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The constitution no longer has any meaning what-so-ever!!!

Wisconsin police can attach GPS to cars to secretly track someone's movements without obtaining search warrants, an appeals court ruled Thursday.

However, the District 4 Court of Appeals said it was "more than a little troubled" by that conclusion and asked Wisconsin lawmakers to regulate GPS use to protect against abuse by police and private individuals.

As the law currently stands, the court said police can mount GPS on cars to track people without violating their constitutional rights — even if the drivers aren't suspects.

http://www.twincities.com/wisconsin/ci_12322300

grizzaholic wrote:The constitution no longer has any meaning what-so-ever!!!

Wisconsin police can attach GPS to cars to secretly track someone's movements without obtaining search warrants, an appeals court ruled Thursday.

However, the District 4 Court of Appeals said it was "more than a little troubled" by that conclusion and asked Wisconsin lawmakers to regulate GPS use to protect against abuse by police and private individuals.

As the law currently stands, the court said police can mount GPS on cars to track people without violating their constitutional rights — even if the drivers aren't suspects.

http://www.twincities.com/wisconsin/ci_12322300

whoa... not cool. not cool at all. Wisco needs to get this fixed... and more likely the feds need to legislate against it without a warrant... *shudder* that's f'ing creepy.

Then we need gps units on the cop cars as well, can keep track of 'em right here on al gore's internet.

Cap'n cat wouldn't need to keep his finger on the "empty trash bin" icon all the time anymore.

I cannot wait for Cap'n's spin on this

What's with the "Cap'n Cat Sharpest Poster Award" sigs? That's like broadcasting you're proud of having the Herp.

JMU DJ wrote:What's with the "Cap'n Cat Sharpest Poster Award" sigs? That's like broadcasting you're proud of having the Herp.

What's with the phillies, trenchmouth is in??

*shrug*
following/tracking a car is not a "search".
it's not really all that different than having an unmarked car tail a vehicle.
'tis just cheaper.

JMU DJ wrote:What's with the "Cap'n Cat Sharpest Poster Award" sigs? That's like broadcasting you're proud of having the Herp.

What it tells me is that they are starving for approval.

The Cap'n likes me, he really really likes me...

BlueHen86 wrote:

JMU DJ wrote:What's with the "Cap'n Cat Sharpest Poster Award" sigs? That's like broadcasting you're proud of having the Herp.

What it tells me is that they are starving for approval.

The Cap'n likes me, he really really likes me...

Hey, it's our own little cult within a cult. If I were some of you fuckers, I'd be workin' my ass off trying to get into what is, in reality,

CS.com MENSA!

JayJ79 wrote:*shrug*
following/tracking a car is not a "search".
it's not really all that different than having an unmarked car tail a vehicle.
'tis just cheaper.

lemming

Cap'n Cat's take?

Read about this today online. I'm a deep, dark, don't-tread-on-me borderline Libertarian when it comes to cops and gov't "interference", but I don't find this to be unnecessarily intrusive. I don't like the police, but I respect them and the fact that they have a tough, tough job trying to execute their tasks.

Cap'n Cat wrote:Cap'n Cat's take?

Read about this today online. I'm a deep, dark, don't-tread-on-me borderline Libertarian when it comes to cops and gov't "interference", but I don't find this to be unnecessarily intrusive. I don't like the police, but I respect them and the fact that they have a tough, tough job trying to execute their tasks.

all well and good... but, much like wiretapping, getting a warrant is easy... just fing respect rights... it's not onerous on the cops to do their jobs.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:Cap'n Cat's take?

Read about this today online. I'm a deep, dark, don't-tread-on-me borderline Libertarian when it comes to cops and gov't "interference", but I don't find this to be unnecessarily intrusive. I don't like the police, but I respect them and the fact that they have a tough, tough job trying to execute their tasks.

all well and good... but, much like wiretapping, getting a warrant is easy... just fing respect rights... it's not onerous on the cops to do their jobs.

OK. I look at it, as well, as nothing more than some societal institution utilizing available technology, as a major corporation would to better facilitate production.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:
What it tells me is that they are starving for approval.

The Cap'n likes me, he really really likes me...

Hey, it's our own little cult within a cult. If I were some of you fuckers, I'd be workin' my ass off trying to get into what is, in reality,

CS.com MENSA!

I guess that makes you Jim Jones. You got everyone to drink the kool aid, but you forgot to put the cyanide in.

Cap'n Cat wrote:Cap'n Cat's take?

Read about this today online. I'm a deep, dark, don't-tread-on-me borderline Libertarian when it comes to cops and gov't "interference", but I don't find this to be unnecessarily intrusive. I don't like the police, but I respect them and the fact that they have a tough, tough job trying to execute their tasks.

i didn't expect any less. I just don't want to hear any shit from you when you wake up one morning and the constitution is upon the burning pile.

Ths seems very troublesome. On the other hand, what is to stop the police from following you day to day anyway. They don't need a warrant to park in front of your house and follow you to work. All this does is let them do it electronically. I don't like the fact that they are physically attaching something to your vehicle. I'm curious to see how the courts ultimately rule on this.

BlueHen86 wrote:Ths seems very troublesome. On the other hand, what is to stop the police from following you day to day anyway. They don't need a warrant to park in front of your house and follow you to work. All this does is let them do it electronically. I don't like the fact that they are physically attaching something to your vehicle. I'm curious to see how the courts ultimately rule on this.

Where does it stop? Having the govt attach a GPS thing to your cars computer and if you go faster than the posted speed limit on a given roadway you get a ticket in the mail? I am sure the Cap'n is ok with that.

grizzaholic wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:Ths seems very troublesome. On the other hand, what is to stop the police from following you day to day anyway. They don't need a warrant to park in front of your house and follow you to work. All this does is let them do it electronically. I don't like the fact that they are physically attaching something to your vehicle. I'm curious to see how the courts ultimately rule on this.

Where does it stop? Having the govt attach a GPS thing to your cars computer and if you go faster than the posted speed limit on a given roadway you get a ticket in the mail? I am sure the Cap'n is ok with that.

Like some rental car companies already do?

I actually agree with the Grizza on this...

BlueHen86 wrote:Ths seems very troublesome. On the other hand, what is to stop the police from following you day to day anyway. They don't need a warrant to park in front of your house and follow you to work. All this does is let them do it electronically. I don't like the fact that they are physically attaching something to your vehicle. I'm curious to see how the courts ultimately rule on this.

the difference is substantial - the cops are going spend resources to stake out a person like that... they have a reason to do so... and while gps could be used that way... the margin for abuse is huge. the simple act of getting a warrant, getting a judge to deem it a credible use of what amounts to a phone tap seems a reasonable burden to place on law enforcement.

dbackjon wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
Where does it stop? Having the govt attach a GPS thing to your cars computer and if you go faster than the posted speed limit on a given roadway you get a ticket in the mail? I am sure the Cap'n is ok with that.

Like some rental car companies already do?

I actually agree with the Grizza on this...

Stop the presses. Dback agrees on ONE topic with Grizza, besides ECB. Didn't think we would ever agree on something ever again.

grizzaholic wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:Ths seems very troublesome. On the other hand, what is to stop the police from following you day to day anyway. They don't need a warrant to park in front of your house and follow you to work. All this does is let them do it electronically. I don't like the fact that they are physically attaching something to your vehicle. I'm curious to see how the courts ultimately rule on this.

Where does it stop? Having the govt attach a GPS thing to your cars computer and if you go faster than the posted speed limit on a given roadway you get a ticket in the mail? I am sure the Cap'n is ok with that.

That is a good question. I hope it never happens, I'd love to hear the constitutional argument against it.

On a side note: I'm waiting for the police to start using EZ-Pass to give tickets. EZ-pass knows when I get on and off the PA Turnpike, if I traveled 100 miles in 1 hour EZ-pass could know that too.

BlueHen86 wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
Where does it stop? Having the govt attach a GPS thing to your cars computer and if you go faster than the posted speed limit on a given roadway you get a ticket in the mail? I am sure the Cap'n is ok with that.

That is a good question. I hope it never happens, I'd love to hear the constitutional argument against it.

On a side note: I'm waiting for the police to start using EZ-Pass to give tickets. EZ-pass knows when I get on and off the PA Turnpike, if I traveled 100 miles in 1 hour EZ-pass could know that too.

Sad thing that it is, is that the govt/cops will do anything, and I mean ANYTHING, to get a few more dollars from us regular folk all the while saying that they wished there were no speeders, no vandalism, no parking violations, no tickets what-so-ever.

dbackjon wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
Where does it stop? Having the govt attach a GPS thing to your cars computer and if you go faster than the posted speed limit on a given roadway you get a ticket in the mail? I am sure the Cap'n is ok with that.

Like some rental car companies already do?

I actually agree with the Grizza on this...

i half expected to hear about it (or get a fee assesed) when i rented a pontiac solstace in november, cranked it up to 120 somewhere between blythe and phoenix

grizzaholic wrote:

dbackjon wrote:
Like some rental car companies already do?

I actually agree with the Grizza on this...

Stop the presses. Dback agrees on ONE topic with Grizza, besides ECB. Didn't think we would ever agree on something ever again.

We agree that Cleets is a pussy, and Ursus secretly wants to be a drag queen.

BlueHen86 wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
Where does it stop? Having the govt attach a GPS thing to your cars computer and if you go faster than the posted speed limit on a given roadway you get a ticket in the mail? I am sure the Cap'n is ok with that.

On a side note: I'm waiting for the police to start using EZ-Pass to give tickets. EZ-pass knows when I get on and off the PA Turnpike, if I traveled 100 miles in 1 hour EZ-pass could know that too.

Oklahoma already does that on their turnpike...