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Gay marriage? Health Care? Nullification of laws?

I'm curious, and very serious, what if anything, should be left up to the states and why?

I have my opinions but will post them shortly. In short, I think Gay Marriage, Healt Care and the spending of federal funds should be dealt with at the states discretion.

Simple...

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...says it all...

Col Hogan wrote:Simple...

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...says it all...

Yeah, well the 10th Amendment was thrown out of the window by Il Douche Lincoln.

MarkCCU wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:Simple...



10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...says it all...

Yeah, well the 10th Amendment was thrown out of the window by Il Douche Lincoln.

...and kind of is through government pressuring states to follow certain standards in order to receive federal grants for roads, schools, etc. How dare they trample on former POTUS Mr. Madison's amendments

MarkCCU wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:Simple...



10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...says it all...

Yeah, well the 10th Amendment was thrown out of the window by Il Douche Lincoln.

Lincoln built upon a foundation laid by Jackson. Despite their flaws, both were intent on preserving our great nation.

Fvck the states. They need to fall in line underneath a strong central government led by a charismatic leader and Democrats only.

The Conks should go take over Liberia or Cote d' Ivoire and create their masturbatory capitalist dream state from scratch, if it's so fvcking important.


"Hey, N'goolie! Fvck, whud I tell ya, you dumb bitch, sell in volume to maximize profits and move inventory. Jesus Christ, you people don't LISTEN!!"

At the very least we should annihilate every form of federal control over education. The feds have f[*]cked up with everything they have done in education.

As little as possible should be left to the states.

Alexander Hamilton was right.

Pwns wrote:At the very least we should annihilate every form of federal control over education. The feds have f[*]cked up with everything they have done in education.

Yeah, because Mississippi has done such a great job with their education system. They'd have high school graduates who couldn't read if the Feds didn't have anything to do with it.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:As little as possible should be left to the states.

Alexander Hamilton was right.

I was going to make some witty remark about how Hamilton fucked up what Madison and Jefferson put together, so Jefferson had his VP take out the trash... and then I read this remark:

Burr suffered a debilitating bowel movement in 1834, which rendered him immobile.

YEEEEEEEEEESHHHHH! Time to start that high fiber and fruit diet I've been meaning to get on.

Grizalltheway wrote:

Pwns wrote:At the very least we should annihilate every form of federal control over education. The feds have f[*]cked up with everything they have done in education.

Yeah, because Mississippi has done such a great job with their education system. They'd have high school graduates who couldn't read if the Feds didn't have anything to do with it.

But the feds DO have something to do with it.

JMU DJ wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:As little as possible should be left to the states.

Alexander Hamilton was right.

I was going to make some witty remark about how Hamilton fucked up what Madison and Jefferson put together, so Jefferson had his VP take out the trash... and then I read this remark:

Burr suffered a debilitating bowel movement in 1834, which rendered him immobile.

YEEEEEEEEEESHHHHH! Time to start that high fiber and fruit diet I've been meaning to get on.

see... when Hamilton said Burr was "full of shit" he was right.

Hamilton was the man... knew where this country needed to go

JMU DJ wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:As little as possible should be left to the states.

Alexander Hamilton was right.

I was going to make some witty remark about how Hamilton fucked up what Madison and Jefferson put together, so Jefferson had his VP take out the trash... and then I read this remark:

Burr suffered a debilitating bowel movement in 1834, which rendered him immobile.

YEEEEEEEEEESHHHHH! Time to start that high fiber and fruit diet I've been meaning to get on.

Burr suffered a debilitating bowel movement in 1834, which rendered him immobile.

I wonder what that couldn't been.

I be droppin Hamilton's like Burr.

MarkCCU wrote:"You can call me Aaron Burr from the way I'm droppin' Hamiltons

FIFY... and thanks for handling my report

JMU DJ wrote:

MarkCCU wrote:"You can call me Aaron Burr from the way I'm droppin' Hamiltons

FIFY... and thanks for handling my report

I'm watching you, Jew.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

JMU DJ wrote:

I was going to make some witty remark about how Hamilton **** up what Madison and Jefferson put together, so Jefferson had his VP take out the trash... and then I read this remark:


YEEEEEEEEEESHHHHH! Time to start that high fiber and fruit diet I've been meaning to get on.

see... when Hamilton said Burr was "full of ****" he was right.

Hamilton was the man... knew where this country needed to go

I, respectfully (and wholeheartedly), disagree.

Edit: Double Post.

Col Hogan wrote:Simple...

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...says it all...

Bingo. Half of what the Feds do know should be left up to the states (and much of it is duplicated anyway). You could get rid of a bunch of fed departments in our grossly overbloated fed bureacracy, starting with:
-Education: a local and state matter
-HUD: a local and state matter. Look what that has brought us- the collassal disasters known as Fannie and Freddie
-Labor (ex every state should be able to set their own minimum wage).
-Agriculture: Ag inspectors have already been put under Homeland, and National Forests Could be put under Interior, and most if not all states have their own depts of agriculture.

As far as gay marriage, let the states decide. States' rights issue. I don't have a problem with a state establishing it through their elected reps, but I do have a problem with activist judges deciding it by judicial fiat.

Same with abortion. Fed govt doesn't have any business telling a woman she can or can't have an abortion. Why I'm against Roe v Wade, and why a person could be pro abortion/choice and still be against Roe v Wade. States' rights issue.

BDKJMU wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:Simple...



10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...says it all...

Bingo. Half of what the Feds do know should be left up to the states (and much of it is duplicated anyway). You could get rid of a bunch of fed departments in our grossly overbloated fed bureacracy, starting with:
-Education: a local and state matter
-HUD: a local and state matter. Look what that has brought us- the collassal disasters known as Fannie and Freddie
-Labor (ex every state should be able to set their own minimum wage).
-Agriculture: Ag inspectors have already been put under Homeland, and National Forests Could be put under Interior, and most if not all states have their own depts of agriculture.

As far as gay marriage, let the states decide. States' rights issue. I don't have a problem with a state establishing it through their elected reps, but I do have a problem with activist judges deciding it by judicial fiat.

Same with abortion. Fed govt doesn't have any business telling a woman she can or can't have an abortion. Why I'm against Roe v Wade, and why a person could be pro abortion/choice and still be against Roe v Wade. States' rights issue.

Hmmm. That is interesting....


I'll have to respond later but very interesting.

BDKJMU wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:Simple...



10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...says it all...

Bingo. Half of what the Feds do know should be left up to the states (and much of it is duplicated anyway). You could get rid of a bunch of fed departments in our grossly overbloated fed bureacracy, starting with:
-Education: a local and state matter
-HUD: a local and state matter. Look what that has brought us- the collassal disasters known as Fannie and Freddie
-Labor (ex every state should be able to set their own minimum wage).
-Agriculture: Ag inspectors have already been put under Homeland, and National Forests Could be put under Interior, and most if not all states have their own depts of agriculture.

As far as gay marriage, let the states decide. States' rights issue. I don't have a problem with a state establishing it through their elected reps, but I do have a problem with activist judges deciding it by judicial fiat.

Same with abortion. Fed govt doesn't have any business telling a woman she can or can't have an abortion. Why I'm against Roe v Wade, and why a person could be pro abortion/choice and still be against Roe v Wade. States' rights issue.

Sorry, don't know you, but this all crap and would lead to further problems. Can't have a right in one state and not in another, as with gay marriage. Even your abortion thing fails the test.

Too simplistic for a complicated world.

BDKJMU wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:Simple...



10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...says it all...

Bingo. Half of what the Feds do know should be left up to the states (and much of it is duplicated anyway). You could get rid of a bunch of fed departments in our grossly overbloated fed bureacracy, starting with:
-Education: a local and state matter
-HUD: a local and state matter. Look what that has brought us- the collassal disasters known as Fannie and Freddie
-Labor (ex every state should be able to set their own minimum wage).
-Agriculture: Ag inspectors have already been put under Homeland, and National Forests Could be put under Interior, and most if not all states have their own depts of agriculture.

As far as gay marriage, let the states decide. States' rights issue. I don't have a problem with a state establishing it through their elected reps, but I do have a problem with activist judges deciding it by judicial fiat.

Same with abortion. Fed govt doesn't have any business telling a woman she can or can't have an abortion. Why I'm against Roe v Wade, and why a person could be pro abortion/choice and still be against Roe v Wade. States' rights issue.

problematic however... because the 10th amendment isn't the final word on it... the 14th amendment changes many things, by extending federally ensured rights to the states.

banning gay marriage in alabama, while it is legal in maine, inherently creates problems of equality.

as for the more subjective -

education - without federal standards, or the application of equal rights laws... blacks in Mississippi would possibly still be in "separate but equal" schools...

labor - a federal minimum wage does some to inhibit states "rushing to the bottom" to create third world economies in their states

hud - federal housing programs (and freddie and fannie) were a HUGE part of putting millions of Americans in their own homes... a step that was HUGE for the economy and the stability of communities (yes, there were problems during this decade... Bush's "ownership society" initiative seems to be at the root of it) all in all the initiatives are good for the country and economy.

agriculture - federal food safety and agriculture guidelines ensure that there is a minimum standard ensured to all citizens regardless of where they live.

'Zackly, TT.

Reppenheimers.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:
Bingo. Half of what the Feds do know should be left up to the states (and much of it is duplicated anyway). You could get rid of a bunch of fed departments in our grossly overbloated fed bureacracy, starting with:
-Education: a local and state matter
-HUD: a local and state matter. Look what that has brought us- the collassal disasters known as Fannie and Freddie
-Labor (ex every state should be able to set their own minimum wage).
-Agriculture: Ag inspectors have already been put under Homeland, and National Forests Could be put under Interior, and most if not all states have their own depts of agriculture.

As far as gay marriage, let the states decide. States' rights issue. I don't have a problem with a state establishing it through their elected reps, but I do have a problem with activist judges deciding it by judicial fiat.

Same with abortion. Fed govt doesn't have any business telling a woman she can or can't have an abortion. Why I'm against Roe v Wade, and why a person could be pro abortion/choice and still be against Roe v Wade. States' rights issue.

Sorry, don't know you, but this all crap and would lead to further problems. Can't have a right in one state and not in another, as with gay marriage. Even your abortion thing fails the test.

Too simplistic for a complicated world.

Of course you can, marriage is not an inalienable right--gay or straight.

ASUMountaineer wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:

Sorry, don't know you, but this all crap and would lead to further problems. Can't have a right in one state and not in another, as with gay marriage. Even your abortion thing fails the test.

Too simplistic for a complicated world.

Of course you can, marriage is not an inalienable right--gay or straight.

TBD, so blow me, Mort.