Obamas actions show Bush was correct on terrorists

[SeattleGriz]

Well. Seems as if the wheels are falling off the Obama wagon in regards to "cleaning up" that unilateralist cowboy George Bush's policies on terrorism.

By going against his numerous campaign promises, Obama has shown two things:

1) He has no idea what his stance on terror is. He is making it up as he goes.
2) By agreeing with these items below, Obama has shown he believes Bush policies to be the correct ones.

Things Obama said he was going to "fix", but has since backtracked:

1)Wiretapping - Doesn't Obama know how that infringes upon our freedoms?
2)Backing away from closing Gitmo. Doesn't he know the atrocities committed there? That is understandable, because if Pelosi didn't know, why should Obama?
3)Rendition. Uh oh. Seems AG Holder is guilty of this form of torture when he worked for Clinton, but Obama signed off on it anyway.
4)Weighing indefinite detention. Where are the rights of these poor prisoners?
5)No release of photos that the military self reported.
6)No prosecution of Bush lawyers.

Obama is in way over his head on terror.

[Cap'n Cat]

I disagree with all of this, Seattle, because like me, you're no expert in anything that Obama does or Bush did.



However, I do like the way your presented your own thoughts here, not feeling the need to incessantly link bullshit to back it up like Tman. Seriously, I appreciate a guy with courage of his convictions who can stand on what he says. You know, now that I am thinking about it, AZGrizFan does the same thing. He's not a coward, either, about putting his ideas out there.

Tman, take note.

[Ibanez]

I disagree with all of this, Seattle, because like me, you're no expert in anything that Obama does or Bush did.



However, I do like the way your presented your own thoughts here, not feeling the need to incessantly link bullshit to back it up like Tman. Seriously, I appreciate a guy with courage of his convictions who can stand on what he says. You know, now that I am thinking about it, AZGrizFan does the same thing. He's not a coward, either, about putting his ideas out there.

Tman, take note.

You're getting soft in your old age.

[Wedgebuster]

Ok, now that Obama is the third coming of Bush, are we going to invade Turkey, or Greece?

[Grizalltheway]

Ok, now that Obama is the third coming of Bush, are we going to invade Turkey, or Greece?

Cyprus

[Cap'n Cat]

Hey, it's true. Seattle is obviously paraphrasing a few of the stories I, too, read this morning about it. But, he synthesized it and presented it wonderfully. Simply. Just the right amount of snide to make it somewhat humorous.

Compare that with Tman's Magna Carta prevarications on Fox News' exclusive regarding Michelle Obama's bunions, complete with 11 links to bunion sites and altogether, somehow, making Michelle Obama look bad in the end.

Bad Conk. BAD!

[SeattleGriz]

I disagree with all of this, Seattle, because like me, you're no expert in anything that Obama does or Bush did.



However, I do like the way your presented your own thoughts here, not feeling the need to incessantly link bullshit to back it up like Tman. Seriously, I appreciate a guy with courage of his convictions who can stand on what he says. You know, now that I am thinking about it, AZGrizFan does the same thing. He's not a coward, either, about putting his ideas out there.

Tman, take note.

You're getting soft in your old age.

Yeah. That was a complete softball I threw out there. I almost said Palin had more coherent stance than Obama. Thanks for taking it easy on me Capn.

[SeattleGriz]

Ok, now that Obama is the third coming of Bush, are we going to invade Turkey, or Greece?

I would watch Fox news for that information, as if you watched it during the run up to the Iraq War, you would have been completely informed as to why we went there.

Case in point. On Fox news, Bob Levaqua (Luh-vack-wah), former special forces, stated we were going into Iraq, not because Saddam posed a nuclear threat, but that he was more than willing to give his gas (dead kurds) to whomever was willing to us it on the US. He also stated it was so we could bookend Iran. Afghanistan on one side and Iraq on the other.

Then, I also distinctly remember Cheney, and even Rumsfeld stating that we could expect to be there at least 8-10 years.

I'm convinced the war is right where we wanted it, as evidenced by Obama's agreeance to all that was placed before him. Hell, he isn't even using that lame ass excuse he "inherited" a mess on the military aspect. He's just folding over because he doesn't know what to do. Community organizing will do that to your military acumen.

[dbackjon]

BS Dana

Iraq was, and always will be a mistake. Obama is staying because of the utter incompetance the Bush Admin carried out the war. 8-10 years? My ass, Bush, et all was predicting 1 or 2 years.

Nice revisionist history.

[SeattleGriz]

BS Dana

Iraq was, and always will be a mistake. Obama is staying because of the utter incompetance the Bush Admin carried out the war. 8-10 years? My ass, Bush, et all was predicting 1 or 2 years.

Nice revisionist history.

Its been so long I have forgotten how many UN resolutions Saddam had against him. It was like that scene in Team America when Hans Blix tells Kim Jong Il that if he doesn't comply, the UN will write another report. Ooohhhh.

Lets also not forget that Saddam played a dangerous game and got called on it and lost big.

Not to mention all the dead Iraqis that Saddam slaughtered and all the top shelf Dems (Clintons, Kerry, Kennedy, Gore, Biden, Levin, etc.) that said Saddam had WMD's.

Sorry if through all this, I felt that Bob's analysis of why we went into Iraq made the most sense to me. We really wanted Iran, but were willing to take out a piece of crap instead to sit next to Iran.

Obama has NO plan, that is why he is going along with Bush, or he has realized, now that he actually gets to attend intelligence meetings that Bush's policies weren't so bad. Why did Obama say he would get troops out of Iraq by the end of his first term, only to take that back after he had a briefing with GW?

[Cap'n Cat]

BS Dana

Iraq was, and always will be a mistake. Obama is staying because of the utter incompetance the Bush Admin carried out the war. 8-10 years? My ass, Bush, et all was predicting 1 or 2 years.

Nice revisionist history.

Its been so long I have forgotten how many UN resolutions Saddam had against him. It was like that scene in Team America when Hans Blix tells Kim Jong Il that if he doesn't comply, the UN will write another report. Ooohhhh.

Lets also not forget that Saddam played a dangerous game and got called on it and lost big.

Not to mention all the dead Iraqis that Saddam slaughtered and all the top shelf Dems (Clintons, Kerry, Kennedy, Gore, Biden, Levin, etc.) that said Saddam had WMD's.

Sorry if through all this, I felt that Bob's analysis of why we went into Iraq made the most sense to me. We really wanted Iran, but were willing to take out a piece of crap instead to sit next to Iran.

Obama has NO plan, that is why he is going along with Bush, or he has realized, now that he actually gets to attend intelligence meetings that Bush's policies weren't so bad. Why did Obama say he would get troops out of Iraq by the end of his first term, only to take that back after he had a briefing with GW?

Hey, Seattle. It's early, let things develop. You ain't in the fucker's inner circle, you don't know any of this.

Don't be one of "them", the Crystal Ball Conks.


"I see niqqers! Niqqers everywhere! Looking for
my daughters and my money!!!"

[travelinman67]

I disagree with all of this, Seattle, because like me, you're no expert in anything that Obama does or Bush did.

You're wrong, Tender Vittle breath! Seattle Griz and myself READ AND STUDY what goes on in the world. You might try it sometime.

However, I do like the way your presented your own thoughts here, not feeling the need to incessantly link bullshit to back it up like Tman. Seriously, I appreciate a guy with courage of his convictions who can stand on what he says. You know, now that I am thinking about it, AZGrizFan does the same thing. He's not a coward, either, about putting his ideas out there.

Tman, take note.

Here's an idea for ya' Cap...

[Cap'n Cat]

Wow, a Tman post with no links!!!!!!!!

Fuck!

[travelinman67]

BS Dana

Iraq was, and always will be a mistake. Obama is staying because of the utter incompetance the Bush Admin carried out the war. 8-10 years? My ass, Bush, et all was predicting 1 or 2 years.

Nice revisionist history.

And so far, Barack and Hillary have done and excellent job escalating the N.Korea and Iran nuclear/missile crisis by their use of empty threats.

Invitation
"...there will be consequences..."
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Result
"...5-4-3-2-1-we have launch..."
[youtube][/youtube]

Invitation
"...they must unclench their fist..."
[youtube][/youtube]

Result
"...it won't take us more than 11 days to wipe Israel off the map..."
[youtube][/youtube]

Hmmm...

...who was it who insightfully declared N.Korea and Iran part of the "axis of evil"...

[SeattleGriz]

Hey, Seattle. It's early, let things develop. You ain't in the ****'s inner circle, you don't know any of this.

Don't be one of "them", the Crystal Ball Conks

Well then, I must be doing something wrong, because I thought that's the way criticism of presidents past and present worked here at CS.COM. We still have many a Donk who claim Bush orchestrated catastrophic blunders in his handling of the war. What is it they know and how are they privy to such information?

[AZGrizFan]

I disagree with all of this, Seattle, because like me, you're no expert in anything that Obama does or Bush did.

Really? You conks have been passing yourself off as experts for 8 years....opinions are like assholes, Cappy.

[BlueHen86]

Ok, now that Obama is the third coming of Bush, are we going to invade Turkey, or Greece?

If one of them attacks us, we'll invade the other.

[BlueHen86]

Ok, now that Obama is the third coming of Bush, are we going to invade Turkey, or Greece?

I would watch Fox news for that information, as if you watched it during the run up to the Iraq War, you would have been completely informed as to why we went there.

Case in point. On Fox news, Bob Levaqua (Luh-vack-wah), former special forces, stated we were going into Iraq, not because Saddam posed a nuclear threat, but that he was more than willing to give his gas (dead kurds) to whomever was willing to us it on the US. He also stated it was so we could bookend Iran. Afghanistan on one side and Iraq on the other.

Then, I also distinctly remember Cheney, and even Rumsfeld stating that we could expect to be there at least 8-10 years.

I'm convinced the war is right where we wanted it, as evidenced by Obama's agreeance to all that was placed before him. Hell, he isn't even using that lame ass excuse he "inherited" a mess on the military aspect. He's just folding over because he doesn't know what to do. Community organizing will do that to your military acumen.

Bush also stated that our goal was to force Iraq to comply with the UN resolutions and that Saddam could stay in power if he did so.

Once we invaded the goal was to remove Saddam, but prior to the invasion Saddam supposedly had an out to prevent the invasion.

There were all sorts of statements made about Iraq prior to the invasion. There were multiple timetables for the length of the war andreasons why were invading; to name a couple of the topics covered. These statements often conflicted with one another. I think this was intentional because nobody was really sure about Iraq and the White House wanted to be able to obfuscate the issue if things didn't go as well as planned. That way, if things went poorly, the White House could say we told you so and find a pre-war statement to back their claim.

[BlueHen86]

I disagree with all of this, Seattle, because like me, you're no expert in anything that Obama does or Bush did.

Really? You conks have been passing yourself off as experts for 8 years....opinions are like assholes, Cappy.

Is there something you want to tell us?

[AZGrizFan]

Really? You conks have been passing yourself off as experts for 8 years....opinions are like assholes, Cappy.

Is there something you want to tell us?

No. My message is clear. Crystal.

[native]

...not feeling the need to incessantly link bullshit to back it up...

Never cared too much for homework, Cap?

How could we have guessed?!??

[Cap'n Cat]

I disagree with all of this, Seattle, because like me, you're no expert in anything that Obama does or Bush did.

Really? You conks have been passing yourself off as experts for 8 years....opinions are like assholes, Cappy.

Conks or donks, Z, which is it?



Anyway, if what you say is true, you're a 5'1", 120 lb asshole walking around out there.

[Appaholic]

Shows me Obama, unlike Bush, is willing to be a realist when confronted with all the facts and make an informed opinion instead of "staying the course" in the face of new revelations that your original course of action may not be prudent....at least he has the political courage to piss of his base.....

[Cap'n Cat]

Shows me Obama, unlike Bush, is willing to be a realist when confronted with all the facts and make an informed opinion instead of "staying the course" in the face of new revelations that your original course of action may not be prudent....at least he has the political courage to piss of his base.....

.......and not have Rove, Cheney and Henry Kissinger whispering in your ear all fucking day....

[wideright82]

Shows me Obama, unlike Bush, is willing to be a realist when confronted with all the facts and make an informed opinion instead of "staying the course" in the face of new revelations that your original course of action may not be prudent....at least he has the political courage to piss of his base.....

That's like saying I thouhgt my way was right so I stayed the course. You went your way, made a left, found a map and decided my way was the right direction. Yet somehow, I'm still wrong.