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PARIS - President Nicolas Sarkozy lashed out Monday at the practice of wearing the Muslim burqa, insisting the full-body religious gown is a sign of the "debasement" of women and that it won't be welcome in France.

"In our country, we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity," Sarkozy said to extended applause in a speech at the Chateau of Versailles southwest of Paris.

"The burqa is not a religious sign, it's a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement — I want to say it solemnly," he said. "It will not be welcome on the territory of the French Republic."


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On the debasement thing, I personally believe he's right. On the right to express oneself, is he going too far....?

Seems, actually, something Conks would do if they got too much power here. For example, President Coulter signing an executive order banning the Star of David and her Homeland Security Advisor, Commissioner Limbaugh, enacting legislation to do body cavity searches on all entrants to the United States who have dark hair and brown skin hues. Then, Treasury Secretary Huckabee, instead of sending out tax refunds, mailing crucifixes to taxpayers.

And, though it's kind of culture-war PalinConky, is this something we do here?

classic french racism... even though Sarkozy isn't french...

I've said this before, but Europe (esp. western Euorpe) isn't nearly as color-blind and tolerant as many on my political side of the equation would like to imagine.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:classic french racism... even though Sarkozy isn't french...

I've said this before, but Europe (esp. western Euorpe) isn't nearly as color-blind and tolerant as many on my political side of the equation would like to imagine.

Perhaps, Fan, but they are more advanced than we.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:classic french racism... even though Sarkozy isn't french...

I've said this before, but Europe (esp. western Euorpe) isn't nearly as color-blind and tolerant as many on my political side of the equation would like to imagine.

Perhaps, Fan, but they are more advanced than we.

My new vision of Europeans due to the Cap'n's tidbits ( where do I put that damned apostrophe )

Cap'n Cat wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:classic french racism... even though Sarkozy isn't french...

I've said this before, but Europe (esp. western Euorpe) isn't nearly as color-blind and tolerant as many on my political side of the equation would like to imagine.

Perhaps, Fan, but they are more advanced than we.

pfft.

they have the positives and their negatives. i think they take a proper attitude toward work/life i love the french obsession with food and wine... even though it can be dogmatic and pretentious... it's uniquely french...

that said, their racism and condescending attitude to the rest of the world is nauseating at best.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:
Perhaps, Fan, but they are more advanced than we.

pfft.

they have the positives and their negatives. i think they take a proper attitude toward work/life i love the french obsession with food and wine... even though it can be dogmatic and pretentious... it's uniquely french...

that said, their racism and condescending attitude to the rest of the world is nauseating at best.

They have to right to be snooty after what they've been through for the last 5000 years, fvcking upstart newbie American punks.

Dude's got a booger.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
pfft.

they have the positives and their negatives. i think they take a proper attitude toward work/life i love the french obsession with food and wine... even though it can be dogmatic and pretentious... it's uniquely french...

that said, their racism and condescending attitude to the rest of the world is nauseating at best.

They have to right to be snooty after what they've been through for the last 5000 years, fvcking upstart newbie American punks.

lol

i'm of french descent - southern France to be exact (also german, english, scottish, polish, czech, and belgian... probably some other stuff too)

Cap'n Cat wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
pfft.

they have the positives and their negatives. i think they take a proper attitude toward work/life i love the french obsession with food and wine... even though it can be dogmatic and pretentious... it's uniquely french...

that said, their racism and condescending attitude to the rest of the world is nauseating at best.

They have to right to be snooty after what they've been through for the last 5000 years, fvcking upstart newbie American punks.

Thank God for the newbie Americans or they'd have been speaking German for nearly 70 yrs now.

ASUGTO wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:

They have to right to be snooty after what they've been through for the last 5000 years, fvcking upstart newbie American punks.

Thank God for the newbie Americans or they'd have been speaking German for nearly 70 yrs now.

and if it weren't for the French, we'd still be subjects of the crown... i'm gonna say we repaid them but it's a tragic mistake many americans make to forget what happened to deliver our nations freedom

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

ASUGTO wrote:
Thank God for the newbie Americans or they'd have been speaking German for nearly 70 yrs now.

and if it weren't for the French, we'd still be subjects of the crown... i'm gonna say we repaid them but it's a tragic mistake many americans make to forget what happened to deliver our nations freedom

You are correct sir - I just finished a book on Ben Franklin and his efforts as an ambassador to the French to secure funding for we upstarts.

I think Obama got it right in his Cairo speech:

That is why the U.S. government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it.

Likewise, it is important for Western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit - for instance, by dictating what clothes a Muslim woman should wear. We cannot disguise hostility towards any religion behind the pretence of liberalism.

The sixth issue that I want to address is women's rights.

I know there is debate about this issue. I reject the view of some in the West that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal, but I do believe that a woman who is denied an education is denied equality.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:
Perhaps, Fan, but they are more advanced than we.

pfft.

they have the positives and their negatives. i think they take a proper attitude toward work/life i love the french obsession with food and wine... even though it can be dogmatic and pretentious... it's uniquely french...

that said, their racism and condescending attitude to the rest of the world is nauseating at best.

When I was young I lived for a year at a construction site in southern Morocco, with five American families, a few Brit and Canadian families and about 200 French families. Never had any problems with the French at all, they were a blast and went way out of their way to help me with the language. Of course, we're talking about common folk, construction workers, not professionals or diplomatic types that likely are azsholes regardless of place of origin. Agree about their attitude toward life and work; we were very unfortunate that the Puritans had so much influence during our formative years.

houndawg wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
pfft.

they have the positives and their negatives. i think they take a proper attitude toward work/life i love the french obsession with food and wine... even though it can be dogmatic and pretentious... it's uniquely french...

that said, their racism and condescending attitude to the rest of the world is nauseating at best.

When I was young I lived for a year at a construction site in southern Morocco, with five American families, a few Brit and Canadian families and about 200 French families. Never had any problems with the French at all, they were a blast and went way out of their way to help me with the language. Of course, we're talking about common folk, construction workers, not professionals or diplomatic types that likely are azsholes regardless of place of origin. Agree about their attitude toward life and work; we were very unfortunate that the Puritans had so much influence during our formative years.

...and the Huguenots, and the Scots-Irish Presbyterians, and the Lutherans, and the Quakers, and the Roman Catholic Irish and ......

I'd say we were FORTUNATE that there was somewhere to flee to, given the "progressive" nature of Europe in the 17th-18th centuries.

CID1990 wrote:

houndawg wrote:
When I was young I lived for a year at a construction site in southern Morocco, with five American families, a few Brit and Canadian families and about 200 French families. Never had any problems with the French at all, they were a blast and went way out of their way to help me with the language. Of course, we're talking about common folk, construction workers, not professionals or diplomatic types that likely are azsholes regardless of place of origin. Agree about their attitude toward life and work; we were very unfortunate that the Puritans had so much influence during our formative years.

...and the Huguenots, and the Scots-Irish Presbyterians, and the Lutherans, and the Quakers, and the Roman Catholic Irish and ......

I'd say we were FORTUNATE that there was somewhere to flee to, given the "progressive" nature of Europe in the 17th-18th centuries.

I didn't say we were unfortunate that there was somewhere to flee to, I said it was unfortunate that a bunch of buzzkills like the Puritans got here early and accrued influence enough to worship as they wished and try to make everybody else do so, too.