then made a comment. Which part do you disagree with?

The comment is what commenting on

You should probably flush your “medical marijuana” down the toilet

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:59 am

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:47 pm Trump leaves G7 early over ME situation.

Nimitz bring hurried to the region

China warning all citizens to leave.

Trump warning citizens to leave Tehran.

Among other announcements/rumors. What’s going down tonight? Bunker busters to take out nuclear facilities? Full on massive attack to completely behead Tehran’s leadership?

Reminder…Israel started this new inflection point. You’d think they have enough on their hands. Running out of targets in Gaza?

Israel didn't start this new inflection point. Remember, days before Israel launched any attacks the IAEA declared Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligations. In laymen's terms, Iran was working towards weapons-grade nukes and would have them in the near future. That was always going to be the game changer and that was always going to elicit a significant response from Israel, and that's what we're seeing now. Iran having nuclear weapons has always been the scenario Israel and the US were trying to stop.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iae ... 025-06-12/

With all that said, I don't think anyone, and maybe not even Israel, knew that Iran was as exposed as they have been proven to be. While it's certainly been reported on over the past year, I don't think there was a real appreciation to how effective Israel has been in terms of eliminating the threats from the proxy groups Iran has relied on to wage war against Israel - Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis have either been decimated or marginalized to a point where Israel can have a free hand to deal with Iran directly. And to dominate Iran as much militarily as Israel has done in just a few days, to the point of having complete air superiority over much of the nation, including Tehran, has to be something that very few people anticipated just a few days ago. The real chance to eliminate Iran's nuclear program is now in play, and even the idea that the revolutionary government that's been in place since the late 70's could fall is shockingly possible now as well. Those things are certainly inflection points indeed.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:59 am And to dominate Iran as much militarily as Israel has done in just a few days, to the point of having complete air superiority over much of the nation, including Tehran, has to be something that very few people anticipated just a few days ago.

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:34 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:32 am

The comment is what commenting on

You should probably flush your “medical marijuana” down the toilet

Huh?

You should probably proof read before posting.

And while weed is therapeutic for my chronic disease and my medical team is perfectly fine with it, I don’t need “medical”. I live in the free state of Washington where weed stores are as common as pizza places. Shithole states like Texas, Idaho, and Florida should join the 21st century.

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:07 am

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:34 am

Huh?

You should probably proof read before posting.

And while weed is therapeutic for my chronic disease and my medical team is perfectly fine with it, I don’t need “medical”. I live in the free state of Washington where weed stores are as common as pizza places. Shithole states like Texas, Idaho, and Florida should join the 21st century.

Why would people be flocking to Florida if it was a shithole state?

Ditch the weed and I bet you’ll feel better or at least be able to remember yesterday’s lesson

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:17 am

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:07 am

Why would people be flocking to Florida if it was a shithole state?

Ditch the weed and I bet you’ll feel better or at least be able to remember yesterday’s lesson

You really should stop displaying your ignorance in this matter, Mr. Hand.

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:40 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:59 am

Israel didn't start this new inflection point. Remember, days before Israel launched any attacks the IAEA declared Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligations. In laymen's terms, Iran was working towards weapons-grade nukes and would have them in the near future. That was always going to be the game changer and that was always going to elicit a significant response from Israel, and that's what we're seeing now. Iran having nuclear weapons has always been the scenario Israel and the US were trying to stop.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iae ... 025-06-12/

With all that said, I don't think anyone, and maybe not even Israel, knew that Iran was as exposed as they have been proven to be. While it's certainly been reported on over the past year, I don't think there was a real appreciation to how effective Israel has been in terms of eliminating the threats from the proxy groups Iran has relied on to wage war against Israel - Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis have either been decimated or marginalized to a point where Israel can have a free hand to deal with Iran directly. And to dominate Iran as much militarily as Israel has done in just a few days, to the point of having complete air superiority over much of the nation, including Tehran, has to be something that very few people anticipated just a few days ago. The real chance to eliminate Iran's nuclear program is now in play, and even the idea that the revolutionary government that's been in place since the late 70's could fall is shockingly possible now as well. Those things are certainly inflection points indeed.

Good post.

Israel DID start this new inflection point. You’re just saying it’s justified.

Considering Israel’s genocidal ambitions it should now be questioned why they can be trusted with nukes. Leadership in both countries is morally corrupt.

Dealing with Iran’s nuclear ambitions should be international.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:24 am

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:40 am

Good post.

Israel DID start this new inflection point. You’re just saying it’s justified.

Considering Israel’s genocidal ambitions it should now be questioned why they can be trusted with nukes. Leadership in both countries is morally corrupt.

Dealing with Iran’s nuclear ambitions should be international.

Semantics on the inflection point and who started it. Iran said they weren't interested in nuclear weapons, so them being flagged as in violation of that by the IAEA (an international body) is them doing something that could be considered an inflection. Israel doesn't launch this attack if Iran hadn't been in violation of their earlier pledge.

As for their "genocidal" ambitions, that's your interpretation. I have no doubt they are guilty of many crimes in Gaza, but they're probably guilty of just as many as Hamas is at the same time. It's a horrible situation and I don't have a solution for it. The Palestinians in Gaza had a chance for picking a different path when they had free elections, and they voted Hamas in, despite knowing what they are. It's the stated goal of Hamas to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth, and not strangely, that's the goal of the Islamic regime in Iran as well. October 7th was Hamas's view of Israel. Israel, for all of their faults, hasn't been as bold as to say the same versus the Palestinians nor Iran.

As for Israel having nukes, they've had them now for pretty much 50-60 years. Haven't used them and haven't tried to wipe any other country off the face of the Earth. That's something towards being trustworthy. Besides, that's the thing about non-proliferation - you can stop a country from getting nukes, but it's near impossible to get them to give them up once they have them. Ukraine is likely the only one so far to do that and look where they are now.

And sure, it should be an international thing to deal with Iran not getting nukes. But it was an international thing to stop North Korea from getting them. To stop India from getting them. To stop Pakistan from getting them. I can't blame Israel in the least for opting not to rely on an international solution to Iran not getting them.

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:02 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:24 am

Semantics on the inflection point and who started it. Iran said they weren't interested in nuclear weapons, so them being flagged as in violation of that by the IAEA (an international body) is them doing something that could be considered an inflection. Israel doesn't launch this attack if Iran hadn't been in violation of their earlier pledge.

As for their "genocidal" ambitions, that's your interpretation. I have no doubt they are guilty of many crimes in Gaza, but they're probably guilty of just as many as Hamas is at the same time. It's a horrible situation and I don't have a solution for it. The Palestinians in Gaza had a chance for picking a different path when they had free elections, and they voted Hamas in, despite knowing what they are. It's the stated goal of Hamas to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth, and not strangely, that's the goal of the Islamic regime in Iran as well. October 7th was Hamas's view of Israel. Israel, for all of their faults, hasn't been as bold as to say the same versus the Palestinians nor Iran.

As for Israel having nukes, they've had them now for pretty much 50-60 years. Haven't used them and haven't tried to wipe any other country off the face of the Earth. That's something towards being trustworthy. Besides, that's the thing about non-proliferation - you can stop a country from getting nukes, but it's near impossible to get them to give them up once they have them. Ukraine is likely the only one so far to do that and look where they are now.

And sure, it should be an international thing to deal with Iran not getting nukes. But it was an international thing to stop North Korea from getting them. To stop India from getting them. To stop Pakistan from getting them. I can't blame Israel in the least for opting not to rely on an international solution to Iran not getting them.

I’m no friend of right wing theocrats as you know so I’m not here to defend Hamas or the leaders of Iran. But you are underselling the criminal and repugnant war making of Israel.

Bibi has proven himself to be terrorist thug. Should we be supporting terrorist thugs? He also lied constantly. John Stewart ran three clips of Bibi claiming Iran was just weeks away from having the bomb. Those clips were from 2003, 2014, and 2019.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:55 am

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:02 am

I’m no friend of right wing theocrats as you know so I’m not here to defend Hamas or the leaders of Iran. But you are underselling the criminal and repugnant war making of Israel.

Bibi has proven himself to be terrorist thug. Should we be supporting terrorist thugs? He also lied constantly. John Stewart ran three clips of Bibi claiming Iran was just weeks away from having the bomb. Those clips were from 2003, 2014, and 2019.

And this time we have the IAEA, the international body you were saying needed to be involved, saying that Iran had far surpassed the enrichment limits that were in place. This isn't just Israel sounding the alarm, it's also the international community through the IAEA.

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:35 pm

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:55 am

And this time we have the IAEA, the international body you were saying needed to be involved, saying that Iran had far surpassed the enrichment limits that were in place. This isn't just Israel sounding the alarm, it's also the international community through the IAEA.

I’m not disputing the enrichment. It’s how Israel will deal with it. And us with our support of Israel. I don’t like my tax dollars going towards bombings hell out hospitals, food distribution points, journalists, aid workers, children.

Do you?

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 1:52 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:35 pm

I’m not disputing the enrichment. It’s how Israel will deal with it. And us with our support of Israel. I don’t like my tax dollars going towards bombings hell out hospitals, food distribution points, journalists, aid workers, children.

Do you?

I don't like it either. But I don't think pulling our tax dollars out and leaving Israel on their own is the right answer either. Hamas is just as guilty of bombing hospitals, food distribution points, etc as Israel is. For everything you castigate Israel for Hamas is just as guilty. We pull back from Israel and that could allow the Hamas's of the world to follow through on their very public plans to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth (again, something that Israel has not said they'd do for any of their enemies). I don't see how that's a better solution.

But as for Iran, so you agree that they are moving towards a nuclear weapon, and you're just good with that? Again, what international pressure has kept other recent nuclear entrants from getting the bomb? The last 3 countries to get the bomb did so anyway in the face of international pressure. What makes you think the 4th time's the charm?